By the numbers: Patricia's offense downright offensive

[Ghost_Rush02]

Gee whiz! Lots more love on here for Matt Patricia than I expected. It's not Matt who is turning the ball over. Eliminate the mistakes and this team will be fine.

We all have a small simple size, yes the turnovers aren't on him(Patricia) but what keeps being missed is. He, Mac is being asked to look for Parker more..which is fine but a lot of times Parker is blanketed but Mac still throws it cause he is asked to do so..

.thats what the coaches want..no they don't want the turnovers obviously..

Patriots insiders are saying the same exact thing..as of right now he is being asked to just throw it opposed to reading and changing anything up.

 

[Pats1971]

We all have a small simple size, yes the turnovers aren't on him(Patricia) but what keeps being missed is. He, Mac is being asked to look for Parker more..which is fine but a lot of times Parker is blanketed but Mac still throws it cause he is asked to do so..

.thats what the coaches want..no they don't want the turnovers obviously..

Patriots insiders are saying the same exact thing..as of right now he is being asked to just throw it opposed to reading and changing anything up.

Why do you think Mac is being asked to look for parker more? Im not sure thats how they run plays. They run a play for a guy if that guy is not open you go to another read.

 

[venecol]

I'll say it again, because I've only said it a million times, but... the biggest offensive innovators have been Andy Reid and Bill Belichick. People talk about this so-called newfangled Shanahan / McVay modern offense. Great! They put up huge points during the regular season. Then sputter in the most crucial games. I guess I'm one of the few no impressed by the 49ers and Rams performances in the playoffs.

Yes, you've made your point well known. Over and over again.

 

[upstater1]

Yes, you've made your point well known. Over and over again.

And you? You never repeat yourself!!!

 

[upstater1]

The goal post is not moved at all...

I already said he did a solid job here, I also said I preferred Flores over him....felt the team played better

and seeing how you are who you are, I will definitely have to bring in stats to show the pats dee with flores was at yhe helm compare to when Patricia was here. Again I said he did a solid job

But also said my personal preference was flores..these comments by my is stating you are not wrong for saying he did a good job here which I recognized again saying it...

I feel Flores was better.

But still what he did here as a DC means nothing in terms of being an OC.

Which alot of people are talked about and touched on...questioning him as an OC...

Is that acceptable to you or people both fans n media are "too spoiled " to have concerns?

UGH.

The post I responded to said Patricia was overrated and sneaky bad.

 

[Ian]

I had no use for Patricia even before the season started so you'll get no argument from me that he shouldn't be replaced. The offense looks stagnant... there's not enough pre-snap motion and there's been no effort to set up play action passing. It's been pretty straight forward passing or running plays. This obvious effort to open up the passing game has be considered a disappointment at this point because of the resulting INTs. Bourne being marginalized by the coaching staff has seemingly hurt the offense too. Clearly Mac doesn't like it either. I'll grade the play calling a C- so far.

All this said, I don't see any circumstance where the team moves away from Patricia as the play caller for the remainder of the season at least. They just can't reverse course at this point. New offense, with new coordinators, and a new play caller... it's only week 3 and Bill's going to wave the white flag on his chosen operation? Not happening.

The Patriots lead the NFL in INTs (5) and they're 2nd in turnovers (8). Most of that falls on poor player execution so they need to clean that up. That's got to be the top priority.

I will say they've made progress over each of the last few weeks, albeit in somewhat frustrating fashion. Again, I've been critical and I'm willing to be open-minded since it's only Week 4. We'll revisit it and I think by midseason we'll have a better feel for whether or not things are as bad at times as we've seen or if some of the bright spots really are signs that they'll potentially turn it around. It just stinks because Mac's injury stops the progress and hits the "pause" button until he gets back.

 

[upstater1]

You can't be serious. He won the mvp for plenty of reasons 1. Being the scheme the ravens put in for him worked...again going back to my original point.

Doesn't matter If they won or not in terms of the context I plainly stated. And the ravens weren't the only example or team I nameD.

You continuing to comparing the ravens to the pats in terms of wins and loses in the playoffs isn't helping your argument.

when 1. Hasn't done it yet


2. The owner himself spoke about the lack of playoffs winning recently being frustrating. I guess he should relax too because the process "just started"

I can't be serious about what? I stated an absolute fact.

There is no disputing it.

It doesn't matter how serious or unserious anyone is about a fact.

They lost.

 

[Ghost_Rush02]

Why do you think Mac is being asked to look for parker more? Im not sure thats how they run plays. They run a play for a guy if that guy is not open you go to another read.

It's been reported/rumored as much. And stats show it too.

 

[Sicilian]

I go back and forth on this, because in the end the buck stops with the coaches. The offense looks out of sync at times, and Patricia's job goes beyond just calling the plays on game day. If he is the de facto OC, he's also responsible for overseeing the play design, and making sure that players understand their assignments within that play before they take the field (obviously funneled through the position coaches, and with Bill hovering around as well).

But there are two reasons I give Patricia a bit of a pass, at least early in the season:

1) It does feel like the biggest problem is turnovers, and those turnovers have happened either because of bad reads or straight up not taking care of the ball (like Agholor's fumbles). Again, ultimately, Patricia is responsible for making sure those things don't happen, but I want to see how well things improve in that regard, as it's not always as simple as getting it perfect the first time.

2) There really weren't many sure fire OC's just waiting on the market for them to bring in to replace McDaniels. The two we heard about the most were O'Brien (which in hindsight, it didn't seem like there was two way interest there, at least for this season) and Adam Gase, who I doubt anyone would have been very excited for. The other alternative was promoting Calley, but there's no guarantee he's ready for that yet, or promoting Mick Lombardi (if he was interested) instead of letting McDaniels take him as his OC. But it's not like that duo is tearing it up in LV right now either.

Patricia needs to be better (as does the whole offense) especially now that he's gotta work with a career journeyman under center. But I don't think the struggles have been all his fault.

 

[Ghost_Rush02]

I can't be serious about what? I stated an absolute fact.

There is no disputing it.

It doesn't matter how serious or unserious anyone is about a fact.

They lost.

You can't be serious about not understanding the ravens (among other teams) gear their offense toward their QBs strengths.

And they lost and bb hasn't won since. Also a fact.

 

[upstater1]

You can't be serious about not understanding the ravens (among other teams) gear their offense toward their QBs strengths.

And they lost and bb hasn't won since. Also a fact.

This would fall under the category of: THINGS I NEVER SAID.

Enjoy arguing with your imaginary ME.

 

[Ghost_Rush02]

This would fall under the category of: THINGS I NEVER SAID.

Enjoy arguing with your imaginary ME.

Ahh yea, ok.

Your post act like you don't or didn't understand. I sure didn't accuse you of saying anything you didn't say.

 

[Sfpat]

It's been reported as much.

Link? I live outside of NE so I don't get all of the local reporting

 

[Ghost_Rush02]

Link? I live outside of NE so I don't get all of the local reporting

Sure give me a few from driving to reply back.

 

[upstater1]

Ahh yea, ok.

Your post act like you don't or didn't understand. I sure didn't accuse you of saying anything you didn't say.

Never said a single thing about the Ravens tailoring their offense to Lamar Jackson. Prove it!

It's totally irrelevant in every respect to anything being discussed. Which is why I never said it.

Have no idea what you're going on about.

It's not like the posts I made aren't in this thread. They are. Find it, then link

 

[crawhammer]

I will say they've made progress over each of the last few weeks, albeit in somewhat frustrating fashion. Again, I've been critical and I'm willing to be open-minded since it's only Week 4. We'll revisit it and I think by midseason we'll have a better feel for whether or not things are as bad at times as we've seen or if some of the bright spots really are signs that they'll potentially turn it around. It just stinks because Mac's injury stops the progress and hits the "pause" button until he gets back.

Agreed. While I think the schedule counterbalances the loss of Mac to a point where Hoyer can get them through with a favorable record, Mac is going to miss out on a golden opportunity to really work out some kinks against lesser opponents.

 

[crawhammer]

I'll say it again, because I've only said it a million times, but... the biggest offensive innovators have been Andy Reid and Bill Belichick. People talk about this so-called newfangled Shanahan / McVay modern offense. Great! They put up huge points during the regular season. Then sputter in the most crucial games. I guess I'm one of the few no impressed by the 49ers and Rams performances in the playoffs.

McVay has been hugely successful to start his head coaching career. 4 division titles in 6 seasons, 2 Super Bowl appearances, and 1 Super Bowl title. This with Jared Goff for 4 seasons. Then won a Super Bowl with Stafford who hadn't won a single playoff game in 12 previous seasons.

Shanahan hasn't had the right quarterback for his system. Lance may be that eventually. Garoppolo has let Shanahan down twice in the postseason... including an epic 4th quarter fail in SB 54.

Andy Reid is an offensive innovator. Won a lot of games with McNabb, an inaccurate passer. Had a highly functional offense with Alex Smith who was a total lost cause until he hooked up with Reid. Reid's offense has been all-world with Mahomes from day one.

I'm not sure how you're labelling Belichick as one of "the biggest offensive innovators." I don't think that has actual merit.

 

[goheels22002]

We all have a small simple size, yes the turnovers aren't on him(Patricia) but what keeps being missed is. He, Mac is being asked to look for Parker more..which is fine but a lot of times Parker is blanketed but Mac still throws it cause he is asked to do so..

.thats what the coaches want..no they don't want the turnovers obviously..

Patriots insiders are saying the same exact thing..as of right now he is being asked to just throw it opposed to reading and changing anything up.

That's an interesting take on the situation. I don't know, but the actual data tell another story. Mac Jones completed passes to seven different Patriots receivers against the Ravens and targeted Lil Jordan Humphrey as well. Against the Steelers, he targeted nine players and completed passes to six receivers.

Yeah, there was that bad interception into coverage where there were three Ravens around Parker, but I cannot believe that the order was throw to Parker even if you see triple coverage. Mac knows better than that. This kid is an experienced big-time program QB. @Deus Irae and some of us had a discussion of the interceptions against the Ravens, and I agree with him that the receivers are partially to blame. Parker has to earn Mac's trust.

On more than one occasion we saw Parker look like he wasn't sure where he was supposed to go. That is why Meyers is so often the check down - both because Meyers gets to the open space in the defense and he knows when to be the 3rd or 4th option.

I'd like to see much heavier reliance on Hunter Henry and Jonnu Smith. Henry is a great route-runner and Smith is a YAC machine if you get him the ball on quick slants or in the backfield. But that's me and i have no business pretending that I know what plays to call in real time.

 

[ashley]

McVay has been hugely successful to start his head coaching career. 4 division titles in 6 seasons, 2 Super Bowl appearances, and 1 Super Bowl title. This with Jared Goff for 4 seasons. Then won a Super Bowl with Stafford who hadn't won a single playoff game in 12 previous seasons.

He was totally outcoached in his first SB against us but he's young and may have learned from it. We'll see how he does this year, he has one of the most talented teams in the league again and I think they'll be a problem come playoff time in the weak NFC.

 

[notex]

We all have a small simple size, yes the turnovers aren't on him(Patricia) but what keeps being missed is. He, Mac is being asked to look for Parker more..which is fine but a lot of times Parker is blanketed but Mac still throws it cause he is asked to do so..

.thats what the coaches want..no they don't want the turnovers obviously..

Patriots insiders are saying the same exact thing..as of right now he is being asked to just throw it opposed to reading and changing anything up.

I am highly skeptical that BB/Patricia are telling Mac to "Just throw it" rather than go through his reads...