Can we root for Mahomes now?

[Tunescribe]

Me either.

Who I want to win has absolutely no bearing on what will transpire on the playing field. KC is a dynasty. 5 consecutive AFC Championship games at home. 3 Super Bowl appearances in 5 years.

You need to WIN those Super Bowls to be a dynasty.

 

[captain stone]

Why do you dislike Mahomes though? Because he is a great player?

He's an insufferable, pompous, smug, entitled, loathsome bastard who is being aided & abetted by Park Avenue while he and his team cheat on the field, all the ****ing time... And he knows it and is fine with it.

Otherwise he's a great guy.

 

[captain stone]

Why people hated Brady. Because he is a great player and rooting against someone makes things more exciting and fun.

I do not believe anyone dislikes him personally or wishes bad things on him.

I do, MaggotToKuntsee.

 

[MahomestoKelce]

I hear you, but this voluntary and motivated by becoming millionaires. It sucks to deal with these injuries, but these players do choose this career. And many people in the world go through hell on a daily basis to earn a living without earning 7 figures.

True.

I get what you mean.

Like media pundits saying it's unfair Lamar isn't getting 50 million per year. When some people struggle to put food on the table.

 

[MahomestoKelce]

Me either.

Who I want to win has absolutely no bearing on what will transpire on the playing field. KC is a dynasty. 5 consecutive AFC Championship games at home. 3 Super Bowl appearances in 5 years.

Nope.

Even a SB win this year doesn't make them a dynasty. Win next year too? We have a legit debate.

Getting to the SB and hosting a bunch of AFC Title games isn't enough. WINNING the SB it is what counts toward a dynasty. If we lose to Philly, how many people ten years from now will remember the AFC title game win over Cincy instead of who won SB 57? Not many. Nobody really even remembers the SB loser.

Not diretly talking to you on this. General statement. But I don't think the bar should be lowered on what constituted a "Dynasty" just because FA and parity have made winning tougher.

60's-Packers
70's-Steelers
80's-49ers (Still though. There was a three year window 85-87 where they went one and done).
90's Cowboys
00's-Patriots
10's-Patriots won three in five years. However, no back to back. Winning in 17 would have sealed the deal. Not sure how to rank this one.

 

[venecol]

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Is Boston Cream a member of the forum?

 

[Bruins29]

KC is a dynasty. 5 consecutive AFC Championship games at home. 3 Super Bowl appearances in 5 years.

Maybe they can get a 5 straight AFCCG/3SB appearance banner?

 

[1960Pats]

During the Patriots dynasty era it was natural to 'hate' and 'actively root against' the teams that were a threat to the Pats.

Therefore, I would root against Peyton and Roethlisberger and then eventually Mahomes. I didn't want them to prevent hte Pats from winning the title, but also I didn't want them to surpass Brady's greatness.

Now that Brady is gone from the Pats and the Pats' dynasty era is over, I don't dislike these teams or players like I used to. I feel Brady's legacy is pretty secure, in fact when it comes to Mahomes specifically Brady has already beat him in two playoff games.

I think I've finally reached the point where I wouldn't mind if Mahomes wins this Super Bowl. It might be one of those Michael Jordan-things. Every year I would root against Jordan in teh finals, but it was only after he retired I was like 'ya, that dude was really good though'. Where I do respect Mahomes and his ability to have his team at the top each year (just like Brady would do).

Anyone else finding it easier to root for Mahomes these days?

I was usually aware of the teams that were equal to the Pats with 6 SBs and rooted against them. I also root against the 9ers who have 5. One of the things that pissed me off about dumping Brady was that he ended up with 7 and the Pats stayed at 6. I would like to have seen us get #7 together. I won't be watching but I hope the Pats do win for the fans but I doubt they will, not in my lifetime.

 

[1960Pats]

Nope.

Even a SB win this year doesn't make them a dynasty. Win next year too? We have a legit debate.

Getting to the SB and hosting a bunch of AFC Title games isn't enough. WINNING the SB it is what counts toward a dynasty. If we lose to Philly, how many people ten years from now will remember the AFC title game win over Cincy instead of who won SB 57? Not many. Nobody really even remembers the SB loser.

Not diretly talking to you on this. General statement. But I don't think the bar should be lowered on what constituted a "Dynasty" just because FA and parity have made winning tougher.

60's-Packers
70's-Steelers
80's-49ers (Still though. There was a three year window 85-87 where they went one and done).
90's Cowboys
00's-Patriots
10's-Patriots won three in five years. However, no back to back. Winning in 17 would have sealed the deal. Not sure how to rank this one.

The only thing I disagree with here is that the NYFL has parity. The same teams make the playoffs with only a few exceptions, and sometimes those exceptions are due to injuries to key players on other teams. Here's a list of the amount of times that AFC teams made the playoffs in the last 22 years.
NE - 18 (recently replaced by Buffalo)
Indy -16 (replaced by Tenn and the Jags once)
Pitt - 14 (recently replaced by Cincy)
Bal - 13
KC - 11

That's 8 of the 16 teams dominating the playoff spots and the other 8 getting very few chances, if any. And all of those playoff teams, maybe with the exception of the Ratbirds, had top QBs. Someone should have informed Bill Belichick of that fact in 2020.

 

[1960Pats]

Even if Brady had 12 SB titles, and Mahomes had donated 200 million to charity, Pats fans would not openly root for him. Part of sports is hating and liking certain teams. It's what makes it great.

From what I can tell, most here do not hate the guy as a person. Nor wish injury on him. They just want him to fail on the football field. Way it should be.

OT, but ESPN is over the top with the Mahomes "GOAT" talk right now. I am a fan but I acknowledge it's ludicrous talk.

What does Mahomes need to do to become GOAT QB? It starts with 8 SB titles. Appearances do nothing. I don't care if he gets to 12 SB's and wins 7. Brady won 7. Including one against him. So it starts at 8 titles. Then, add on a few more league MVP's. In short, he is not winning 8 SB's. No he is not getting to 12 SB's either. Too much parity. Injuries. Randomness. Things change so quick. Brady was the exception to everything. It can't be replicated.

I believe Mahomes will be top 5 QB of all time once it is all said and done. But I can only go by what I have seen thus far. I can't predict if a major injury happens. The talent erodes around him. Or somehow another team in the division becomes some juggernaut.

Talent is a term used alot by ESPN & Kellerman. Mahomes is probably a top three talented QB of all time. Great. But that alone does not win championships. Nor does it have anything to do with top five all time. Actual accomplishments do.

Sorry for that. Just bugs me the stuff those guys come up with.

IMHO it's that kind of over-the-top media bs that turns people in the wrong direction.
There's nothing at all bad about Patrick Mahomes.
He doesn't use PEDs.
He's not padding his stats (he doesn't need to anyway).
He's not an egotistical jerk.
And he never stuck his peepee in a female trainers face and then laughed about it with his dad in a book.

 

[1960Pats]

Pay your debts, and there will be no problems. Don't listen to @venecol and his horror stories. We caught him skimming off the money collected from our Casino whores while even sampling the goods. We only remove pinkie from both hands. Left him still a whole man but with a lesson delivered. And he still works for us! Very fair.

In Mother Russia, we would send baby brother Mahomes to Siberian work camp. That would humble the little **** quickly.

The talented brother likely has unconditional acceptance of his brother. We respect that in Russia. It wouldn't save the silly boy, but we respect it.

My favorite thing about Russia is the way they deal with convicted killers. They give them an appeal and if they lose they go into a cell with a small window. Within a week or two the executioner will stick a gun in there and shoot him in the head. Quick and easy.

 

[Bruins29]

IMHO it's that kind of over-the-top media bs that turns people in the wrong direction.
There's nothing at all bad about Patrick Mahomes.
He doesn't use PEDs.
He's not padding his stats (he doesn't need to anyway).
He's not an egotistical jerk.
And he never stuck his peepee in a female trainers face and then laughed about it with his dad in a book.

He also never took brand new helmets and jerseys and rubbed them in dirt to claim they were “game worn” to scam hard working Americans out of their money.

But who’s counting

 

[StockingAnarchyNumber12]

You need to WIN those Super Bowls to be a dynasty.

Agree. If they lose this one then I won't ever be able to see them as a dynasty. This is the one they need.

 

[Triumph]

Maybe they can get a 5 straight AFCCG/3SB appearance banner?

If KC wins this Super Bowl that's 3.

3 more with Mahomes is not farfetched.

 

[Bruins29]

If KC wins this Super Bowl that's 3.

3 more with Mahomes is not farfetched.

With the leagues help. You bet

 

[Real fan 02]

Short answer, no.

After seeing how classless, reckless and belligerent the eagles fans are hard to root for them..

 

[PatsWSB47]

My favorite thing about Russia is the way they deal with convicted killers. They give them an appeal and if they lose they go into a cell with a small window. Within a week or two the executioner will stick a gun in there and shoot him in the head. Quick and easy.

Another favorite thing about Russia is their fair trials.

 

[Triumph]

With the leagues help. You bet

Yes, the league fixed it so Hill and Kelce would lead the league in receptions, but others wouldn't.

The NFL fixed it so the idiot Bengals would hit Mahomes late out of bounds and put the Chiefs in FG range.

 

[Bruins29]

Yes, the league fixed it so Hill and Kelce would lead the league in receptions, but others wouldn't.

The NFL fixed it so the idiot Bengals would hit Mahomes late out of bounds and put the Chiefs in FG range.

Is that true ? I would not know. I don’t watch this woke BS

 

[Triumph]

Is that true ? I would not know. I don’t watch this woke BS

They havent ruined football yet, but a certain group of people will.