Patriots Player Departure Conflicting reports on who was repsonsible for the decision to trade Jimmy (Kraft or Belichick???)

[PatsWickedPissah]

Baaaah!

 

[Pats1989]

Not that I wish any harm on him; who is the sole owner if/when Kraft passes. Jonathan?

 

[NG Pats Fan]

I’m with ya. I really liked Jimmy (still do and will root for him in SF) but if you said I could either have only 2 more years of Brady or trade him now and move on with Jimmy, I will take Brady every time. I would rather take 2 more years of Brady and then watch the Pats suck horribly for the next 10 years than move on from Brady before he’s ready to hang them up. The dude is the GOAT.

Suck for 10 more years?

You're saying we can't find a Derek Carr in the draft? Or a deshaun Watson? We essentially have two late first round picks next year

 

[Bruins29]

The Pats are one Lombardi away from being the greatest NFL franchise of all time. They already have the greatest dynasty of all time.

Brady is 1 or 2 Lombardis away from being considered one of the great team sports althletes of all time. He is already up there but if he wins 1/2 more he will be in Russell/Ruth area. It will be undisputed.

You dont give up on any of this because you are worried 5-6 years from now an older Brady cant get it done and you dont quite have the correct backup. Maybe the correct backup is the next guy?

As great as sustained excellence is there are some things (once in a lifetime things) that are more important.

 

[JoeB]

It does go against Bill's normal way of getting rid of a player too early than too late but the qb position is different than a lineman (semour) or a corner (samuel, law) because it's the most important position in the game. Not to mention brady is the greatest qb of all time. If brady was playing like manning his last year he would have gotten traded instead of JG. Jg is still unproven even tho he did look great before he got hurt. Brady is still the best qb in the league at 40. There are not many qbs who can have a crap gm through 3 qtrs and then snap out of it and catch fire like brady has time and time again. Pats must believe they have enough time left w brady to find the next guy. You have to ride the goat til the end. I'm going to enjoy the ride.

 

[Ross12]

Suck for 10 more years?

You're saying we can't find a Derek Carr in the draft? Or a deshaun Watson? We essentially have two late first round picks next year

Oh no, I’m not saying that’s what I expect would happen... I’m just saying I would take that for more time with Brady. I would think that the team would more than likely find an above average QB at some point and they would continue to be good (maybe a few bad years) but not as good as with Brady.

 

[bbobbo]

I read an interview with him about this very subject. There was another player kraft loved but Bb traded away and there was an argument that almost made Bb quit the organization. It many have been Wilfork. Kraft has admitted he won't interfere again and it has been the hardest part of owning this team but understands that's part of his job too. Of course Bb will talk about a Brady trade with kraft but he doesn't need his approval. FYI. I'm a Brady fan I want him to play at least 5 more years. I'm just going by what I read About the interview.

wilfork never got traded away.
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[wolverinejoe80]

The Pats are one Lombardi away from being the greatest NFL franchise of all time. They already have the greatest dynasty of all time.

Brady is 1 or 2 Lombardis away from being considered one of the great team sports althletes of all time. He is already up there but if he wins 1/2 more he will be in Russell/Ruth area. It will be undisputed.


You dont give up on any of this because you are worried 5-6 years from now an older Brady cant get it done and you dont quite have the correct backup. Maybe the correct backup is the next guy?

As great as sustained excellence is there are some things (once in a lifetime things) that are more important.

brady already passed russell in my book. nobody really considers russell the GOAT.


brady is already in the mt. rushmore of GOATs IMO. whoever those GOATs are they better have a spot for brady

 

[Bruins29]

brady already passed russell in my book. nobody really considers russell the GOAT.


brady is already in the mt. rushmore of GOATs IMO. whoever those GOATs are they better have a spot for brady

Like I said, he is already up there. As much as I want to be a Brady guy and I do think he has surpassed Jordan etc, that 9 in a row thing is hard to overlook. Especially given the competition he faced. Plus I have seen Russell rated the greatest team sports player, or runner up, so how is that not considered the GOAT? Then again many have Jordan over him and TB>Jordan...so....

Things were so different back then with sports, Forget social media and sports shows, all you had a was a newspaper. And Russell wasnt exactly liked by anyone. I think if he were able to pull that off now, its a much different narrative.

I have no issue with someone putting Brady as the GOAT for Boston at this point. It would be interesting to have a discussion with some pro sports guys (the good ones) to hear their take of Bradys current placement among the all time team sports greats.

 

[bbobbo]

Like I said, he is already up there. As much as I want to be a Brady guy and I do think he has surpassed Jordan etc, that 9 in a row thing is hard to overlook. Especially given the competition he faced. Plus I have seen Russell rated the greatest team sports player, or runner up, so how is that not considered the GOAT? Then again many have Jordan over him and TB>Jordan...so....

considering it was an 8- or 9-team league for most of those championships, it's not nearly as impressive.
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[Bruins29]

considering it was an 8- or 9-team league for most of those championships, it's not nearly as impressive.
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True but a lot of peeps will say he faced more elite competition since the talent wasnt watered down. I can see putting TB over BR because of the overall longevity, dominance and the fact he played in a league that had caps and all that.

Like I said, its great that we pats/TB homers think one thing but I would be curious to see what the objective sports experts think.

 

[bbobbo]

True but a lot of peeps will say he faced more elite competition since the talent wasnt watered down. I can see putting TB over BR because of the overall longevity, dominance and the fact he played in a league that had caps and all that.

Like I said, its great that we pats/TB homers think one thing but I would be curious to see what the objective sports experts think.

i never understood that argument. the pool of talent is much larger now than it was then, not to mention the money is so much bigger that development starts at a much younger age.

also, for many of those championships, the celtics had a bye the first round of a 3-round playoff. so they often only had to win 2 playoff series to win the championship.

 

[Dexter]

 

[long distance]

If that happens, the did TB make BB debate will go on for all time. But if TB retires and the Pats suck under BB, there will be a stronger argument for TB made BB. Personally, I think they made each other great. BTW, who is the backup?

They did make each other great. Debate of who made who makes no sense though. They play different positions. One is throwing footballs, running the offence under OC and leading the team on the field and in the locker room. While doing all this at the GOAT level his decision making within the organization (and even on the field) is limited. The other is running the whole organization under distinct culture he created and enforced and calling all the shots, including drafting Brady in exactly the 6th round, coaching him up, keeping him on the roster and putting him in a position to succeed with selection of coaches, scouts, front office, draft picks etc.

 

[QuantumMechanic]

also, for many of those championships, the celtics had a bye the first round of a 3-round playoff. so they often only had to win 2 playoff series to win the championship.

That's not a very good argument to use when arguing for Brady over Russell, given that for every championship a Brady-led team has won, they've had a first-round bye. And they've never even made it into the championship round without getting a first-round bye.

 

[bbobbo]

That's not a very good argument to use when arguing for Brady over Russell, given that for every championship a Brady-led team has won, they've had a first-round bye. And they've never even made it into the championship round without getting a first-round bye.

i wasn't really making a brady/russell comparison (even though i did jump into the middle of that thread). different sports plus different eras make it hard to compare.

what i don't understand is the argument that an 8- or 9-team league from the 50s/60s can have more elite talent than a 30-team league which draws talent from around the world.
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[luuked]

Suck for 10 more years?

You're saying we can't find a Derek Carr in the draft? Or a deshaun Watson? We essentially have two late first round picks next year

It is more likely we suck for 10 years than find a good QB in any given draft. It is more likely we wont see another SB appearance again than getting another HoF level QB. You dont have to like the odds but this is what it is.

Does this mean we will suck ? Most probably not but thinking that you can get a Derek Carr or even Alex Smith in any given draft is pretty ridiculous.

 

[chris_in_sunnyvale]

I'm biased, but I think playing QB at Brady's level, particularly his level since the Bengals 2014 game, is one of the most impressive sports feats any athlete can do. He doesn't dominate physically. He doesn't have a ton of elite help at RB or even WR. His true elite help in Gronk missed the last title run. Teams have years of game film on him to break down and find ways to beat him, yet invariably fail. Imagine facing opponents week after week who've cooked up a plan to beat you and really only you, and every week you rip that plan to shreds. It's amazing to me.

Regards,
Chris

 

[Pats1989]

The Pats are one Lombardi away from being the greatest NFL franchise of all time. They already have the greatest dynasty of all time.

Brady is 1 or 2 Lombardis away from being considered one of the great team sports althletes of all time. He is already up there but if he wins 1/2 more he will be in Russell/Ruth area. It will be undisputed.

You dont give up on any of this because you are worried 5-6 years from now an older Brady cant get it done and you dont quite have the correct backup. Maybe the correct backup is the next guy?

As great as sustained excellence is there are some things (once in a lifetime things) that are more important.

Steelers have six SB's...

 

[Bradyking12]

Steelers have six SB's...

Hopefully repeat this year, and with Edelman and Hightower back next season 3Peat for 7, next season our offense will be what it would of been this year had not Edelman been hurt which is f*cking crazy cause I think we have the 1 or 2 ranked offense lmao we're definitely set for the next 2 years, lets nail it this year get some of our guys back next season and really take it to the house