By the numbers: Patricia's offense downright offensive

[notex]

Someone show me evidence that this is all Patricia's fault? There are plenty of examples that we've all seen that show Mac Jones is making the wrong reads/throws and causing turnovers.

I'd love to be shown examples of Patricia's catastrophic playcalling.... I will, however, admit that I think he needs to get his head out his *** when it comes to Kendrick Bourne, who has seized every opportunity he's been given this year. get him on the field.

 

[JMC00]

The one thing I will knock Patricia for. Bourne, get over whatever it is. This guy just makes catches. Like what the **** you doing here. That first pick while it was a poor decision by Jones. Why is Humphrey running a deep route there?

Kendrick Bourne leads the NFL in Catch Score since 2021

Bourne technically just missed our qualifying cutoff, but his 91 Catch Score over the past two seasons was too strong a result to ignore. It's surprising, not only because Bourne isn't a big name but because he has had a hard time getting on the field for New England in 2022. In fact, if we lowered the qualifying threshold to include Bourne, he would have ranked third overall in 2021 and would be first from the start of 2021 to now.

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Top 10 WRs and TEs In Catch Score:

(for 2021-2022, including postseason, with minimum 70 targets)

1. Kendrick Bourne: 91
2. Tyler Lockett: 85
3. Adam Thielen: 83
4. Amari Cooper: 81
5. Christian Kirk: 79
6. Marvin Jones Jr.: 78
7. Michael Pittman Jr.: 76
8. Cooper Kupp: 75
9. . Mark Andrews: 74
10. Terry McLaurin: 74

You can see some of the evidence of Bourne's Catch Score prowess in his box score stats. Since the 2021 season, he has caught 79% of his targets. While his 9.2 air yards per target is not exceptionally deep, it's slightly longer than stars such as Kupp or Keenan Allen (Chargers), and yet Bourne has a higher catch rate than either.

Bourne's ranking doesn't necessarily mean he's one of the top three wideouts in the NFL. The RTMs are descriptive and not predictive, and Open Score -- his worst attribute -- is far more stable than the other two categories. Plus, Catch Score and YAC Score are reliant on openness; if a receiver isn't open, he'll have fewer opportunities to make catches and accrue YAC. While Bourne has been an extremely efficient (and underrated), he likely isn't quite that strong predictively.

For what it is worth, Bourne's 3.4 yards per route run this season ranks fourth among receivers and tight ends who have run at least 30 routes, behind Jaylen Waddle (Dolphins), Tyreek Hill (Dolphins) and A.J. Brown (Eagles). He has just seven catches for 115 yards, but perhaps he should play more snaps for the Patriots.

 

[upstater1]

Someone show me evidence that this is all Patricia's fault? There are plenty of examples that we've all seen that show Mac Jones is making the wrong reads/throws and causing turnovers.

I'd love to be shown examples of Patricia's catastrophic playcalling.... I will, however, admit that I think he needs to get his head out his *** when it comes to Kendrick Bourne, who has seized every opportunity he's been given this year. get him on the field.

Patricia's play calling has been pretty good. He's mixing things up.

That being said, what is the play design? If Patricia is not taking advantage of space, then we can see why Mac is having problems.

Patricia spoke to this during the press conference. He mentioned he wanted Mac to go downfield much more than the previous offense allowed. Well, Mac is leading the league in long throws through 3 weeks. But then Patricia added that they need to balance things out and not look downfield so much. Sounds like the problem is both Patricia and Mac.

As for Bourne, I trust the coaches to keep the players accountable. When the players do their own thing, it's never good, whether we're talking about Randy Moss, Adalius Thomas or Jamie Collins.

 

[Jim Beankie]

The one thing I will knock Patricia for. Bourne, get over whatever it is. This guy just makes catches. Like what the **** you doing here. That first pick while it was a poor decision by Jones. Why is Humphrey running a deep route there?

Unfortunately, Bourne had a fumble, which made me groan and say, "You're not helping your cause!"

 

[TheRainMaker]

Should he hire old guys or new young guys?

Make up your mind!

What are you talking about?

 

[venecol]

Not at all. First pick was on Jones and his continued obsession of forcing it to Parker when he should look through his progression. Didn't even trying look off to try to fake the LBers dropping as if he had no idea they were there which he clearly didn't. 100% on him for not just checking down to Harris who was wide open but instead Jones had his mind made up to go to Parker before the ball was even snapped




This play makes me actually concerned that Pats will be looking for another guy in a year or 2. The kid didn't even once look to see if the LBers had bit or dropped. Just snap, eye Parker down, throw. Tom Brady checks that down to Damien Harris.

Maybe Jones needs to learn that it's ok to throw it away. Aaron Rodgers has made a career of throwing it away because he adopted the "an incompletion is better than an interception" mindset.

Rodgers would rather go 25 for 50 2 TD 0 INTs and lose than 40 for 50 2 TD and 4 INT and Win.

Only thing I can question Patricia on this was why was it Humphrey going out and not Agholor or Bourne.

Rumor is Patricia is telling him to run the plays called. There were several examples of this happening. If true, no wonder why Mac is so frustrated.

 

[Toofy]

Patricia is fine. It's just that in quest of deeper throws Mac is refusing to see other open players . So the issue I see is that Mac is locked onto one receiver. Earlier Mac used to do lot more checkdowns and Meyers used to help him in intermediate routes and move the chains . With Bourne not there Mac needs to make plays and having growing pains .

Next game would have given us a better indication of mac's progress but he got hurt . For now, he looks crappy but maybe that's part of the design to get Mac to ditch his safe throws and increase his bag of tricks .

What if agaholor did not fumble ?
What is our defense did multiple 3 and outs with the Ravens?

Outcome could have been different. I am critical of Mac but again I feel he is not put in a best position to succeed. This game was more a trial of how Mac can go with deeper throws. Probably bill and Patricia realize that without these throws we cannot go deep into playoffs, hence experimenting it out early in season.

 

[venecol]

The big reason is our turnovers. If we eliminate them, our offense will put up more points and we will start winning. That is the main problem with the offense and throw in untimely penalties as well.

Which makes this team very un-Patriot like. In fact, the last three seasons have been plagued with these same issues. Sorry, but that's on the coaching. Need to prepare the team better.

You can't give the coaches credit for how well they had their teams prepared with low TOs and penalties during the dynasty & then blame the players when the opposite happens. I mean, 12-men on the field penalty on D again, same as last season. WTF.

 

[ashley]

Which makes this team very un-Patriot like. In fact, the last three seasons have been plagued with these same issues. Sorry, but that's on the coaching. Need to prepare the team better.

You can't give the coaches credit for how well they had their teams prepared with low TOs and penalties during the dynasty & then blame the players when the opposite happens. I mean, 12-men on the field penalty on D again, same as last season. WTF.

Last year wasn't that bad and we still made the playoffs with a rookie qb. The year before with Cam was bad, in fact I remember two Cam late turnovers that cost us games. I'm not sure how you can blame coaches if players fumble like Agholor did two times this year. Hopefully, we cut down on these and if we do, we'll have a chance to win.

 

[A Defiant Goose]

Rumor is Patricia is telling him to run the plays called. There were several examples of this happening. If true, no wonder why Mac is so frustrated.

I could've sworn this rumor was only about the preseason

 

[upstater1]

What are you talking about?

I'm asking you.

Are you saying we should hire Capers types? Older established DCs and OCs.

Or are you saying we should hire new youngish "innovative" guys ?

Because the refrain over the last several weeks has been decidedly against the older guys.

 

[venecol]

I'm asking you.

Are you saying we should hire Capers types? Older established DCs and OCs.

Or are you saying we should hire new youngish "innovative" guys ?

Because the refrain over the last several weeks has been decidedly against the older guys.

Need younger guys that can both relate with the younger players and come up with innovative or modern schemes. There are only two dinosaurs left: Belichick & Carrol. Reid is up there but still <65 and he's still pretty creative.

 

[signbabybrady]

Rumor is Patricia is telling him to run the plays called. There were several examples of this happening. If true, no wonder why Mac is so frustrated.

Complaining for the sake of complaining much?

Oh my god the play caller wants him to run the plays he called how frustrating.

We've clearly seen make audible plenty of times this year. He was credited for this during the 6 minute game ending drive vs Pitt. And it's also been pointed out that the pick in the end zone to Parker vs Balt was changed and Parker missed the call. Just to give you a few examples.

 

[crawhammer]

I had no use for Patricia even before the season started so you'll get no argument from me that he shouldn't be replaced. The offense looks stagnant... there's not enough pre-snap motion and there's been no effort to set up play action passing. It's been pretty straight forward passing or running plays. This obvious effort to open up the passing game has be considered a disappointment at this point because of the resulting INTs. Bourne being marginalized by the coaching staff has seemingly hurt the offense too. Clearly Mac doesn't like it either. I'll grade the play calling a C- so far.

All this said, I don't see any circumstance where the team moves away from Patricia as the play caller for the remainder of the season at least. They just can't reverse course at this point. New offense, with new coordinators, and a new play caller... it's only week 3 and Bill's going to wave the white flag on his chosen operation? Not happening.

The Patriots lead the NFL in INTs (5) and they're 2nd in turnovers (8). Most of that falls on poor player execution so they need to clean that up. That's got to be the top priority.

 

[upstater1]

Need younger guys that can both relate with the younger players and come up with innovative or modern schemes. There are only two dinosaurs left: Belichick & Carrol. Reid is up there but still <65 and he's still pretty creative.

I'll say it again, because I've only said it a million times, but... the biggest offensive innovators have been Andy Reid and Bill Belichick. People talk about this so-called newfangled Shanahan / McVay modern offense. Great! They put up huge points during the regular season. Then sputter in the most crucial games. I guess I'm one of the few no impressed by the 49ers and Rams performances in the playoffs.

 

[Ian]

I'll say it again, because I've only said it a million times, but... the biggest offensive innovators have been Andy Reid and Bill Belichick. People talk about this so-called newfangled Shanahan / McVay modern offense. Great! They put up huge points during the regular season. Then sputter in the most crucial games. I guess I'm one of the few no impressed by the 49ers and Rams performances in the playoffs.

Belichick doesn't get rattled in key moments, which is why he's continued to hold the edge in that regard. Obviously, with McDaniels gone, they decided to start implementing some of the things from those schemes and if they can ever get it all figured out, it would be nice to see how they might fare in January. It's just that losing the opener and letting last week slip away is going to create somewhat of an uphill battle. The only positive is the fact that the Conference is pretty diverse at this point and has no clearcut team running away with things. Now it's just going to come down to how well they can keep pace until Mac gets back.

 

[Pats1971]

Complaining for the sake of complaining much?

Oh my god the play caller wants him to run the plays he called how frustrating.

We've clearly seen make audible plenty of times this year. He was credited for this during the 6 minute game ending drive vs Pitt. And it's also been pointed out that the pick in the end zone to Parker vs Balt was changed and Parker missed the call. Just to give you a few examples.

There is a difference on a missed call and throwing a bad ball. Mac threw a bad ball. I dont care what route he ran he was not getting that catch with where the defender was. It was a bad decision and a bad throw.

 

[Ghost_Rush02]

The year Lamar was MVP the Ravens were 14-2 and had a bye. They didn't win that year either.

9 years is a very long time. You get 3 or 4 years to rebuild.

Saying he hasn't won in 3 years is meaningless when compared to 9 years, because by the 9th year you've had more than enough chance to build a winning playoff team.

You can't be serious. He won the mvp for plenty of reasons 1. Being the scheme the ravens put in for him worked...again going back to my original point.

Doesn't matter If they won or not in terms of the context I plainly stated. And the ravens weren't the only example or team I nameD.

You continuing to comparing the ravens to the pats in terms of wins and loses in the playoffs isn't helping your argument.

when 1. Hasn't done it yet


2. The owner himself spoke about the lack of playoffs winning recently being frustrating. I guess he should relax too because the process "just started"

 

[goheels22002]

Gee whiz! Lots more love on here for Matt Patricia than I expected. It's not Matt who is turning the ball over. Eliminate the mistakes and this team will be fine.

 

[Ghost_Rush02]

You're moving the goalposts.

Are you always like this?

What you said about Patricia as DC is easy to find up above, you said he was only good. I said he was the top guy and I showed why.

But beyond all that, my defense of Patricia as a DC was in response to someone who called him overrated and sneaky bad.

Whoever holds any of these views I'm quoting doesn't know the first thing about football and should take up another hobby.

The goal post is not moved at all...

I already said he did a solid job here, I also said I preferred Flores over him....felt the team played better

and seeing how you are who you are, I will definitely have to bring in stats to show the pats dee with flores was at yhe helm compare to when Patricia was here. Again I said he did a solid job

But also said my personal preference was flores..these comments by my is stating you are not wrong for saying he did a good job here which I recognized again saying it...

I feel Flores was better.

But still what he did here as a DC means nothing in terms of being an OC.

Which alot of people are talked about and touched on...questioning him as an OC...

Is that acceptable to you or people both fans n media are "too spoiled " to have concerns?