Can we finally stop pretending that Cam is good?

[Betterthanmost]

Sad for him that the only team that wanted him had no weapons to help his case, he took less to show that he can still play in the league and now he may never get the chance again.

 

[archstanton543]

Sad for him that the only team that wanted him had no weapons to help his case, he took less to show that he can still play in the league and now he may never get the chance again.

Oh, yeah. Boo-hoo for Cam. Yes, the TE's and WR's suck but so does he. His shoulder his clearly shot and he doesn't have the burst of speed he used to have in the rushing part of his game.

 

[sb1]

The worst thing about Newton is Belichick must actually believe he's worth trotting out there every week. Or that he believes Stidham is a worse option.

Seems clear to me that’s exactly what he thinks. I don’t blame him.

 

[italian pat patriot]

Probably i am too much rude but i have to admit i hope that Cam has playied is last game with our uniform last monday and i am still unhappy that he tied a record that had one of our best ever loved playier Steve Grogan...

 

[Lagaffe_07]

Seems clear to me that’s exactly what he thinks. I don’t blame him.

They both sucks but between the two Stidham looks more like a QB.

Stidham passes are as inaccurate as Cam and he plays like he is about sh*t his pants. He looks so nervous.

But, the ball gets out quicker, on time with Stidham and he has a much better touch on his short pass.

the result is the same as with Cam but when Stidham is in there it looks like a NE offense. At least, he doesn’t need James White to indicate him who is the Mike like with Cam.

 

[Ring 6]

Last year’s team could have been special with a healthy offensive line!

More so with a healthy Brady.

 

[sb1]

Sad for him that the only team that wanted him had no weapons to help his case, he took less to show that he can still play in the league and now he may never get the chance again.

Well I’m sure he knew what he was getting into when he signed here. The Pats didn’t force him to become a Patriot.

 

[sb1]

They both sucks but between the two Stidham looks more like a QB.

Stidham passes are as inaccurate as Cam and he plays like he is about sh*t his pants. He looks so nervous.

But, the ball gets out quicker, on time with Stidham and he has a much better touch on his short pass.

the result is the same as with Cam but when Stidham is in there it looks like a NE offense. At least, he doesn’t need James White to indicate him who is the Mike like with Cam.

The one thing this offense does well is run block. That alone makes a guy like Cam a better fit with the threat to run designed plays.

I was expecting a lot more from Stidham’s mobility. I thought he too could run. I’m not seeing it at all.

 

[RIpats88]

Sad for him that the only team that wanted him had no weapons to help his case, he took less to show that he can still play in the league and now he may never get the chance again.

It's more than that though. If he was a competent QB he would at least have 15-20tds passing.

The eye test tells me he can't throw anymore. Skipping passes into the ground. Idk if his shoulder is just shot. The league nowadays is setup for QBs to put up numbers and cam could barely muster 5 tds all season and 34 passing yards last week.

Watch videos from 2 years ago before his shoulder injury and compare that to now. It's a totally different player.

I think everyone's hope (including mine as a fan) was he would show he was still that player that was having a record passing year (for him) before his shoulder injury. But he just can't anymore.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Well I’m sure he knew what he was getting into when he signed here. The Pats didn’t force him to become a Patriot.

Agreed. I do not think he will ever play again - too big of a personality to be a backup - he is not a starter. BB gave him a chance, he is done. Can't be a coach - he does not even know who the Mike is. Maybe broadcasting?

 

[lancerman]

They both sucks but between the two Stidham looks more like a QB.

Stidham passes are as inaccurate as Cam and he plays like he is about sh*t his pants. He looks so nervous.

But, the ball gets out quicker, on time with Stidham and he has a much better touch on his short pass.

the result is the same as with Cam but when Stidham is in there it looks like a NE offense. At least, he doesn’t need James White to indicate him who is the Mike like with Cam.

If Cam is as bad as everyone seems to be in agreement on, and I won’t dispute that point, he’s clearly washed, then there is no reason that in 5 appearances Stidham couldn’t clearly make a case for himself. Like it’s not hard to look better than Cam.

And that’s just on the passing front. Stidham’s two most productive throws this year were wide open dump offs where the receiver needed to get most of the yards. Like a quarter of his yardage and half his TD’s comes from those two plays.

Once you factor in that Cam has 12 TD’s running and is our second leading rusher in yards all of a sudden it makes it very difficult to make a switch to a guy who is not even making a better case passing in garbage time where he has almost no stakes.

 

[203Pat]

Seems clear to me that’s exactly what he thinks. I don’t blame him.

Based on the way the MNF crew was talking about Stidham it seemed pretty clear Bill made his feelings on Stidham pretty clear in the preproduction meeting.

 

[lancerman]

The one thing this offense does well is run block. That alone makes a guy like Cam a better fit with the threat to run designed plays.

I was expecting a lot more from Stidham’s mobility. I thought he too could run. I’m not seeing it at all.

This is 100% the problem. You have two QB’s that have sucked throwing the ball but because our WR’s and pass protection suck anyways the run game is our strength and one of them is head and shoulders better for it. The jury on passing is still out, the offense still looks like garbage when Stidham is there, he makes inaccurate passes too and is actually making worse reads leading to a higher interception rate, but even if he was definitively marginally better passing (he’s not) then with our offense it’s still a net loss to take the better running QB off the field. You aren’t going to gain enough in the pass game to justify it. And the fact is Stidham hasn’t even made that case for himself that he’s even better at all.

The disconnect on this board is that people think that saying Cam should start means he’s good. No it means he’s just the best of bad options. Defenses aren’t afraid of the pass whether Cam or Stidham is out there. But we can run and it’s probably not a great idea to take a guy who has 4 rushing TD’s more than our entire RB Corp out of the game to put a guy who isn’t even a better passer out there to throw to receivers who suck anyways.

 

[Lagaffe_07]

Once you factor in that Cam has 12 TD’s running and is our second leading rusher in yards all of a sudden it makes it very difficult to make a switch to a guy who is not even making a better case passing in garbage time where he has almost no stakes

That’s mean nothing because we basically give the ball to Cam inside the 5 everytime. If we handed the ball to our running back instead inside the 5. Our RB will have 12 rushing TDs.

And that’s just on the passing front. Stidham’s two most productive throws this year were wide open dump offs where the receiver needed to get most of the yards. Like a quarter of his yardage and half his TD’s comes from those two plays.

That is basically NE offense for 20 years. I can’t count how many time Brady dump off a pass to a wide open White or Edelman for 20 where they broke 2 tackles. YAC has always been something important in the NE offense.

the throw to Harry on the sideline was good, it was place at the right spot. Harry turn the wrong way. That’s a throw that Cam cannot make.

 

[lancerman]

Based on the way the MNF crew was talking about Stidham it seemed pretty clear Bill made his feelings on Stidham pretty clear in the preproduction meeting.

I think anybody who has watched this season has to just take it as the coaching staff is very low on Stidham. He got passed for Newton almost immediately, he got dropped to third on the depth chart, when we needed a different starter vs KC they went right to Hoyer, despite some blowouts where Stidham got to play they never felt compelled to give him a shot starting, Belichick gets actively angry when asked about it and McDaniels had to come out and basically say “I’ve watched this guy a good deal of time, I’m confidant I know where he is at”.

It’s very hard to take all that and think it’s anything other than “this guy isn’t ready and we can’t justify him starting because there isn’t a positive to be had”. This is glaringly obvious.

 

[203Pat]

I think anybody who has watched this season has to just take it as the coaching staff is very low on Stidham. He got passed for Newton almost immediately, he got dropped to third on the depth chart, when we needed a different starter vs KC they went right to Hoyer, despite some blowouts where Stidham got to play they never felt compelled to give him a shot starting, Belichick gets actively angry when asked about it and McDaniels had to come out and basically say “I’ve watched this guy a good deal of time, I’m confidant I know where he is at”.

It’s very hard to take all that and think it’s anything other than “this guy isn’t ready and we can’t justify him starting because there isn’t a positive to be had”. This is glaringly obvious.

My only thing at this point is give him a week to prepare as a starter for this meaningless week 17 game and see if he is even worth a roster spot next year as a backup. He is currently the only QB on the roster under contract for next year and if he doesn't start on Sunday I would say it is a lock that he isn't on the team next year.

 

[lancerman]

That’s mean nothing because we basically give the ball to Cam inside the 5 everytime. If we handed the ball to our running back instead inside the 5. Our RB will have 12 rushing TDs.


That is basically NE offense for 20 years. I can’t count how many time Brady dump off a pass to a wide open White or Edelman for 20 where they broke 2 tackles. YAC has always been something important in the NE offense.

the throw to Harry on the sideline was good, it was place at the right spot. Harry turn the wrong way. That’s a throw that Cam cannot make.

You can’t assume the RB’s are going to account for 60% more production if you take Cam out. That’s completely unreasonable. Cam is in the top 5 in the league in rushing TD’s. Kimara, Cook and Henry ant the only ones ahead of him. Guys like Chubb, Gibson, Drake and Robinson are below him. Hell the rushing TD we got two days ago does not happen if it’s a routine handoff. He’s also the second leading rusher in yards on the team.

I’m telling you right now there is no reality in which you just take him off the field and the loss is made up by handing off. It’s not a real scenario.

And no, Brady was much better than just an offense designed around dumpoffs. He was a lethal mid to intermediate passer and could kill teams from the slot. He was a master at identifying coverage up front and making perfect strikes. Teams showed a lot of deference to Brady’s passing abilities. Stidham has defenses that don’t care about him still selling out for the run and he can only occasionally do a dump off.

As far as the Harry throw, Cam had better deep balls thrown to Harry in the 2nd quarter of the Rams game than Stidham has ever thrown and he gave Edelman his best game of his career. I don’t really need to over analyze an incompletion that wasn’t that impressive. We can go looking for different passes, but I can promise you for every decent incompletion Stidham has I’ll find a pass that was better from Cam that actually got completed.

Cam’s been very bad. It’s not hard for someone to out pass him. The fact that Stidham hasn’t been able to make himself a no brainer says a lot more about him and what his career prospects will be

 

[Lagaffe_07]

I think anybody who has watched this season has to just take it as the coaching staff is very low on Stidham. He got passed for Newton almost immediately, he got dropped to third on the depth chart, when we needed a different starter vs KC they went right to Hoyer, despite some blowouts where Stidham got to play they never felt compelled to give him a shot starting, Belichick gets actively angry when asked about it and McDaniels had to come out and basically say “I’ve watched this guy a good deal of time, I’m confidant I know where he is at”.

Hoyer performance was better that 3/4 of Cam and he was benched.

If the coaching staff was thinking that Stidham was as bad as you think he is, Hoyer would be the back up, not him.

i am pretty confident on saying that if Stidham or even Hoyer had played against LAR and MIA the offense would have at least scored a TD.

I am a point where I 100% think we could have Fitzpatrick as a backup and Bill would still play Cam.

The way Bill treats Cam this year, I am pretty confident that he will be back next year. Every press conference Bill makes excuse for Cam play.

 

[masterbouncer]

That’s mean nothing because we basically give the ball to Cam inside the 5 everytime. If we handed the ball to our running back instead inside the 5. Our RB will have 12 rushing TDs.

THANK YOU!!!
Some pretend like those 4-5 RB we have on the roster would not be able to run in the EZ behind this great run blocking OL anyway whether Cam is there or not...

This is not Cam from 2014, this is Cam from 2020, he is slow, he gets chased down by DL not CB, he is moving like an elephant with 3 legs and he can't throw...
he is still the best option as Stidham obsiously is not where he should be, but will he improve next year and be pro ready? not sure about that anymore

hope BB can get some real QB in the off-season and does not think he has to bring Cam back, don't want him as a back-up either, full re-load on QB if needed but no Cam for gods sake

 

[203Pat]

Cam is just used as a battering ram at the goal line and it seems like DC's have figured that out at this point in the season.