Cobbs + Mills = Pass in trouble?

[mgteich]

It may be Andrews who will really displace Pass. Pass didn't make the team last year because he could block or run the ball. He made the squad because he was often one of the kick returners, and played on almost all the special teams.

Cobbs still has much to prove before he makes the roster, but even if he made the 53, he would probably be inactive every week, an excellent prospect only active in case of injuries.

My thoughts exactly, 'Zona.
Evans wasn't going to make the 53, barring injury.
If Cobbs were to make it, Pass would be the most likely incumbent to pay the price.

But, as PlattsFan reminds us:
... the history of every preseason is filled with guys who look good against the scrubs
at the end of these games and never do anything else.
He shed tackles pretty well, but against better guys ... who knows?

Patrick Cobbs would seem more likely to hit the p/s ... than Patrick Pass to hit the bricks.

 

[PatsMan26]

It seems like a lot of you don't like pass but i have always thought he is a productive player regardless of his "relationship" with the coaching staff. Unfortunatley for him there are about 4 of him competing for one or two spots this year. However, i think it is very unlikely that Cobbs and/or evans will make the team. I expect pass to be here and contribute in the regular season.

 

[shmessy]

It seems like a lot of you don't like pass but i have always thought he is a productive player regardless of his "relationship" with the coaching staff. Unfortunatley for him there are about 4 of him competing for one or two spots this year. However, i think it is very unlikely that Cobbs and/or evans will make the team. I expect pass to be here and contribute in the regular season.

I agree with you, Patsman26. The funniest comment was from Holyredemeer claiming that Pass doesn't play alot. If one counts his ST work, he's out there on the field almost as much as a regular.

And I heard lots of public praise for him from BB last year - BB doesn't do that often. All the coaches who dissed him (Holley's book) did so in 2002 and, except for Seely, they are all gone.

Whether Pass makes the squad or not is more dependent on the condition of his surgically repaired foot than anything else.

 

[PWRxWLF]

I agree with you, Patsman26. The funniest comment was from Holyredemeer claiming that Pass doesn't play alot. If one counts his ST work, he's out there on the field almost as much as a regular.

And I heard lots of public praise for him from BB last year - BB doesn't do that often. All the coaches who dissed him (Holley's book) did so in 2002 and, except for Seely, they are all gone.

Whether Pass makes the squad or not is more dependent on the condition of his surgically repaired foot than anything else.

I wasnt referring to his playing time. I was simply referring to the fact, that for someone who DOESN'T play as much as a regular, he IS injured alot. Since getting more playing time in 03 he has missed 9 total games due to injury. That isn't including how many times he has had to sit out during a game because he gets banged up.
With all of the new additions, some extra players have to go to make room, and I am merely hoping that he is one of them. In contrast, Heath Evans is a far superior lead blocker and runs the ball between the tackles much better. We don't need Pass here for ST anymore, cause Willie Andrews is probably going to stick. And, we dont need him for his outside running, because Faulk is now healthy, and we also have the speed of Maroney.

 

[shmessy]

I wasnt referring to his playing time. I was simply referring to the fact, that for someone who DOESN'T play as much as a regular, he IS injured alot. Since getting more playing time in 03 he has missed 9 total games due to injury. That isn't including how many times he has had to sit out during a game because he gets banged up.
With all of the new additions, some extra players have to go to make room, and I am merely hoping that he is one of them. In contrast, Heath Evans is a far superior lead blocker and runs the ball between the tackles much better. We don't need Pass here for ST anymore, cause Willie Andrews is probably going to stick. And, we dont need him for his outside running, because Faulk is now healthy, and we also have the speed of Maroney.

Nine games in three seasons isn't "injured alot" in my book. Especially for someone who does as much as Pass. Let's face it - - the ST's are nicknamed the "suicide squads" for a reason.

Willie Andrews isn't going to block or tackle like Patrick Pass on the ST's (he will be a better returner tho' - I think of him as taking Tim Dwight's ST role while we go with 4 WR's on the roster).

I'm not even going to comment regarding your opinion that Heath Evans' running is better than Patrick's. The guy's first game against the Dolphins was out of this world and then the carriage turned back into a pumpkin. I'll take Pass as a runner and receiver everyday of the week and twice on Sundays over Evans.

The only wildcard here is Pass' foot after the surgery.

 

[PWRxWLF]

Nine games in three seasons isn't "injured alot" in my book. Especially for someone who does as much as Pass. Let's face it - - the ST's are nicknamed the "suicide squads" for a reason.

Willie Andrews isn't going to block or tackle like Patrick Pass on the ST's (he will be a better returner tho' - I think of him as taking Tim Dwight's ST role while we go with 4 WR's on the roster).

I'm not even going to comment regarding your opinion that Heath Evans' running is better than Patrick's. The guy's first game against the Dolphins was out of this world and then the carriage turned back into a pumpkin. I'll take Pass as a runner and receiver everyday of the week and twice on Sundays over Evans.

The only wildcard here is Pass' foot after the surgery.

Evans is a better INSIDE runner, INSIDE. I never said he was a better runner. Either way it goes, I hope neither make the team. Wha'ts wonderful about this, is that we can actually argue about it because we have some very good depth. Also, go look up the stats from last yr. Aside from having a better YPC avg. at the beginning of the yr. Pass wasnt much better than Evans. Pass also had the luxury of playing with a healthy O-line. I am pretty sure Evans hardly ever had the chance to do that. Has Pass ever been injured while playing ST? Willie Andrews was playing with the starters on ST and was throwing his body into anything that moved. Also, in the secondary he was throwing himself into anything that moved. The kid has heart and is an overachiever. I can't help but prefer that in a guy.
And before anybody tries telling me Pass is an overachiever because of his draft position, the guy has the size and speed to do it all, but never did.

 

[RoughingthePasser]

Pass and Evans will be gone.

Mills will be listed as FB

 

[PatsFanInVa]

Been sayin' this for a while, guys.... the moment we brought in 2 MORE TEs in the draft (not 1, but 2,) stipulating one gets to be a FB/HB, the reason for Pass's existence took a hit. Now suddenly they've invented somethign called a Patric Cobbs, which as I understand it is a cross between a Patric Pass and a Cedric Cobbs.... this does not add to Pass's value.

We shall see... this time of year is full of surprises and the superstar in week one can easily be the goat in 2. Still... I don't think I'm resting really easy after this week if I'm Pass.

PFnV

 

[captain stone]

I wasnt referring to his playing time. I was simply referring to the fact, that for someone who DOESN'T play as much as a regular, he IS injured alot. Since getting more playing time in 03 he has missed 9 total games due to injury. That isn't including how many times he has had to sit out during a game because he gets banged up.
With all of the new additions, some extra players have to go to make room, and I am merely hoping that he is one of them. In contrast, Heath Evans is a far superior lead blocker and runs the ball between the tackles much better. We don't need Pass here for ST anymore, cause Willie Andrews is probably going to stick. And, we dont need him for his outside running, because Faulk is now healthy, and we also have the speed of Maroney.

"Heath Evans is a far superior lead blocker" to Pass? I wouldn't go that far. I would go so far, however, to say that Evans sucks out loud as a blocker of any sort, whether it be from the LOS or on ST. Mr.Evans' future with the team rests maybe on the health of Patrick Pass, and on the progress of Patrick Cobbs. My preference would be for a true FB, e.g. Dan Kreider, Lorenzo Neal, Mack Strong, etc. The pats haven't had one (a good one, anyway) since Sam Gash. Remember, Corey Dillon ran behind Lorenzo Neal for 1315 and 1311 yards in 2001 and 2002, pre-Carson Palmer. I love FBs who can make mincemeat of approaching LBs, make a 3rd-and-short, and make a catch in the flat. In that order.

 

[PWRxWLF]

"Heath Evans is a far superior lead blocker" to Pass? I wouldn't go that far. I would go so far, however, to say that Evans sucks out loud as a blocker of any sort, whether it be from the LOS or on ST. Mr.Evans' future with the team rests maybe on the health of Patrick Pass, and on the progress of Patrick Cobbs. My preference would be for a true FB, e.g. Dan Kreider, Lorenzo Neal, Mack Strong, etc. The pats haven't had one (a good one, anyway) since Sam Gash. Remember, Corey Dillon ran behind Lorenzo Neal for 1315 and 1311 yards in 2001 and 2002, pre-Carson Palmer. I love FBs who can make mincemeat of approaching LBs, make a 3rd-and-short, and make a catch in the flat. In that order.

Well, since we dont have a wealth of game footage available to us from last season, I will tell you just to watch our game against the falcons. The few times he was in there at FB, he opened holes and picked up some good blocks. Pass just doesnt do that. He isnt big enough to be a blocker/receiving threat at fullback. Evans is more well rounded. I agree with you though on getting a hammer at fullback. But, isn't that why we stocked up on te's/h-backs?

 

[captain stone]

Well, since we dont have a wealth of game footage available to us from last season, I will tell you just to watch our game against the falcons. The few times he was in there at FB, he opened holes and picked up some good blocks. Pass just doesnt do that. He isnt big enough to be a blocker/receiving threat at fullback. Evans is more well rounded. I agree with you though on getting a hammer at fullback. But, isn't that why we stocked up on te's/h-backs?

I'll re-watch the falcons game to key on Evans, though I doubt I'll see what I'm hoping to see. Given the choice btwn a healthy Patrick Pass and a healthy Heath Evans, I would choose Evans, but without conviction. And although there are TE/HB types on the roster, I still wish there were room for a smashmouth FB.