Brady Sr. Says what I’ve been saying all along.

[RobertWeathers]

OK. That's fine. No reason to go Andy Johnson. LOL The bolded is where we disagree and why I don't see 2022 as being the season we are a championship contender. I certainly hope I am wrong though.

I hope you are too.

 

[venecol]

I predicted 9-8 - I think there are a lot of questions that have to be answered in our favor to think playoffs. Could happen though.

I had them at 9-8 or 10-7 and just missing the playoffs.

Updating, same result.

Wk 1 vs. Miami Dolphins, W
Wk 2 at NYJ, W
Wk 3 vs. NO Saints, W
Wk 4 vs. TB Buccaneers, L
Wk 5 at Houston Texans, W
Wk 6 vs. Dallas Cowboys, L
Wk 7 vs. NYJ, W
Wk 8 at LA Chargers, L
Wk 9 at Carolina Panthers, W
Wk 10 vs. Cleveland Browns, L
Wk 11 at Atlanta Falcons, W
Wk 12 vs. Tennessee Titans, L
Wk 13 at Buffalo Bills, L
Wk 14 BYE
Wk 15 at Indianapolis Colts, W
Wk 16 vs. Buffalo Bills, L
Wk 17 vs. JAX Jaguars, W
Wk 18 at Miami Dolphins, L

9 - 8 or 10 - 7 (miss playoffs)

 

[Tunescribe]

Heh. That’s ironic. You were the guy who originally said BB was “always gracious in victory and humble in defeat.” When given numerous examples of times that he wasn’t, you chose not to look into it and, instead, try to straw man and red herring your way out of it. I even gave you an out several times. You got absolutely hammered in this debate because your argument isn’t anything approaching logical. In other words, you’re arguing with your heart. I’m arguing with my head. Take the out that’s given to you next time.

For clarity's sake I'll summarize this silliness one more time:

I never said BB was "always gracious in victory and humble in defeat"-- you're wrong. I said he takes responsibility, credits opponents and doesn't throw his own guys under the bus. The "examples" you cited were a sloppily contrived attempt to cry hypocrite by drawing false equivalency from things overheard/lifted out of context/not intended for public consumption to deliberate on-the-record statements by Brady's surrogates. You're not arguing with your head, you're pulling off-the-cuff nonsense from your arse hoping something sticks. As for your Tom Sr./Guerrero "outsiders" canard, I'll assume you aren't serious and just arguing for the sake of it.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

He is the greatest team -builder of all time and next year (assuming he makes the right moves and Mac makes the Year 2 jump) will have this team contending for a Super Bowl in 2022.

This is a huge assumption. Unless Mac Jones really ascends to a high level, so they’re getting elite-ish play from a QB on a rookie deal, the Patriots are on the bell curve just like half the teams in the league. Any of these teams could claim if their QB plays great, they have another year of strong roster building, etc. then they’ll be a contender. In the end, only a few teams, if any, will Level Up into the league’s contender class of 6-8 teams.

Teams don’t just stay static and add additional strength. New problems arise. The Patriots have aging key players like McCourty, Hightower, etc. They just spent a ton of money and often year 2 of a huge free agent splash is when some of the bigger issues arise with production and cost. They’re still lacking a wave of breakout young players on both sides of the ball.

 

[RobertWeathers]

This is a huge assumption. Unless Mac Jones really ascends to a high level, so they’re getting elite-ish play from a QB on a rookie deal, the Patriots are on the bell curve just like half the teams in the league. Any of these teams could claim if their QB plays great, they have another year of strong roster building, etc. then they’ll be a contender. In the end, only a few teams, if any, will Level Up into the league’s contender class of 6-8 teams.

I think Mac Jones kicks ass. You are skeptical. Thats fine.

Teams don’t just stay static and add additional strength. New problems arise. The Patriots have aging key players like McCourty, Hightower, etc. They just spent a ton of money and often year 2 of a huge free agent splash is when some of the bigger issues arise with production and cost. They’re still lacking a wave of breakout young players on both sides of the ball.

I have a much different level of confidence an evaluation of the talent required to win in this league and on the current roster than you do.

I also have a lot more confidence in BB's ability to build and coach a contending team than you do.

Doesn't mean i'm right. It's means I see the current situation much more optimistically.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

I think Mac Jones kicks ass. You are skeptical. Thats fine.

Not really skeptical about his prospects. I'm mindful that the pros and cons he's demonstrated so far match up with what scouts said about him. I think Mac is going to be the long-term answer, though, and I really like him. I'm just using Occam's Razor to say he probably hasn't hit the big plays yet because that's what he needs to work on, rather than a 5D, brand new playbook he's been given that doesn't allow for big chunk plays. It's been two games. I'm not that worried, as I can tell he has all the intangibles. But also, none of us know how far up he'll ascend. I'm more in awe of some of the league's great quarterbacks, and how dominant they are, than I am concerned about Mac's perceived limitations.

I have a much different level of confidence an evaluation of the talent required to win in this league and on the current roster than you do.

I also have a lot more confidence in BB's ability to build and coach a contending team than you do.

Doesn't mean i'm right. It's means I see the current situation much more optimistically.

Agree. Bill is obviously a very smart guy and knows what he's doing. So are a lot of other GMs and coaches. Teams need great players, and they need truly elite players, too. I don't see those guys right now. Hopefully he can figure out a way to acquire them.

 

[Froob]

The homerism on twitter is crazy lol, they really act like it was all Brady's choice.

 

[amfootball]

This is a huge assumption. Unless Mac Jones really ascends to a high level, so they’re getting elite-ish play from a QB on a rookie deal, the Patriots are on the bell curve just like half the teams in the league. Any of these teams could claim if their QB plays great, they have another year of strong roster building, etc. then they’ll be a contender. In the end, only a few teams, if any, will Level Up into the league’s contender class of 6-8 teams.

Teams don’t just stay static and add additional strength. New problems arise. The Patriots have aging key players like McCourty, Hightower, etc. They just spent a ton of money and often year 2 of a huge free agent splash is when some of the bigger issues arise with production and cost. They’re still lacking a wave of breakout young players on both sides of the ball.

Pretty much my view as well. I just don't see the young talent on this team. We acquired a bunch of guys through FA of which most will not live up to their contracts and some will be busts. It is why we made fun of teams like the Jets and Bengals for trying to rebuild that way.

We had I think a nice draft this year. Time will tell but we need to string about 2-3 more of those together to truly get to the elite level again. And of course we have to hope and pray that Mac has the ceiling we all hope he has and that he does not end up being Andy Dalton. There are just so many variables to believe next year will be the year we contend again especially since so many young QBs traditionally have a sophomore slump.

 

[Kontradiction]

For clarity's sake I'll summarize this silliness one more time:

I never said BB was "always gracious in victory and humble in defeat"-- you're wrong. I said he takes responsibility, credits opponents and doesn't throw his own guys under the bus.

You seem confused. Here was the trail of posts…

Gracious in defeat and humble in victory -- that's how classy athletes handle it.

Lol. You should tell Bill. He is the worst loser in NFL history. His Pressers are just snorts and grunts.

Nonsense. BB always takes responsibility, credits the opponent and not once in his 21 years here has thrown anyone under the bus. Does losing get him pissed? Of course it does, but you'll never see him whine.

You called @amfootball’s reply to you “nonsense.” Then you said he “always credits” his opponent. I’ve proven both statements to be false.

The "examples" you cited were a sloppily contrived attempt to cry hypocrite by drawing false equivalency from things overheard/lifted out of context/not intended for public consumption to deliberate on-the-record statements by Brady's surrogates.

Still didn’t bother to research what he told the press directly about either Freddie Mitchell or Anthony Smith, huh? Here, I’ll help you out…

A history of Bill Belichick's best postgame rip jobs: 'That's a lot of conversation coming from a team that just lost another game'

In 2007, Anthony Smith (left) talked about the Patriots and Randy Moss before the game. Bill Belichick took a shot at Smith after the contest. (Jim Rogash/Getty Images)[/caption] Bill Belichick’s shot at Dominic Raiola

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Mitchell…

1) Eagles receiver Freddie Mitchell: The chatty pass catcher -- who once told the media that he'd "like to thank my hands for being so great" -- took plenty of shots at the New England secondary in the days leading up to Super Bowl XXXIX against the Patriots, saying he only knew the numbers and not the names of the New England defensive backs. (He added that he had "something special" for safety Rodney Harrison.) After New England beat Philly for the title, Belichick told Sports Illustrated: "All he does is talk. He's terrible. And you can print that. I was glad when he was in the game."

Smith…

In his postgame press conference, Belichick was asked about Smith. "We've played a lot better safeties than him, I'll tell you that," he said.

Then there are two other examples on there that even I forgot about.

Gamble and Harris…

In the wake of a December 2009 loss to the Patriots, the duo conveyed that Randy Moss didn't go all-out in the game. That drew a harsh retort from Belichick, who said the day after the contest: "My response would be that's a lot of conversation coming from a team that just lost another game," Belichick said.

He also ripped Welker for knocking Talib out of the game in the 2013 AFCCG against Denver. By my count, that’s four more times (win or lose) that he’s gone after an opponent in the press than Brady has. I’m happy to have educated you today

You're not arguing with your head, you're pulling off-the-cuff nonsense from your arse hoping something sticks. As for your Tom Sr./Guerrero "outsiders" canard, I'll assume you aren't serious and just arguing for the sake of it.

They are, by definition, outsiders. My dad and best friend could comment on my relationship between myself and my former boss and they would be the same thing. You just don’t like what they’re saying so, in typical cancel culture fashion, you want them to shut up and for Brady to shut them down. But the fact remains - both are outsiders. Only Brady and Belichick know what the truth is.

Look how much energy you’ve wasted in this thread just to avoid admitting that you don’t care about being logically consistent because one guy is still on the team and the other isn’t. What a waste of time.

 

[1960Pats]

You seem confused. Here was the trail of posts…





You called @amfootball’s reply to you “nonsense.” Then you said he “always credits” his opponent. I’ve proven both statements to be false.



Still didn’t bother to research what he told the press directly about either Freddie Mitchell or Anthony Smith, huh? Here, I’ll help you out…

A history of Bill Belichick's best postgame rip jobs: 'That's a lot of conversation coming from a team that just lost another game'

In 2007, Anthony Smith (left) talked about the Patriots and Randy Moss before the game. Bill Belichick took a shot at Smith after the contest. (Jim Rogash/Getty Images)[/caption] Bill Belichick’s shot at Dominic Raiola

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Mitchell…



Smith…


Then there are two other examples on there that even I forgot about.

Gamble and Harris…


He also ripped Welker for knocking Talib out of the game in the 2013 AFCCG against Denver. By my count, that’s four more times (win or lose) that he’s gone after an opponent in the press than Brady has. I’m happy to have educated you today



They are, by definition, outsiders. My dad and best friend could comment on my relationship between myself and my former boss and they would be the same thing. You just don’t like what they’re saying so, in typical cancel culture fashion, you want them to shut up and for Brady to shut them down. But the fact remains - both are outsiders. Only Brady and Belichick know what the truth is.

Look how much energy you’ve wasted in this thread just to avoid admitting that you don’t care about being logically consistent because one guy is still on the team and the other isn’t. What a waste of time.

If this back and forth occurred in a thread on the main forum there would be heads exploding all over the place. Luckily it's here.

I think the Belichickians want things both ways. They want to criticize Brady for allowing his dad to speak for him but act like Bill's gal pal was acting on her own when she piped in about Brady last year.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

 

[Kontradiction]

Sounds like a bit of revisionist history there for Billy B. If they wanted him, there were several occasions where they could have signed him to a one year deal. They didn’t.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Sounds like a bit of revisionist history there for Billy B. If they wanted him, there were several occasions where they could have signed him to a one year deal. They didn’t.

Yeah, I don’t know if I necessarily believe him…

 

[amfootball]

Sounds like a bit of revisionist history there for Billy B. If they wanted him, there were several occasions where they could have signed him to a one year deal. They didn’t.

I would like to know what the offer was in 2020. Was there even a counter at all to Tampa?

 

[Tottie]

Yeah, I don’t know if I necessarily believe him…

Wasn't the word on the street that BB never even called Brady to discuss the situation? If that's true it's a pretty weak attempt.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Sounds like a bit of revisionist history there for Billy B. If they wanted him, there were several occasions where they could have signed him to a one year deal. They didn’t.

 

[Kontradiction]

He’s become an excuse-making machine since last year.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

He’s become an excuse-making machine since last year.

I expected him to punt by saying he’s not goimg to discuss a player who isn’t umder contract, or some other reason. Instead, he tried to score his PR points via an excuse in trying to insinuate the Patriots made a big push to keep Brady. Then after Curran calls him out, he does his typical “I already explained it” BS defense.

 

[amfootball]

I am soo glad Curran called him out. That was the natural follow up from this morning but WEEI was too chicken to ask it.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I am soo glad Curran called him out. That was the natural follow up from this morning but WEEI was too chicken to ask it.

Yep. BB stonewalled him.

Not unexpected.