Broncos: Easiest path to the #1 seed ever?

[the Patriot]

Sorry, I don't put Patriotism before the game itself. Manning's an all time great and he's a personal friend of Tom's. That speaks much louder than the cherry picked stats of fans. Anybody calling himself a fan of Tom who denigrates his friend and fellow great QB is not a fan of this sport. That's my bottom line. I will defend it at times. I know, I know, this means I'm mentally defective because I don't put the personality cult above the sport. Fine.

BTW, I would defend Marino, Fran Tarkenton, Jim Kelly and a few others just as quickly as Manning. It's the principle, not the personality.

That really doesn't make much sense, bro.

 

[ivanvamp]

I don't understand Pats fans here putting Denver down. They are a top quality team. They have a HOF quarterback playing at an MVP level. They have a top 5 defense. They have one of the biggest home field advantages in the sport. They are really, really good and beating them in Denver will require the Pats to bring their A game for sure. No question they have the ability to beat the Patriots should they meet in the playoffs.

That said, I don't understand Broncos' fans perspective either. The facts is that New England soundly whipped Denver the first time they played, and they've abused Denver's defense in the last 3 matchups, which all basically had the same group of players and scheme on Denver's part. I do not see why Denver's defense would be any better equipped to handle the Pats' offense this time around.

I could see either team winning, and essentially no result would surprise me, except for a Denver blowout win. That I wouldn't see happening, but I could see pretty much anything ranging from a modest Denver win (~10 point margin) to a close Denver win to a close New England win to a modest or big New England win.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Sorry, I don't put Patriotism before the game itself. Manning's an all time great and he's a personal friend of Tom's. That speaks much louder than the cherry picked stats of fans. Anybody calling himself a fan of Tom who denigrates his friend and fellow great QB is not a fan of this sport. That's my bottom line. I will defend it at times. I know, I know, this means I'm mentally defective because I don't put the personality cult above the sport. Fine.

BTW, I would defend Marino, Fran Tarkenton, Jim Kelly and a few others just as quickly as Manning. It's the principle, not the personality.

Lmao-that's as bizarre a response as i have seen lately.

Those weren't "cherry picked stats" they were an accurate depiction of the difference between Brady and Manning when it comes to the play-offs, and your inability to address them in any way demonstrate just how completely his argument decimated yours.

 

[Ring 6]

Sorry, I don't put Patriotism before the game itself. Manning's an all time great and he's a personal friend of Tom's. That speaks much louder than the cherry picked stats of fans. Anybody calling himself a fan of Tom who denigrates his friend and fellow great QB is not a fan of this sport. That's my bottom line. I will defend it at times. I know, I know, this means I'm mentally defective because I don't put the personality cult above the sport. Fine.

BTW, I would defend Marino, Fran Tarkenton, Jim Kelly and a few others just as quickly as Manning. It's the principle, not the personality.

You can't be serious.
How is his citing his actual play on the football field denigrating him? Manning has been subpar in the playoffs, that is simply a fact. Do you wish that it gets ignored because you percieve he is friends with Brady? For real?

 

[Deus Irae]

Sorry, I don't put Patriotism before the game itself. Manning's an all time great and he's a personal friend of Tom's. That speaks much louder than the cherry picked stats of fans. Anybody calling himself a fan of Tom who denigrates his friend and fellow great QB is not a fan of this sport. That's my bottom line. I will defend it at times. I know, I know, this means I'm mentally defective because I don't put the personality cult above the sport. Fine.

BTW, I would defend Marino, Fran Tarkenton, Jim Kelly and a few others just as quickly as Manning. It's the principle, not the personality.

1.) Your defense of Manning was hysterical and misplaced.

2.) Your defense of Manning via Brady comparison sucked. Manning fares horribly in comparison to Brady in the playoffs, as I demonstrated.

3.) I don't care if Manning is Brady's BFF. Manning is what he is, and that's a subpar playoff performer.

4.) Marino was a choking dog, too.

5.) Your principle, at least as applied, is wrongheaded.

 

[Haterproof]

7-1 at home WOWEEEEE!!

Who did your team play at home ALL year?......IIAC there isn't ONE playoff team that your team beat in Denver......except the ONLY game with one playoff team .....and your freaking team LOST.

The Chargers,Raiders,Chiefs,Browns,Bucs ect ...... What a tough home schedule!

What makes YOU think YOUR team can beat a SB contender at home after beating scrubs at home all year and losing to the only talented team you faced?

Which is why I think the Pats would defeat Denver in the AFCCG if it came down to it. Yes Denver has the longest winning streak heading into the playoffs. How do the Broncos know if they've progressed as a team with that joke of a schedule? NE is way more battle tested than Denver. You guys can call me crazy. But I think the loss to SF was the best thing that could've happen to this team. I loved the fight the Pats put up in that game. It kinda reminded me of our 2001 regular season vs the Rams. SF is no where near as talented as that team was. I really like our chances if we meet up with the 49ers again in the SB!

 

[Claremonster]

You mean the year his defense bailed him out, when he had 3 TD and 7 ints and no QB rating above an 81 in any of the 4 playoff games????

Don't forget about Rex Grossman at qb. He was a quality opponent no doubt.

 

[Claremonster]

1.) Your defense of Manning was hysterical and misplaced.

2.) Your defense of Manning via Brady comparison sucked. Manning fares horribly in comparison to Brady in the playoffs, as I demonstrated.

3.) I don't care if Manning is Brady's BFF. Manning is what he is, and that's a subpar playoff performer.

4.) Marino was a choking dog, too.

5.) Your principle, at least as applied, is wrongheaded.

Well, look at his avatar, then look at his username. He smokes banana peels for breakfast.

 

[TinhWoodhead]

Denver would probably have the same record had Tim Tebow been the QB this year.

 

[Claremonster]

Sorry, I don't put Patriotism before the game itself. Manning's an all time great and he's a personal friend of Tom's. That speaks much louder than the cherry picked stats of fans. Anybody calling himself a fan of Tom who denigrates his friend and fellow great QB is not a fan of this sport. That's my bottom line. I will defend it at times. I know, I know, this means I'm mentally defective because I don't put the personality cult above the sport. Fine.

BTW, I would defend Marino, Fran Tarkenton, Jim Kelly and a few others just as quickly as Manning. It's the principle, not the personality.

 

[DENVERBRONCOS2012]

Read the post again. I'm not talking about all the opponents, just the ones you beat. Your team made it the easy way because they lost to real threats (NE, HOU and ATL) and won against the easy ones.

You cherry picked numbers but do not realize that by doing so you exposed the fact that the broncos had a fairly competitive schedule at 46%.

Hey, the pats lost to a real bad team and struggled against the jags recently...see what I did there.

 

[DENVERBRONCOS2012]

Denver may have had the easiest road to their seed, that's debatable, however they have the hardest road to winning the Super bowl, as to do so they have to win 14 in a row, and the only team to do that in the last 15 years was the 2003 Patriots. Long winning streaks entering the play-offs seem to be a real problem in terms of winning the tournament.

Yeah but the pats have yet this season to win on the road against a winning team. And the broncos are best at their own turf. So how do the broncos have a tough road to the SB? Arent we going by this season data or should I pull the fact that the broncos own the pats all time?

 

[DENVERBRONCOS2012]

DEN went 7-1 at home. Those 7 teams they beat at home combined for a 17-39 record on the road (0.30357 W-L%).
NE went 6-2 at home. Those 6 teams they beat at home combined for a 23-25 record on the road (0.47917 W-L%).

DEN went 6-2 on the road. Those 6 teams they beat on the road combined for a 20-28 record at home (0.41667 W-L%).
NE went 6-2 on the road. Those 6 teams they beat on the road combined for a 21-27 record at home (0.43750 W-L%).

'Nuff said.

And yet the pats still havent beat a winning team on the road.

Nice job cherry picking stats but us rational folks arent buying it. You can post the broncos record for a portion of the season all you want but you also fail to talk about the 2-14 record of the chiefs skewing those numbers....thats spin buddy

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Yeah but the pats have yet this season to win on the road against a winning team. And the broncos are best at their own turf. So how do the broncos have a tough road to the SB? Arent we going by this season data or should I pull the fact that the broncos own the pats all time?

wow you talk a lot of smack for a guy whose team gave up 100+ points to the patriots combined in the last 3 meetings.

to answer your question, the broncos probably have just as tough a road to the super bowl as the patriots. we likely have to go through each other to get there. however, the patriots faced tougher defenses all season, including seattle, houston and san francisco. denver has not faced as many tough teams all year and as a result is not battle tested. to win the super bowl denver has to win 14 games in a row - not easy.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

And yet the pats still havent beat a winning team on the road.

Nice job cherry picking stats but us rational folks arent buying it. You can post the broncos record for a portion of the season all you want but you also fail to talk about the 2-14 record of the chiefs skewing those numbers....thats spin buddy

what's your point regarding the patriots not beating a winning team on the road? they only played 2 winning teams on the road and came close to beating them both. all we know is the broncos haven't beaten the patriots since McD was their coach.

 

[Deus Irae]

You cherry picked numbers but do not realize that by doing so you exposed the fact that the broncos had a fairly competitive schedule at 46%.

Hey, the pats lost to a real bad team and struggled against the jags recently...see what I did there.

Your lack of reading comprehension does not mean that the other poster "exposed" anything.

 

[Archeryaddict12]

And yet the pats still havent beat a winning team on the road.

Nice job cherry picking stats but us rational folks arent buying it. You can post the broncos record for a portion of the season all you want but you also fail to talk about the 2-14 record of the chiefs skewing those numbers....thats spin buddy

So wait you guys have managed maybe 60 points in 3 meetings to our 100+. We can score 40 at your stadium as well as ours in the cold. Just face it, broncos aren't as good, manning isn't as good as Brady and your D isn't as good as ours. That's why we win.


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[broncosgc]

i tried lurking for as long as i can but i eventually couldnt resist..

i think NE fans have every right to feel confident but some are going above and beyond to try and convince themselves Denver isn't a good team... easiest path to the #1 seed ever... wow talk about sour grapes... put the haterade down, lol... its not a good look...

as far as the schedule... at the start of the season the schedule was considered the 2nd toughest in the nfl, now its a cupcake...
Denver played 5 playoff teams and numerous bubble playoff teams... they lost to the Texans,Falcons and Pats early on and beat the Bengals and Ravens... the 3 losses have been debated to death on here... Denver's defense shut down the Saints offense, and beat teams that at the time were very much in playoff contention such as TB, SD, and Pit... the Broncos are winning and win convincingly... beating every team by a TD or more... that doesnt happen often in this league... at the end of the day, trying to discredit a team's wins wreaks of desperation... it just isnt a good look...

when NE lost to the cards i didnt blink, i knew the Pats were still a top team... its not easy to win against nfl calibur teams week to week... an 11 game win streak says something about a team whether you want to admit it or not...

teams arent usually arent the same all season long... a lot happens in 4 months... at midseason, the Bears and Texans each looked like the best teams in football while NE and Den were 4-3... and look now...

as a broncos fan, i am concerned about the Pats becasue theyre a good team... they have a dangerous offense to go along with an improving defense... how a Pats fan can say they arent at all concerned about a team that went 13-3, that has a top 5 off, top 5 defense and top pass rush in football and top 3 run defense... and reason being because they beat them 3 months ago by 10 at home is a bit delusional in my humble opinion...

as stated earlier, i am sure the Pats arent the same as when Denver played them last, and i'm sure you can give numerous reasons why... let me touch on how Denver is different...

first off, its a waste to mention the Pats dominance of Denver's d last year... Denver has 8 different on defense from last year... almost complete turnover and also a different defensive coordinator...

however even from when DenNE played this year it is vastly different... not just chemistry wise, but personnel wise... Denver's biggest problem was its coverage LBs against NE... the short passing game crushed them... Joe Mays was the starting mlb and the #1 problem... he couldnt cover and he struggled against the run... he's been since long benched... woodyard and DJ Williams have been our coverage LBs now and have both been much better... also, porter was a starting corner at the time and omar bolden was the 3rd corner... both have been demoted and chris harris has been moved up and tony carter... carter-harris-champ enjoyed a terrific reg season in coverage... if you face Denver this time Brady will be facing a different secondary and LB crew... DJ williams was suspended at the time, he's back and our corners have been terrific... personnell wise the defense is much different and add the chemistry built since, Denver is a different defense now...

none of this means that Denver wins if they play, it just means that putting so much stock into the last game played as the reason for victory is poor logic... both Den and NE are different now...

also, Denver's special teams has improved since... Holiday is a dangerous return man that wasnt on the roster when Den last played NE...

as of now Denver passes the ball at a high level, runs the ball effectively, stops the run as good as any team, and rushes the passer as good as any team... why anyone would be excited about facing that is beyond me...

personally, i am very concerend about NE... they are a great team...

 

[ausbacker]

i tried lurking for as long as i can but i eventually couldnt resist..

i think NE fans have every right to feel confident but some are going above and beyond to try and convince themselves Denver isn't a good team... easiest path to the #1 seed ever... wow talk about sour grapes... put the haterade down, lol... its not a good look...

as far as the schedule... at the start of the season the schedule was considered the 2nd toughest in the nfl, now its a cupcake...
Denver played 5 playoff teams and numerous bubble playoff teams... they lost to the Texans,Falcons and Pats early on and beat the Bengals and Ravens... the 3 losses have been debated to death on here... Denver's defense shut down the Saints offense, and beat teams that at the time were very much in playoff contention such as TB, SD, and Pit... the Broncos are winning and win convincingly... beating every team by a TD or more... that doesnt happen often in this league... at the end of the day, trying to discredit a team's wins wreaks of desperation... it just isnt a good look...

when NE lost to the cards i didnt blink, i knew the Pats were still a top team... its not easy to win against nfl calibur teams week to week... an 11 game win streak says something about a team whether you want to admit it or not...

teams arent usually arent the same all season long... a lot happens in 4 months... at midseason, the Bears and Texans each looked like the best teams in football while NE and Den were 4-3... and look now...

as a broncos fan, i am concerned about the Pats becasue theyre a good team... they have a dangerous offense to go along with an improving defense... how a Pats fan can say they arent at all concerned about a team that went 13-3, that has a top 5 off, top 5 defense and top pass rush in football and top 3 run defense... and reason being because they beat them 3 months ago by 10 at home is a bit delusional in my humble opinion...

as stated earlier, i am sure the Pats arent the same as when Denver played them last, and i'm sure you can give numerous reasons why... let me touch on how Denver is different...

first off, its a waste to mention the Pats dominance of Denver's d last year... Denver has 8 different on defense from last year... almost complete turnover and also a different defensive coordinator...

however even from when DenNE played this year it is vastly different... not just chemistry wise, but personnel wise... Denver's biggest problem was its coverage LBs against NE... the short passing game crushed them... Joe Mays was the starting mlb and the #1 problem... he couldnt cover and he struggled against the run... he's been since long benched... woodyard and DJ Williams have been our coverage LBs now and have both been much better... also, porter was a starting corner at the time and omar bolden was the 3rd corner... both have been demoted and chris harris has been moved up and tony carter... carter-harris-champ enjoyed a terrific reg season in coverage... if you face Denver this time Brady will be facing a different secondary and LB crew... DJ williams was suspended at the time, he's back and our corners have been terrific... personnell wise the defense is much different and add the chemistry built since, Denver is a different defense now...

none of this means that Denver wins if they play, it just means that putting so much stock into the last game played as the reason for victory is poor logic... both Den and NE are different now...

also, Denver's special teams has improved since... Holiday is a dangerous return man that wasnt on the roster when Den last played NE...

as of now Denver passes the ball at a high level, runs the ball effectively, stops the run as good as any team, and rushes the passer as good as any team... why anyone would be excited about facing that is beyond me...

personally, i am very concerend about NE... they are a great team...

Patriots fans have every right to be confident facing the Broncos much in the same manner that Giants fans would be confident facing the Patriots - match ups.

 

[PatsWSB47]

i tried lurking for as long as i can but i eventually couldnt resist..

i think NE fans have every right to feel confident but some are going above and beyond to try and convince themselves Denver isn't a good team... easiest path to the #1 seed ever... wow talk about sour grapes... put the haterade down, lol... its not a good look...

as far as the schedule... at the start of the season the schedule was considered the 2nd toughest in the nfl, now its a cupcake...
Denver played 5 playoff teams and numerous bubble playoff teams... they lost to the Texans,Falcons and Pats early on and beat the Bengals and Ravens... the 3 losses have been debated to death on here... Denver's defense shut down the Saints offense, and beat teams that at the time were very much in playoff contention such as TB, SD, and Pit... the Broncos are winning and win convincingly... beating every team by a TD or more... that doesnt happen often in this league... at the end of the day, trying to discredit a team's wins wreaks of desperation... it just isnt a good look...

when NE lost to the cards i didnt blink, i knew the Pats were still a top team... its not easy to win against nfl calibur teams week to week... an 11 game win streak says something about a team whether you want to admit it or not...

teams arent usually arent the same all season long... a lot happens in 4 months... at midseason, the Bears and Texans each looked like the best teams in football while NE and Den were 4-3... and look now...

as a broncos fan, i am concerned about the Pats becasue theyre a good team... they have a dangerous offense to go along with an improving defense... how a Pats fan can say they arent at all concerned about a team that went 13-3, that has a top 5 off, top 5 defense and top pass rush in football and top 3 run defense... and reason being because they beat them 3 months ago by 10 at home is a bit delusional in my humble opinion...

as stated earlier, i am sure the Pats arent the same as when Denver played them last, and i'm sure you can give numerous reasons why... let me touch on how Denver is different...

first off, its a waste to mention the Pats dominance of Denver's d last year... Denver has 8 different on defense from last year... almost complete turnover and also a different defensive coordinator...

however even from when DenNE played this year it is vastly different... not just chemistry wise, but personnel wise... Denver's biggest problem was its coverage LBs against NE... the short passing game crushed them... Joe Mays was the starting mlb and the #1 problem... he couldnt cover and he struggled against the run... he's been since long benched... woodyard and DJ Williams have been our coverage LBs now and have both been much better... also, porter was a starting corner at the time and omar bolden was the 3rd corner... both have been demoted and chris harris has been moved up and tony carter... carter-harris-champ enjoyed a terrific reg season in coverage... if you face Denver this time Brady will be facing a different secondary and LB crew... DJ williams was suspended at the time, he's back and our corners have been terrific... personnell wise the defense is much different and add the chemistry built since, Denver is a different defense now...

none of this means that Denver wins if they play, it just means that putting so much stock into the last game played as the reason for victory is poor logic... both Den and NE are different now...

also, Denver's special teams has improved since... Holiday is a dangerous return man that wasnt on the roster when Den last played NE...

as of now Denver passes the ball at a high level, runs the ball effectively, stops the run as good as any team, and rushes the passer as good as any team... why anyone would be excited about facing that is beyond me...

personally, i am very concerend about NE... they are a great team...

pretty reasonable take. We think Manning will be facing a different defense this time as well, so long as they're healthy.