Curran Believes Jones is 'Making an Enemy' Out of Belichick

[Ian]

Like Drew Bledsoe?

Brady was a nobody and took his job for good.

We've rehashed this one. Drew was a nearly 10-year veteran coming off a 5-11 season and had played poorly the first two games of the season and they were 0-2. Belichick, having also been a guy who knew how defend him before he became the coach, by then knew what he had and Drew, as much as I enjoyed him as a player, was who he was.

Mac was coming off a rookie season where he went 10-7, outperformed his rookie peers, and took the team to the playoffs. He was barely into his second season in a completely different offense when he got hurt. It's not - and still isn't - a fair comparison. If Mac went 5-12 last year and was still struggling three games into this year, maybe they would have stayed with Zappe. But that's not what happened.

 

[upstater1]

not sure if mac answered the question. he is just being passionate and wants to win.

Isn't Mac saying here that he wasn't yelling about the playcalling or whatever, but that he was frustrated by maybe the delay in getting calls in, which prevents him from making sure people are lied up right?

That's what I got from it

 

[Rob0729]

Like Drew Bledsoe?

Brady was a nobody and took his job for good.

Bledsoe missed most of the season due to injury. Not three weeks like Mac Jones. By the time he was healthy enough to play, the Patriots were steaming towards a division win and a first round bye. Bledsoe was injured on September 23rd and wasn't even cleared to practice until November 13. He would have probably been eased back into playing because of the nature of the injury even if they were going to give him back the starting job. Seriously, Bledsoe could have died from that injury if he didn't go to the hospital right away.

And maybe if Zappe didn't crap the bed in the second half vs. the Bears, he might have retained the starting job. But he did.

 

[Ian]

And maybe if Zappe didn't crap the bed in the second half vs. the Bears, he might have retained the starting job. But he did.

This part. Honestly, that was probably the real reason. If they had gone on to a blowout win, especially since Zappe came in and initially turned things around, it probably would have been over. I said that night in the game thread I thought we were witnessing history. But he didn't keep running it up, and they lost, so that didn't come to pass.

 

[venecol]

If you're making a direct line between sacks and pressure, you're doing it wrong. And that QB down in Tampa is the most obvious example of that.

I'm not, just too lazy to look up the pressure %.

 

[venecol]

This part. Honestly, that was probably the real reason. If they had gone on to a blowout win, especially since Zappe came in and initially turned things around, it probably would have been over. I said that night in the game thread I thought we were witnessing history. But he didn't keep running it up, and they lost, so that didn't come to pass.

That's because Bill set both QBs for failure:

1. Mac because he wasn't ready and had to be benched;
2. Zappe because he wasn't involved in the lead up to the game to afford him the benefit of practices.

It was an all around colossal bad decision by Bill.

 

[venecol]

If you're making a direct line between sacks and pressure, you're doing it wrong. And that QB down in Tampa is the most obvious example of that.

To your point.

Burrow:

TD%: 6.1
INT%: 2.0
Sack%: 6.7
Rating: 102.5

Mac:

TD%: 2.1
INT%: 2.4
Sack%: 7.2
Rating: 82.6

Mac's pressure rate is slightly higher than Burrow's, yet the results are much different.

 

[JarOfMayo51]

Rebuilds take time. They aren't 2 year affairs. The 49'ers committed to a hard rebuild after Harbaugh. They had 4 years post him where they never won more than 6 games and never made the playoffs (something that you can't say about our last 3 years). Then they had 3 out of 4 years where they were double digit win playoff teams

yea at the rate we're going we'll be the impatient, fickle fanbase that demands a new coach/QB every other year when we don't see playoffs and superbowls

thats my biggest fear is us going into a perpetual cycle of mediocrity

 

[Love The Drake]

I’m

yea at the rate we're going we'll be the impatient, fickle fanbase that demands a new coach/QB every other year when we don't see playoffs and superbowls

thats my biggest fear is us going into a perpetual cycle of mediocrity

Understandable,
What would you call the last 3 seasons?
If Kraft tells BB he wants himself or others in or outside the organization to hire the assistants?

If Bill refuses, what happens here?

 

[Deus Irae]

To your point.

Burrow:

TD%: 6.1
INT%: 2.0
Sack%: 6.7
Rating: 102.5

Mac:

TD%: 2.1
INT%: 2.4
Sack%: 7.2
Rating: 82.6

Mac's pressure rate is slightly higher than Burrow's, yet the results are much different.

Mac has the same problem that a lot of QBs have had this year, again including the guy in Tampa. It's not just the line. It's the line + everything else. Brady is getting the ball out as fast as anyone, in order to minimize the problems of the line. That's not translating to success, though, because the running game has failed, the WRs don't get open fast enough, and there are not enough players who are explosive post-catch on that offense.

And we (generic "we", not specific to you and I) can contrast all of this with Tua, who was being discussed as a bust last year, and is now touting a 107.8 passer rating, a 24/5 TD/Int ratio, and an increase of more than 65 passing yards per game.

 

[venecol]

yea at the rate we're going we'll be the impatient, fickle fanbase that demands a new coach/QB every other year when we don't see playoffs and superbowls

thats my biggest fear is us going into a perpetual cycle of mediocrity

We're already there. Imo, we'll continue to be there until there's wholesale changes. Top down changes. We've wasted 3 seasons trying to perform cpr on a DOA dynasty. Dump the Patriot Way, it's dead.

This franchise needs to go in a different direction than trying to rekindle the glory days of a now 70+ yo great coach. Hire a new GM w/ vision & a good record of identifying young talent (this can be in-house if suitable). Find a young (39-49 yo) offensive minded coach that's shown leadership qualities as an OC. Keep whatever defensive staff is suitable to maintain the Pats history of great defenses. Blow up the roster (keep the young guys that showed promise). Jetison all the older dynasty players. Go young, young, young & sprinkle a few elite vets to guide them (Judon can stay). Idc if this results in a 5-12 season at first. Give this team 4 years to make it happen.

 

[Triumph]

And now, Vince Wilfork is calling out Mac Jones for being a baby.

 

[JarOfMayo51]

I’m

Understandable,
What would you call the last 3 seasons?
If Kraft tells BB he wants himself or others in or outside the organization to hire the assistants?

If Bill refuses, what happens here?

2020 was a transition year and definition of medocrity
2021 we had a very promising year with a rookie QB, made the playoffs and got beat by a better team that has an elite QB
2022 we got a new OC/OL coach and the entire offense has regressed into a dumpster fire, and we're currently the definition of mediocrity at 7-7

Something has to give.. Patricia cannot be then OC of this team going forward, the players aren't buying in to his program and its a huge problem. Mac is another concern, he had a super promising rookie year and now in 2022 his development has been carpet bombed. I hope they didn't ruin him, but he's definitely now a concern in terms of his development and what we have on offense.

If Bill refuses to do anything the Kraft's want, I'd imagine they would need to start looking in a different direction. The QB competition in the offseason should be intense, and I wouldn't be opposed to them going out and drafting or bringing in a FA to add more competition

Things are relatively bad for us right now compared to the dynasty years, but the team is setup with cap space and draft picks to right the ship... its just a matter of the top brass making the right choices. If they go on another spending spree and bring in duds like Agholor and Jonnu Smith, then we'll be a doormat team for quite a few years while we recover from that and at that point you need to blow the whole thing up and bring in new blood, new minds and fresh ideas

 

[Deus Irae]

2020 was a transition year and definition of medocrity
2021 we had a very promising year with a rookie QB, made the playoffs and got beat by a better team that has an elite QB
2022 we got a new OC/OL coach and the entire offense has regressed into a dumpster fire, and we're currently the definition of mediocrity at 7-7

2021 was fool's gold.

 

[JarOfMayo51]

We're already there. Imo, we'll continue to be there until there's wholesale changes. Top down changes. We've wasted 3 seasons trying to perform cpr on a DOA dynasty. Dump the Patriot Way, it's dead.

This franchise needs to go in a different direction than trying to rekindle the glory days of a now 70+ yo great coach. Hire a new GM w/ vision & a good record of identifying young talent (this can be in-house if suitable). Find a young (39-49 yo) offensive minded coach that's shown leadership qualities as an OC. Keep whatever defensive staff is suitable to maintain the Pats history of great defenses. Blow up the roster (keep the young guys that showed promise). Jetison all the older dynasty players. Go young, young, young & sprinkle a few elite vets to guide them (Judon can stay). Idc if this results in a 5-12 season at first. Give this team 4 years to make it happen.

you're not wrong

I think this will be the defining offseason... Kraft likely lets Bill make one last big splash and attempt to fix this, but I can't imagine he lets him run it back with Patricia at OC. If next season goes anything like this one did, then I agree its time to hit the nuke button and just reset the entire football program at that point

 

[JarOfMayo51]

2021 was fool's gold.

yea possibly, which is really unfortunate... felt so good about this team coming into the 2022 offseason, and now have quite a few doubts creeping in


Maybe they go on a run all the way to SB and we all look back at this and laugh............ maybe?

 

[Deus Irae]

yea possibly, which is really unfortunate... felt so good about this team coming into the 2022 offseason, and now have quite a few doubts creeping in


Maybe they go on a run all the way to SB and we all look back at this and laugh............ maybe?

With God, all things are possible. But I don't think he's going to be suiting up for the Patriots this season.




Patriots victories, 2022:

Steelers (Trubisky)
Lions (Goff)
Browns (Brissett)
Jets (Wilson)
Colts (Ehlinger)
Jets (Wilson)
Cardinals (McCoy)



Patriots victories, 2021:

Jets (Wilson)
Texans (Mills)
Jets (Wilson)
Chargers (Herbert)
Panthers (Darnold)
Browns (Mayfield)
Falcons (Ryan)
Titans (Tannehill, no Henry or starting WRs)
Bills (Monsoon)
Jaguars (Lawrence)



As we can see: in the past two seasons, they've only beaten one good team/good QB combo that wasn't beaten all to hell in any kind of decent playing conditions, and that's the Chargers, who are nothing more than good. So someone had best start really trying to convince God to either sign a contract or do the Patriots all kinds of solids with regards to the weather.

 

[captain stone]

Dump Bill, keep Mac Jones

I'd prefer to dump All of them.

But unless Bill flat-out Refuses to re-ass-ign Phatt Matt & Judge Joey, then I think they all return next season.

The season after that? I think that's when Jonathan decides to blow it all up.

 

[captain stone]

Mac shooting his way out of town.

Tampa will need a new QB.

Arians might believe that Trask is a better prospect...

 

[captain stone]

They handed it off and crossed their fingers maybe he could break into the second-level and maybe gain a block like he's done previously. It unfortunately didn't happen and obviously, it didn't end well.

Supposedly what they were also hoping for was a Personal Foul penalty somewhere during Rham's run against LV that would've put them in FG range... Given the current & past history regarding being penalized a lot by that particular opponent, not a completely unreasonable take...

Still, every other team in the league it seems just attempt the Hail Mary anyway, even from 55 yards away... So what does that say about our own QB?