Curran Believes Jones is 'Making an Enemy' Out of Belichick

[Love The Drake]

We can sit here and says the OC sucks but the Oc isn’t making Mac miss wide open targets, or not go to his second or even third read the instances where he has had time.
The OC isn’t telling Mac to forget his mechanics and throw like he never played any organized football and the OC isn’t making Mac eat sacks vs throwing the ball away.

I said it before whether is bothering Mac is it’s mental and emotional less than it is physical.
My honest belief is this.

Mac- doesn’t like Patricia’s play calling or trust him has a rough start to the season gets hurt.

Zappe- fills in plays well enough to be a concern to Mac Mac reads the papers sees the fan columns see people wanting Zappe In.

Max goes Oh God I can’t ride the Bench again like I did in Alabama this is my team and now he’s constantly thinking about one int here and I could be pulled so he would rather have a negative play or a play for short yardage than a possible INT.
Doesn’t want to fight for yards on runs cause he doesn’t want an injury to take his dream from him.
He is so stressed and in his own head that he makes sure when he makes mistakes he shows he is upset at Matt cause he sees it as one of them must go.
And if the media sees how upset I am about the call they will overlook I didn’t see the open guy or I completely threw off target.

Sprinkle in that Mac doesn’t trust the plays the line or that his coaches have his best interests in mind and it’s a recipe for a offensive disaster.

Take the rosey glasses off any other team that finishes bottom 3 in passing and red zone what happens the next season.

The play caller, the QB, the head coach one or more than one won’t be back.
So let’s say Bill is safe, that leads Matt and or Mac both being gone.
Bill has already said that he won’t change the play caller this late in the season.
If Patricia keeps calling plays and Zappe plays the last or part of the last few games and the offense is in sync and scores points let’s say with top half of the league.
That could save Patricia’s Job.
It will be interesting as heck to see what Rob and Bill does at the end of the season and I would love to be a fly on the wall in that room during end of season evaluation.

This free agency Bill better not be riding on a train sleeping on Linda or fishing he better be at a players house playing a radio over his head with flowers and giant bag of cash.

 

[PatsfanTN]

So what if he is? He’s in a lose lose position here with the two dorito dinks calling the offense and a horrible o line. This Team is a mess and it all has BB to thank for it.
The Head Coach AND the GM.

 

[Taxed in Maine]

Bill made some mistakes your saying that justifies Mac making him an enemy. I get it everyone's mad at Bill for the Offensive Staff but the question is what now? I for one certainly don't want to see a war go down.

"Bill made some mistakes" is the biggest understatement on the forum.

 

[Deus Irae]

Sure, I get it, he's still a rookie. (Jules didn't want to hear the rookie excuse after his 3rd gm).

He had a good game against a Henry-less Titans. He had several good games against several other teams. Hell, the Pats were #1 seed (9-4) after the windstorm game. So, it's not like he wasn't well versed in Josh's system. Then the Colts say: we're going to force Mac to beat us. Then the Bills say: we're going to force Mac to beat us. He ends up going 1-4. I think teams have figured out his limitations as a QB and nobody is afraid of him. Did he get a raw deal this season with Judge as his QB whisperer & Fat Matt as defacto OC? Abso-effing-lutely.

Imo he's not the guy. Call it what you will.

Now you're excuse making for your argument even after you were the one who set the initial parameters. Don't be that guy.



And I didn't make any claim as to Jones being the guy, so I don't know why you're even going there.

 

[Deus Irae]

Bill made some mistakes your saying that justifies Mac making him an enemy. I get it everyone's mad at Bill for the Offensive Staff but the question is what now? I for one certainly don't want to see a war go down.

Not remotely close to what I said.




This board seems to have developed a complete lack of language comprehension this year.

 

[tasmlab]

Regarding BB firing , purely from a record basis , last 3 yrs arent the worst. any new coach willl take some more rebuilding yrs or trade away picks to win now because new coaches have a small window to win or get fired. So lets been careful what we wish for.

It seems like a lot of posters here think the team is 3-11 and the Pats didn't go to the playoffs last year. About half the league is doing worse than the Pats are doing now if you look at W/L outcomes.

Other good coaches with the same or worse records right now who I'm guessing aren't getting fired:
- Vrable
- McVay
- Thomlin
- Carrol
- LaFleur

 

[Deus Irae]

It seems like a lot of posters here think the team is 3-11 and the Pats didn't go to the playoffs last year. About half the league is doing worse than the Pats are doing now if you look at W/L outcomes.

Other good coaches with the same or worse records right now who I'm guessing aren't getting fired:
- Vrable
- McVay
- Thomlin
- Carrol
- LaFleur

Listing names is meaningless without the "why". Why are those coaches not getting fired? Also, which of those coaches are, and have been, both coach and (de facto) GM?

 

[tasmlab]

Listing names is meaningless without the "why". Why are those coaches not getting fired? Also, which of those coaches are, and have been, both coach and (de facto) GM?

I'm guessing they aren't getting fired because of their winning reputation over the years, that they typically run well-managed, well-organized teams, they give the team the best chance to right the ship and have the ownership's confidence. I think that all applies to Belichick as well.

I'm guessing there are GMs in the same boat, regardless if they are the same person or a duo.

 

[Love The Drake]

Listing names is meaningless without the "why". Why are those coaches not getting fired? Also, which of those coaches are, and have been, both coach and (de facto) GM?

Titans Alexa

It seems like a lot of posters here think the team is 3-11 and the Pats didn't go to the playoffs last year. About half the league is doing worse than the Pats are doing now if you look at W/L outcomes.

Other good coaches with the same or worse records right now who I'm guessing aren't getting fired:
- Vrable
- McVay
- Thomlin
- Carrol
- LaFleur

Titans already put the blame on the GM.
The Rams lost their all pro wr and pro bowl QB not to mention a ton of injuries on the O line.
Steelers- Seem to be trending in the right direction.
I think there is a 40 60 chance Steelers still move on.
Seahawks- are competing with a young defense and Gino Smith at QB and have a ton of picks I think Carrol is safe unless he retires.
Packers- Aaron Rodgers may of hit a cliff the defense has greatly underperformed.
This is a 50/50 Proposition if Lafluer gets canned he could almost pick his spot and he would only be replaced by a Sean Payton Bill Belichick.

 

[signbabybrady]

Not remotely close to what I said.




This board seems to have developed a complete lack of language comprehension this year.

To be fair I said I completely missed your point to begin with. Like I said however understated it may have been Bill made some Mistakes. What now is the question.


And I really don't understand your point of BB threatening to do it again? I just don't get what your point was sorry.

 

[Deus Irae]

I'm guessing they aren't getting fired because of their winning reputation over the years, that they typically run well-managed, well-organized teams, they give the team the best chance to right the ship and have the ownership's confidence. I think that all applies to Belichick as well.

I'm guessing there are GMs in the same boat, regardless if they are the same person or a duo.

Over the years?

One of the guys on that list of yours won the Super Bowl last season, is considered by many to be the best young coach in the league, and has been missing his starting QB and last years league-best WR for a fair chunk of the year, and has seen a dependable WR2 swapped out for a guy who's been a first year bust.

One of the guys had a split with his GM because the GM let a great WR walk against the wishes of the coach, and the GM got fired, which means that, at least in theory, the ownership sided with the coach over the GM.

One of the guys has never had a losing season, and is in his first season post-HOF QB, having been stuck with Mitch Trubisky and a rookie as his QBs this year.

One of the guys was given the green light to trade away his franchise QB and overhaul the team, and has his team 1/2 game out of the playoffs despite having Geno Smith as his starting QB.

And the last guy had taken his team to 13-3 in each of his three coaching years before this one, and took those teams to the divisional round once and the conference finals twice in those years.



None of the above means that BB should be fired, but the only coach on that list who should reasonably be looked at as even come close to BB in terms of "should maybe be on the hot seat" is Carroll (and, as with BB, I think it's more than fair for his coaching seat to be warming up a bit, but nothing more than that unless a post-season conference has the coach(es) demonstrate an arrogance or stubbornness that convinces ownership think things just won't get better).

 

[lancerman]

It seems like a lot of posters here think the team is 3-11 and the Pats didn't go to the playoffs last year. About half the league is doing worse than the Pats are doing now if you look at W/L outcomes.

Other good coaches with the same or worse records right now who I'm guessing aren't getting fired:
- Vrable
- McVay
- Thomlin
- Carrol
- LaFleur

There is 100% an element of we have a spoiler fanbase and be middling and on the edge of playoffs and not an outright top tier contender the sky is falling. Rebuilding teams are usually struggling to get a few wins in the season.

 

[crawhammer]

Not really a ringing endorsement from the HC. I remember Bill laughing in the face of the media when asked about replacing a previous quarterback. How about all the times Bill responded "there isn't another quarterback I would rather have than..."

 

[signbabybrady]

None of the above means that BB should be fired, but the only coach on that list who should reasonably be looked at as even come close to BB in terms of "should maybe be on the hot seat" is Carroll (and, as with BB, I think it's more than fair for his coaching seat to be warming up a bit, but nothing more than that unless a post-season conference has the coach(es) demonstrate an arrogance or stubbornness that convinces ownership think things just won't get better).

Even I have to admit that seat is getting a little warm. If I'm Kraft I'm in a tough spot I don't want to be making demands of someone who's been such a good EE but clearly it's getting close. I think I'd just let him decide on his own how to handle the Offensive Staff and then let that decision dictate how hot the seat gets after that.

 

[jdlboot14]

Real question:
If JMD offered it, would you swap Jones for Carr straight up?

 

[TheRainMaker]

Real question:
If JMD offered it, would you swap Jones for Carr straight up?

Yes, but I think Carr would pull a Jake Plummer and retire.

 

[venecol]

Real question:
If JMD offered it, would you swap Jones for Carr straight up?

I wouldn't.

 

[lancerman]

Real question:
If JMD offered it, would you swap Jones for Carr straight up?

Carr is old and has no upside. He would struggle here with what we have right now.

 

[TomPatriot]

Carr is old and has no upside. He would struggle here with what we have right now.

Plus, he’s not better than Jones.

 

[upstater1]

I am sure Belichick doesn't like Jones' attitude. He is the same guy who has benched players for far less.

The thing is I am thinking Jones may want to try to force Belichick to trade him. His end goal could be to make Belichick enough of an enemy to trade him to another team that might put him in a position to be successful.

I am not excusing his actions, but if I was a young player and felt that the team I was playing for was putting me in a position to fail and messing with my career, I would want to shoot my way out of town.

I still think if things become a complete disaster the last three weeks of the season, Belichick might not be here next year. Right now, if he wasn't a six time Super Bowl winner with multiple other Super Bowl and AFCCG appearances (and wins in the AFCCGs), he would already be fired. People automatically assume that Kraft would never part ways with Belichick after this season, but I am not so sure about that. Before the season, Kraft seemed pretty frustrated with the direction of the team. He has to be irate now. He won't outright fire him, but there could be a "mutual" parting of the ways.

Kraft might be the dumbest owner in all of sports, if this were in the works.