Brady Sr. Says what I’ve been saying all along.

[Pats1971]

Right because you could tell your Dad what to say and how to act when you were 40. Come on man, Tom's Dad is a lunatic.

Guerrero probably isn't wrong. Pretty much everyone kniws that Bill is a monumental azzhole.

Did they get this mad when Cam's dad was trouncing the pats on his special, why I was cut segment?

 

[venecol]

the Brady side has been into branding for years.....the Belichick side has not

 

[venecol]

Bill came from Parcells coaching tree that actually produced good coaches. Anyone wonder if Bill was such a great coach why not even one of the coaches from the so called Belichick tree had any success? Simple, none of them had Brady.

Anyone know of a GM that didn't have to use any #1 draft picks, or have to pay millions to FAs or in trades; to get a good QB for FV&KING 20 YEARS?

Ever hear of players tell the story of how Bill leveraged having Brady in the roster to royally fv&k them out of market rate raises?

Bill got away with murder for 20 years by having the GOAT in his roster. Made life easy for him. Took full advantage of Brady. Used him. Then discarded him like an old rag doll when he thought he was cooked and too old. He treated Brady like sh!!t during the entire 20 years. We've heard it from veteran after veteran that witnessed Bill berating the GOAT in front of vets and rookies alike.

Brady was the ultimate loyal soldier. Always following orders. Doing what was best for the team. Leading by example. Now in his 40s, Tom just had it; putting up with Bill's crap. So did Gronk. So did Danny and many others.

Brady is the key to the success of the franchise during both dynasties just like he's the key to the success in Tampa. The proof is in the pudding.

As crazy as old man Brady is, you can't blame him for going off on Bill after the way he treated his son, the GOAT.

 

[Lagaffe_07]

Uh you do know he had Peyton, Ben, Palmer as his QB's too. Lets not act like he walked some scrub to the promise land or something.

Uh never had Peyton and Ben as a HC

 

[SHOWTIME15]

obsessed @venecol ? i wake up this morning with 8 replies from you lol. schmuck

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Bill came from Parcells coaching tree that actually produced good coaches. Anyone wonder if Bill was such a great coach why not even one of the coaches from the so called Belichick tree had any success? Simple, none of them had Brady.

Anyone know of a GM that didn't have to use any #1 draft picks, or have to pay millions to FAs or in trades; to get a good QB for FV&KING 20 YEARS?

Ever hear of players tell the story of how Bill leveraged having Brady in the roster to royally fv&k them out of market rate raises?

Bill got away with murder for 20 years by having the GOAT in his roster. Made life easy for him. Took full advantage of Brady. Used him. Then discarded him like an old rag doll when he thought he was cooked and too old. He treated Brady like sh!!t during the entire 20 years. We've heard it from veteran after veteran that witnessed Bill berating the GOAT in front of vets and rookies alike.

Brady was the ultimate loyal soldier. Always following orders. Doing what was best for the team. Leading by example. Now in his 40s, Tom just had it; putting up with Bill's crap. So did Gronk. So did Danny and many others.

Brady is the key to the success of the franchise during both dynasties just like he's the key to the success in Tampa. The proof is in the pudding.

As crazy as old man Brady is, you can't blame him for going off on Bill after the way he treated his son, the GOAT.

if you don’t like Bill, go follow another team.

 

[Tunescribe]

Bill came from Parcells coaching tree that actually produced good coaches. Anyone wonder if Bill was such a great coach why not even one of the coaches from the so called Belichick tree had any success? Simple, none of them had Brady.

Anyone know of a GM that didn't have to use any #1 draft picks, or have to pay millions to FAs or in trades; to get a good QB for FV&KING 20 YEARS?

Ever hear of players tell the story of how Bill leveraged having Brady in the roster to royally fv&k them out of market rate raises?

Bill got away with murder for 20 years by having the GOAT in his roster. Made life easy for him. Took full advantage of Brady. Used him. Then discarded him like an old rag doll when he thought he was cooked and too old. He treated Brady like sh!!t during the entire 20 years. We've heard it from veteran after veteran that witnessed Bill berating the GOAT in front of vets and rookies alike.

Brady was the ultimate loyal soldier. Always following orders. Doing what was best for the team. Leading by example. Now in his 40s, Tom just had it; putting up with Bill's crap. So did Gronk. So did Danny and many others.

Brady is the key to the success of the franchise during both dynasties just like he's the key to the success in Tampa. The proof is in the pudding.

As crazy as old man Brady is, you can't blame him for going off on Bill after the way he treated his son, the GOAT.

You're simply a BB hater seeing the world in black & white, eagerly oblivious to football's essence as the ultimate TEAM sport. BB made Brady just as much as Brady made BB. Anyone doubting that can get remedial assistance from ESPN 30 for 30 documentary The Two Bills. All your myopic disparagement of BB is easily refuted, along with the FACT Brady was surrounded by a veritable all-star team in Tampa. None of this minimizes Brady's GOAT status; the all-time greats in all team sports require facilitation, it's the nature of how things are. No way would Brady have lasted 20 years in New England so successfully without BB's unique roster-building philosophy and coaching staff management. And no way would those dynasties have been sustained without Brady providing heady continuity from the game's most important position. It was a two-way street from start to finish. As for the nonsense of Brady being "used then discarded" by BB, see post No. 147 in this thread.

 

[venecol]

obsessed @venecol ? i wake up this morning with 8 replies from you lol. schmuck

Here's your buddy and you hanging out in Bill's basement. Lmao

 

[venecol]

You're simply a BB hater seeing the world in black & white, eagerly oblivious to football's essence as the ultimate TEAM sport. BB made Brady just as much as Brady made BB.

Not a hater. I just simply don't hold Bill up in efigy like so many others around here. Bill is a good coach with an excellent defensive mind. At the beginning they made each other, but then Brady carried them both through both his play on the field and his locker room leadership.

Anyone doubting that can get remedial assistance from ESPN 30 for 30 documentary The Two Bills.

ESPN? OK

All your myopic disparagement of BB is easily refuted, along with the FACT Brady was surrounded by a veritable all-star team in Tampa. None of this minimizes Brady's GOAT status; the all-time greats in all team sports require facilitation, it's the nature of how things are.

Then refute it. All I'm saying is Bill benefitted enormously by having a stud QB like Brady for 20 years. He avoided all the pain and energy of having to deal with the drama, training, trades, & drafts, of the most important position on the TEAM, the QB. He basically had a 20-yr competitive advantage over the other 31.

Tampa? Brady won a SB his very 1st yr with Bruce Arians as HC. If that doesn't say it's 75% QB / 25% HC, I don't know what does.

No way would Brady have lasted 20 years in New England so successfully without BB's unique roster-building philosophy and coaching staff management. And no way would those dynasties have been sustained without Brady providing heady continuity from the game's most important position. It was a two-way street from start to finish.

Agree, except Bill doesn't last till 2002 with Bledsoe, so in a way Brady saved his HC career. And Brady would've succeeded anywhere outside NE as we already saw w/ the Suckaneers.

As for the nonsense of Brady being "used then discarded" by BB, see post No. 147 in this thread.

Post #147 is just conjecture from your part. I'm not talking about just 2019. This began years prior, when Brady wanted a long term contract extension and was continually stalled.

 

[Kontradiction]

You're conflating people speaking on the record directly to media with quotes obtained otherwise, re. BB v. Mason during the game and dissing Ryan's defense to his son walking off the field, etc. Not the same thing at all.

Like I said in my first reply to you, let’s just admit that you’re backing BB for the same thing you panned Brady over because he’s still here and Brady isn’t. I could at least respect that. Otherwise, you’re doing a Stretch Armstrong routine that’s completely illogical which is why you’re choosing to ignore the examples in which BB disparaged players to the press after the game. Your original argument does not hold water. You know it. I know it. Admit the obvious and move on.

That's silly. At the very, very least, Brady has given tacit approval by not muzzling them.

How is he going to muzzle two men from giving their opinion to the media? They’re free to say what they want. They’ve also spoken to the media when he was here, with Tom Sr famously saying that it “won’t end well” years ago between Brady and BB. Further, WHY should he muzzle them from speaking to the media? To protect your feelings?

 

[PatsWSB47]

if you don’t like Bill, go follow another team.

If you don't like Tom Brady then stay the hell out of the Tom Brady forums.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

If you don't like Tom Brady then stay the hell out of the Tom Brady forums.

It's not a forum for Tom Brady butt kissing. It's to discuss anything about Brady, good or bad.

 

[Kontradiction]

if you don’t like Bill, go follow another team.

When did Bill become the team? Was Pete Carroll the team before Bill came? How about Parcells? Rust?

 

[PatsWSB47]

It's not a forum for Tom Brady butt kissing. It's to discuss anything about Brady, good or bad.

Go

 

[IllegalContact]

If you actually believe deflategate was a thing, you are pretty stupid. No offense.

ok, underwear boy

 

[sb1]

Not a hater. I just simply don't hold Bill up in efigy like so many others around here. Bill is a good coach with an excellent defensive mind. At the beginning they made each other, but then Brady carried them both through both his play on the field and his locker room leadership.


ESPN? OK

Then refute it. All I'm saying is Bill benefitted enormously by having a stud QB like Brady for 20 years. He avoided all the pain and energy of having to deal with the drama, training, trades, & drafts, of the most important position on the TEAM, the QB. He basically had a 20-yr competitive advantage over the other 31.

Tampa? Brady won a SB his very 1st yr with Bruce Arians as HC. If that doesn't say it's 75% QB / 25% HC, I don't know what does.


Agree, except Bill doesn't last till 2002 with Bledsoe, so in a way Brady saved his HC career. And Brady would've succeeded anywhere outside NE as we already saw w/ the Suckaneers.


Post #147 is just conjecture from your part. I'm not talking about just 2019. This began years prior, when Brady wanted a long term contract extension and was continually stalled.

Maybe the obvious will finally dawn on them when Mac has a hot start to his career and then demands a $50M a year deal when his rookie contract is up. Brady brought a lot more to this team than what was on the field.

 

[IllegalContact]

ok....so you don't know what branding means

let me know when BB does a Bill vs time video

 

[SHOWTIME15]

When did Bill become the team? Was Pete Carroll the team before Bill came? How about Parcells? Rust?

He's not THE team. But he's currently the most important part of the organization. He's the HC and GM and all football decisions (for better or worse) run through him. I mean if he disgusts people so much, why bother following the Pats?

 

[IllegalContact]

Not a hater. I just simply don't hold Bill up in efigy like so many others around here. Bill is a good coach with an excellent defensive mind. At the beginning they made each other, but then Brady carried them both through both his play on the field and his locker room leadership.

so many?

 

[IllegalContact]

Things didn't work out the way Brady had hoped, so his minions are lining up the commentary.