Patriots Player Departure Conflicting reports on who was repsonsible for the decision to trade Jimmy (Kraft or Belichick???)

[sportnik]

The Celts had their first round pick (2nd overall) die in 86. They had another first round pick (22nd overall) die in 1993. Fnords type of thinking had a much lower impact than those two tragedies.

Even the Celtics admit that holding onto the Big 3 till the bitter end was a mistake and set the team back for more than a decade. Ainge specifically referenced this when he made the Nets trade, that has positioned the team for the quickest rebuild in modern NBA history.

Never in a million years did I expect BB to repeat the Celtics mistake. The Pats were positioned to be Super Bowl contenders in the post Brady era and just let it slip away.

Let’s see how everyone feels about this in 5 years when JG is leading San Fran to Superbowls while the Pats join the two thirds of the league looking for a QB.

 

[Angelpats]

Brady is the one player who deserves some loyalty. Always takes less. Works the hardest. Won the most. Always humble. We always will have a quality backup if an injury arises but you can't fault our qb if he gets hurt. 6 starting Qbs got hurt this year and no one has bailed on them unlike Brady who everyone seems to be waiting to fall of a cliff or get hurt. It's sickening seeing these vultures drooling for any sign of failure and some of our fan base eats it up. Anyone who thinks Brady will hold the team hostage needs to stop watching espn.

 

[Angelpats]

Even the Celtics admit that holding onto the Big 3 till the bitter end was a mistake and set the team back for more than a decade. Ainge specifically referenced this when he made the Nets trade, that has positioned the team for the quickest rebuild in modern NBA history.

Never in a million years did I expect BB to repeat the Celtics mistake. The Pats were positioned to be Super Bowl contenders in the post Brady era and just let it slip away.

Let’s see how everyone feels about this in 5 years when JG is leading San Fran to Superbowls while the Pats join the two thirds of the league looking for a QB.

The celtics won a championship with the big three. And for a few years they were the best team in the league. During the end you saw the decline in skill and competitiveness plus they accounted for over 75% of the salary cap. They were years removed from a championship when they broke it up. This is a totally different scenario than what the pats have and football is a totally different sport.

You should also wait until JG has finished a season before mentioning him leading Super Bowl teams. He is just as likely to follow the career path of all our other backup Qbs.

 

[Bruins29]

Even the Celtics admit that holding onto the Big 3 till the bitter end was a mistake and set the team back for more than a decade. Ainge specifically referenced this when he made the Nets trade, that has positioned the team for the quickest rebuild in modern NBA history.

Never in a million years did I expect BB to repeat the Celtics mistake. The Pats were positioned to be Super Bowl contenders in the post Brady era and just let it slip away.

Let’s see how everyone feels about this in 5 years when JG is leading San Fran to Superbowls while the Pats join the two thirds of the league looking for a QB.

But TB is still an elite player. The old Celts were not elite players at the end.

Also. You are the guy who posted this in the JG trade thread.

This basically means the era of the great Patriots teams is coming to a close. A truly sad day in New England. When JG is winning superbowls in SF, everyone will wish they traded Brady to San Fran instead. Just wait.

You think the the pats greatness is over now (or soon to be over) because JG (who contributed absolutely nothing to this 17 years of greatness) is gone.

Its pointless trying to debate/discuss/argue this with someone who is either a troll, a major pink hat, an idiot, or card carrying chicken little.

 

[RayClay]

Even the Celtics admit that holding onto the Big 3 till the bitter end was a mistake and set the team back for more than a decade. Ainge specifically referenced this when he made the Nets trade, that has positioned the team for the quickest rebuild in modern NBA history.

Never in a million years did I expect BB to repeat the Celtics mistake. The Pats were positioned to be Super Bowl contenders in the post Brady era and just let it slip away.

Let’s see how everyone feels about this in 5 years when JG is leading San Fran to Superbowls while the Pats join the two thirds of the league looking for a QB.

Yeah, the Celtics won all those titles because they got rid of their best players while they had trade value. Did you follow the Celtics?

 

[Bruins29]

I thought I had seen it all. Now we have:

• The old big 3 of the Celts is equal to TB who just months ago put every other QB who ever played the game to shame
• 1980's NBA is equal to 2017, 2018, 2019 NFL
• JG (he of 6 qtrs of football) is gonna win SBs with a team that is years away from being a contender.

This place is a joke.

 

[RhodyPatriot]

I personally care more about the Pats than Brady

Absolutely!! One of the greatest of all-time but there have been many many contributors without whom the Patriots don't win multiple championships.
This team and organization is about so much more than the QB.

 

[Tony2046]

I root for the laundry first and the meat second.

And as a Celtics fan in the 80s and 90s, I've already seen where your kind of thinking ends up taking a team.

To each his own I guess but that's a bit strange to me. I don't root for the laundry. I root for a bunch of guys playing together, the stories, the accolades and the history created which will be attributed to this team forever.

No QB has given its fan base more than Brady has.

If you don't have enough steak on your plate to last you a lifetime after the last 17 years nothing will satisfy you.

I'm rooting for Brady to retire a Patriot. I hope he goes out on top.

 

[Love The Drake]

Last year would of been a story book ending for Brady to go out.
Then Jimmy could of been that guy.
I understand the concern of finding that franchise QB when Brady has nothing more to give.
Some people thought It was Jimmy G.
I'd still like to see what we could do with Tom Savage.

 

[Tony2046]

Kyle’s offense is extremely difficult to learn.

Kind of not fair to throw jimmy in without the benefit of an offseason and training camp.

Should be very interesting to see if jimmy can do anything over there as the team has a ton of injuries.

I wouldn't expect much this year because of the learning curve but I expect over the next year or two they'll be happy they got him.

 

[RhodyPatriot]

Kyle’s offense is extremely difficult to learn.

Kind of not fair to throw jimmy in without the benefit of an offseason and training camp.

Should be very interesting to see if jimmy can do anything over there as the team has a ton of injuries.

The 49'ers stink. It'll take 2 or 3 years to honestly judge what Jimmy G is really all about as a QB. BB thinks he's the real deal. BB thought Brady was the real deal only after he was able to work with him in camp, saw what he had and had the balls to play him There are MANY coaches in the NFL who never would have given late round draft choice Tom Brady the shot to play the way BB did. Many coaches would not have seen the intangibles that BB did and had the smarts to design an offense around his strengths. So many young QB's fail because they are put in situations they are not ready for or tailored for skill set wise.
Yes the Patriots owe so much to Tom Brady but Tom Brady owes so much to Bill Belichick.
Another team, another coach, another situation and Tom Brady is nobody in 2017.

 

[Pats1989]

What about this sentence below confused you.

The Pats are one Lombardi away from being the greatest NFL franchise of all time.

They'd be tied with the Steelers in SB's. Wouldn't they need seven to be the greatest franchise? Unle

We don't really need to go into the reasons how they have (I will never use the word "won" because that implies earning them) 6 SBs, do we?

I assume your referring to that Seattle fiasco lol. Patriots have the greatest QB and coach in history.

 

[Bruins29]

They'd be tied with the Steelers in SB's. Wouldn't they need seven to be the greatest franchise?

No, they would need seven Lombardi's to be the franchise with the most Lombardi's.Winning them in the 70s is much different than now. This shouldn't need any explaining.

It is the same type of logic used when TB had 4 rings and the Joe Montana guys (and everyone else who just hated Brady/the Pats) would claim that JM was the greatest because he was perfect in the SB blah blah.

Regardless of the number of championships the Steelers and Pats have the Pats were able to win under much different or more difficult circumstances.

 

[Pats1989]

No, they would need seven Lombardi's to be the franchise with the most Lombardi's.Winning them in the 70s is much different than now. This shouldn't need any explaining.

It is the same type of logic used when TB had 4 rings and the Joe Montana guys (and everyone else who just hated Brady/the Pats) would claim that JM was the greatest because he was perfect in the SB blah blah.

Regardless of the number of championships the Steelers and Pats have the Pats were able to win under much different or more difficult circumstances.

Yeah the Patriots won SB's in the free agency era; where players go for the money and aren't loyal. Brady was able to win SB's with a different cast of characters. Steelers won with the team intact and hall of famers everywhere. In otherwords...I agree!!

 

[aluminum seats]

I don't root for the laundry. I root for a bunch of guys playing together, the stories, the accolades and the history created

But you do root for the laundry. Every team in the league has a bunch of guys playing together, etc. You root for the bunch of guys wearing Patriots jerseys.

 

[Tony2046]

But you do root for the laundry. Every team in the league has a bunch of guys playing together, etc. You root for the bunch of guys wearing Patriots jerseys.

Ok, it feels like you're jumping in the middle of a conversation and asking me something out of context.

My response to QM was regarding his response to Fnord's post.

I do want Brady to retire as a Patriot.

Do you want Brady to retire as a Patriot or would you rather have held onto JG? Laundry v Meat.

 

[fnordcircle]

I root for the laundry first and the meat second.

Not trying to do a gotcha - but I swear I've read posts from you in the past about how you'd probably be done with the NFL and the Patriots once BB and Brady are done. Have I mistaken you for someone else (it was a common sentiment but I swear you posted it, because I tend to keep track of what my RL friends say on here) or have you changed your mind?

And as a Celtics fan in the 80s and 90s, I've already seen where your kind of thinking ends up taking a team.

If the Celts get Duncan or Pitino doesn't happen - who knows how long the drought would have been, not to mention the other stuff other posters have mentioned.

But it doesn't matter, for me a decade or two drought is worth a storybook ending to the career of a player who brought us more joy than most fans will get in a lifetime.

 

[fnordcircle]

But you do root for the laundry. Every team in the league has a bunch of guys playing together, etc. You root for the bunch of guys wearing Patriots jerseys.

It's not a binary equation. Some players transcend. Yes, in general, I root for the team so if they cut someone I am fond of I'm not gonna throw a tantrum. But after all he's done for us as fans - whether he meant it for us or not - I'll hope Brady retires a Patriot even if it comes to the detriment of our team's longterm success.

Kind of weird that I even have to type that on here, but I guess I get more attached to players than some of you.

 

[TommyD4207]

Yeah I just can't get into this mercenary mindset when we're talking about the GREATEST PLAYER OF ALL TIME.

If you don't want Brady to retire a Patriot after all he's done for us because you care more about our team's Madden stats in the next decade then I kind of think you're a huge piece of ****.

Meh. I was a Patriots fan before Brady. I'll be a Patriots fan after Brady.

 

[festy1986]

This is a debate?

Lol. HAHAHHA

Jimmy sucks. Book it. He's not Aaron ****ing Rodgers. He's not Steve young.

Until Brady shows an ounce of decline you pink hat fans show him the damn respect he's earned and voice your lame ass concern over the trade then.

Jimmy would be pushing 30 by time Brady was gonna hand him the job and JIMMY WOULDN'T DO THAT and we aren't walking away from Brady.

Say what you want about manning but the dude won a sb after he was released. Broke Tom Brady's record after a double neck surgery.

What do you Think Tom would do given the motivation of being released by a franchise who outside of the Brady years was almost always an embarrassment to the league.

Christ. If Tom can't earn his swan song than there's no pleasing those people.