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Boutte available for trade?

Incredible hands

Based on only the eye test from my lofty perch (living room), Boutte seemed to slow down as the season progressed and looked to have added pounds at the tail end of the season.

In 2025, Boutte's snap count was equal to Diggs (608 vs 601)
With the addition of Doubs and likely addition of AJB, plus NE's propensity to use two TE sets, Boutte will be asked to play a much lesser role in a contract year, hence the predictable offseason posturing by Boutte who is skipping "voluntary" off season programs in NE.

Boutte has earned a combined $2.75 mill over 3 seasons.
He's due $3.7 mill in 2026

Seems clear Boutte and his agent are seeking more opportunity and $$$ than NE is willing to provide this season, and let's not discount the potential savings for NE who will be funding two new high-priced starting WRs while (disgruntled ?) Boutte sits in reserve.

NE has decided to upgrade.
Boutte has a plan
NE has decided to upgrade!!! Exactly correct!
 
Some is telling themselves that we didn't. I Hope Boutte have a contract year for the ages. Can't wait to see the spin doctors change their tunes.

Pats can get out the contract after next season... don't see the overpay speaking for myself twin..
 
He thinks we should get a first, second minimum for a WR whose career high is 500 yards receiving, who disappears for large stretches of games and oh yeah…. the trading team also has to pay him.

Bill didn’t suck at trading, Rkarp never accepted that the free market sets the price… always.
We all Like Boutte and he's brought some big play abilities where as the position has been so treacherous the last few seasons.. with saying this Vrabel felt he could still upgrade at the position and that's exactly what the teams doing. Going to enjoy Doubs excelling in this offense..
 
We all Like Boutte and he's brought some big play abilities where as the position has been so treacherous the last few seasons.. with saying this Vrabel felt he could still upgrade at the position and that's exactly what the teams doing. Going to enjoy Doubs excelling in this offense..
I think both AJ Brown and Doubs could eclipse their career highs in yards with Drake.

A lot has to come together for that to happen, mainly health, development and cohesion on the O-Line, and some help with game scripts.
 
I think both AJ Brown and Doubs could eclipse their career highs in yards with Drake.

A lot has to come together for that to happen, mainly health, development and cohesion on the O-Line, and some help with game scripts.
Absolutely. I don't think anyone is advocating to trade Boutte but wherever there's smoke there's fire. Compare Boutte to how we was around all last offseason in comparison to now.. he didn't suddenly wake up and say I'm going to start training in south Florida and not attend private throwing sessions with my QB and attend team engagements and community events by mistake.
 
I think just about every such move comes down to simple contractual/cap considerations, when you extend those to include necessary developmental projections (i.e., for Kyle Williams.)

I have some thoughts on the "buried on the depth chart" argument. Like it or not, in a 17-game (or 18-game) season, guys are coming off the field. Hollins and Boutte were both out late last year, if I recall correctly, at the same time. If we're to believe the media (and this board,) A.J. Brown is an absolute lock to come here, although he's not without his injury concerns. It's the rare winter that we're not biting our nails about who we have to throw to.

Boutte is getting 6th-round rookie money, and he signed that contract. If he wants to play in 2026 in the NFL, that's what he plays for... unlessssss...

Hence the trade idea. It's not that he's bad, it's not that he costs a lot for his role -- he's cheap for his role. It's that he's going to get his big payday next year, and he'd like to get it this year, thank you very much... if the trade talk is anything other than whatever Breer made up this morning.

I mean, you guys follow this closer than me, so tell me if I'm missing something. He wants to be paid more than he promised he would play for -- at least, that's what we're guessing based on random pronouncements about a trade. And sure, it's human nature too. And I'm sure there are teams who'll pay him at much more than his present rate/type of production. He's young and potentially has years of production ahead of him. But I don't think anybody's claiming he won't honor his contract if we wait to solve him next off-season.

If we're trading him, it's because we get good draft capital for him. He's dirt-cheap this year. So yeah, what's the offer? He's not a superstar, he's not nothin'. We get maybe a 5th, maybe because someone is really hurting for a receiver a 4th. Who knows. That sh*t is beyond me. It seems one team gets a first-round pick for a meh guy, one team gets a fifth-round pick for a rising star. It gets balanced against the cash you have to cough up in the deal to close out the existing contract, & a million other things probably, in addition to his actual value as a player.

So yeah, that's where I hope our bean-counters and lawyers know what they're doing.

But he's worth a few TDs and a few hundred yards every year. If you pick up an AJ Brown and Boutte doesn't start, it does not mean he rides the bench. It means you use him when you use him, for whatever reason you need 6 or 7 guys in the WR room in the first place.
The "who's better than who" debate comes into play because we hit two home runs with late round choices in the same year (cracks me up that one of us believes we rarely hit in the late rounds -- the whole Boutte/Pop Douglas debate traces back to this embarrassment of riches.

And OMG, if we improve this O-Line and Drake gets better at the reacting part of read-react. Yikes. Sorry, giddy with off-season caffeine.

But home runs are just relative home runs.

We stand to gain from Boutte's overperformance by selling the bargaining rights which we bought low in the '23 draft (at 6th round.) We then got his cheap rookie contract production for 3 years (virtually free in terms of WR money.) In 1 more year he'll cost real WR money, but not this year.

He's the 90% outside-the-numbers guy. Douglas is a slot guy, you might say the slot guy, and that 14.x yards per catch looks even better when you consider he's fighting for the right to those balls. Mack Hollins is the "that's MY contested catch and I WILL bury you in my back yard after this game if you try to get it" guy. I mean, look at his eyes. Yeah, lower YPC but a vice grip when the ball goes his way.

So when Brown comes here and Doubs is here, the argument is it's a great time to sell high while the team gets anything out of selling, and that the logical candidate to unload is Boutte.

Note that you move a guy in this circumstance because he's way better than what you're paying him to be. He's on rookie money and rookie money for a super-low pick, at that. I think he costs like $3.7 m this year or something. Sorry but this is the NFL, and receivers get $3.7 million a game. Well not literally, I think more like $2.5m/game, but you get the idea.

So you say "listen, he wants money faster, you want an upgrade, we have too many productive outside the numbers guys, so you go ahead and pay him middle-tier money, send us a 5th rounder, and everybody's happy."

And we have what, another 5th round pick?

On the flip side, keep him and have him available for outside-the-numbers work. He backs up Brown

Diggs was a half-inside, half-outside guy. He's gone nowhere yet, but we've judged his remaining years to be too few to "high point" his pay now. We liked him for 3 years, $69M, starting at 29 Y.O in a league with no 30 YO receivers.

We also have Doubs, the younger version of Diggs, who it looks like we could go with as his replacement with or without Brown. Doubs without Brown is treading water vs. 2025, actually hoping to be treading water, because we'd be betting on Doubs' upside. Doubs with Brown gives us a credible deep threat at X and Z. I should say more credible... it would be a big upgrade.

In the scenario where we keep Boutte, if anybody goes down, we still have 2025-level horses. So yeah, it would be nice of the team to trade him, if that's what he wants. The incentives line up, in a way.

There are lots of facts not in evidence (who says we're the lock for a landing spot for Brown? Show me the signed contract, or at least more than "everybody says...")

No Brown, no Boutte story, unless we get another replacement somewhere.

And the moment I type that... No Brown, instant Kyle Williams sink-or-swim moment.

My thing is I'm a pig. I love the idea that you have to go through Brown, Boutte, and Kyle Williams before you're out of targets outside. Guys get hurt. Guys have slumps. For an extra 5th rounder we have to give up that security, which costs virtually nothing to keep?

And if Diggs is cashing in, God love him for 3 great years here... but if (pipe dream here) he's coming back at a cap-friendly price, it's a beautiful thing to keep him in the stable too.

Usually you run into "You can't have everything, where would you put it?" issues in a WR room. But with two solid contributors (Boutte and Douglas) both still on their rookie deals, you can build a truly special WR group. Yes, you have, if not porsches, at least nice Volkswagens in the garage not getting a lot of driving time. But thinking team-first, do you or don't you want that top-to-bottom depth come December?

I don't get the rush to trade Boutte or the idea of trading Douglas "instead." Maybe I'm short-sighted; after all, we got both of them at a lower draft position than we'd get if we got 5ths for one of both of them. But we'd only be pushing some UDFAs out to make it happen, roster-wise. Maybe we see something intriguing in the bargain bin, but if not... well, why not keep what's working? And 6 TDs/550 yards, whatever denigrating way we want to look at it, ain't nothing. That's working.

I know it's a long post, but last point:

The beautiful thing about the whole WR situation is that we're discussing these great numbers with a QB who got sacked in multiple games 6 times.

Think about the upside if his targets truly do improve, and way more to the point, if his own habits and protection improves.

Maybe I'm stupid and too high on the upside with Maye, but barring injury, what kind of monster are we building?

Sorry. Way too much for an "Albert Breer sez" type of post. Honestly, I don't think Diggs is magically coming back to compete with Doubs for second fiddle, but he's especially in play-ish if the Brown thing doesn't happen.

The way more likely happening is Kyle Williams' development.

Also before signing off I want to go on record as saying, this is Chad Jackson's year
 
I always go back to the we vastly over rate our players on this board. You can argue Bill sucked at trading his players, but do you think Vrabel sucks at it too? At some point you get enough data points you start to realize that maybe it isn't them, maybe it is us. A 500 yard receiver who is perceived as perhaps not being the best team player may not be worth a 2nd rounder some here want for him.
ok
but I agree, we have enough data points to not allow a usage stat like yards dictate value.
with 90 targets, not 46 targets, Boutte is an 1100 yard, 12 td WR. and he is 24 years old. on a rookie contract
what are those stats worth?
 
I think just about every such move comes down to simple contractual/cap considerations, when you extend those to include necessary developmental projections (i.e., for Kyle Williams.)

I have some thoughts on the "buried on the depth chart" argument. Like it or not, in a 17-game (or 18-game) season, guys are coming off the field. Hollins and Boutte were both out late last year, if I recall correctly, at the same time. If we're to believe the media (and this board,) A.J. Brown is an absolute lock to come here, although he's not without his injury concerns. It's the rare winter that we're not biting our nails about who we have to throw to.

Boutte is getting 6th-round rookie money, and he signed that contract. If he wants to play in 2026 in the NFL, that's what he plays for... unlessssss...

Hence the trade idea. It's not that he's bad, it's not that he costs a lot for his role -- he's cheap for his role. It's that he's going to get his big payday next year, and he'd like to get it this year, thank you very much... if the trade talk is anything other than whatever Breer made up this morning.

I mean, you guys follow this closer than me, so tell me if I'm missing something. He wants to be paid more than he promised he would play for -- at least, that's what we're guessing based on random pronouncements about a trade. And sure, it's human nature too. And I'm sure there are teams who'll pay him at much more than his present rate/type of production. He's young and potentially has years of production ahead of him. But I don't think anybody's claiming he won't honor his contract if we wait to solve him next off-season.

If we're trading him, it's because we get good draft capital for him. He's dirt-cheap this year. So yeah, what's the offer? He's not a superstar, he's not nothin'. We get maybe a 5th, maybe because someone is really hurting for a receiver a 4th. Who knows. That sh*t is beyond me. It seems one team gets a first-round pick for a meh guy, one team gets a fifth-round pick for a rising star. It gets balanced against the cash you have to cough up in the deal to close out the existing contract, & a million other things probably, in addition to his actual value as a player.

So yeah, that's where I hope our bean-counters and lawyers know what they're doing.

But he's worth a few TDs and a few hundred yards every year. If you pick up an AJ Brown and Boutte doesn't start, it does not mean he rides the bench. It means you use him when you use him, for whatever reason you need 6 or 7 guys in the WR room in the first place.
The "who's better than who" debate comes into play because we hit two home runs with late round choices in the same year (cracks me up that one of us believes we rarely hit in the late rounds -- the whole Boutte/Pop Douglas debate traces back to this embarrassment of riches.

And OMG, if we improve this O-Line and Drake gets better at the reacting part of read-react. Yikes. Sorry, giddy with off-season caffeine.

But home runs are just relative home runs.

We stand to gain from Boutte's overperformance by selling the bargaining rights which we bought low in the '23 draft (at 6th round.) We then got his cheap rookie contract production for 3 years (virtually free in terms of WR money.) In 1 more year he'll cost real WR money, but not this year.

He's the 90% outside-the-numbers guy. Douglas is a slot guy, you might say the slot guy, and that 14.x yards per catch looks even better when you consider he's fighting for the right to those balls. Mack Hollins is the "that's MY contested catch and I WILL bury you in my back yard after this game if you try to get it" guy. I mean, look at his eyes. Yeah, lower YPC but a vice grip when the ball goes his way.

So when Brown comes here and Doubs is here, the argument is it's a great time to sell high while the team gets anything out of selling, and that the logical candidate to unload is Boutte.

Note that you move a guy in this circumstance because he's way better than what you're paying him to be. He's on rookie money and rookie money for a super-low pick, at that. I think he costs like $3.7 m this year or something. Sorry but this is the NFL, and receivers get $3.7 million a game. Well not literally, I think more like $2.5m/game, but you get the idea.

So you say "listen, he wants money faster, you want an upgrade, we have too many productive outside the numbers guys, so you go ahead and pay him middle-tier money, send us a 5th rounder, and everybody's happy."

And we have what, another 5th round pick?

On the flip side, keep him and have him available for outside-the-numbers work. He backs up Brown

Diggs was a half-inside, half-outside guy. He's gone nowhere yet, but we've judged his remaining years to be too few to "high point" his pay now. We liked him for 3 years, $69M, starting at 29 Y.O in a league with no 30 YO receivers.

We also have Doubs, the younger version of Diggs, who it looks like we could go with as his replacement with or without Brown. Doubs without Brown is treading water vs. 2025, actually hoping to be treading water, because we'd be betting on Doubs' upside. Doubs with Brown gives us a credible deep threat at X and Z. I should say more credible... it would be a big upgrade.

In the scenario where we keep Boutte, if anybody goes down, we still have 2025-level horses. So yeah, it would be nice of the team to trade him, if that's what he wants. The incentives line up, in a way.

There are lots of facts not in evidence (who says we're the lock for a landing spot for Brown? Show me the signed contract, or at least more than "everybody says...")

No Brown, no Boutte story, unless we get another replacement somewhere.

And the moment I type that... No Brown, instant Kyle Williams sink-or-swim moment.

My thing is I'm a pig. I love the idea that you have to go through Brown, Boutte, and Kyle Williams before you're out of targets outside. Guys get hurt. Guys have slumps. For an extra 5th rounder we have to give up that security, which costs virtually nothing to keep?

And if Diggs is cashing in, God love him for 3 great years here... but if (pipe dream here) he's coming back at a cap-friendly price, it's a beautiful thing to keep him in the stable too.

Usually you run into "You can't have everything, where would you put it?" issues in a WR room. But with two solid contributors (Boutte and Douglas) both still on their rookie deals, you can build a truly special WR group. Yes, you have, if not porsches, at least nice Volkswagens in the garage not getting a lot of driving time. But thinking team-first, do you or don't you want that top-to-bottom depth come December?

I don't get the rush to trade Boutte or the idea of trading Douglas "instead." Maybe I'm short-sighted; after all, we got both of them at a lower draft position than we'd get if we got 5ths for one of both of them. But we'd only be pushing some UDFAs out to make it happen, roster-wise. Maybe we see something intriguing in the bargain bin, but if not... well, why not keep what's working? And 6 TDs/550 yards, whatever denigrating way we want to look at it, ain't nothing. That's working.

I know it's a long post, but last point:

The beautiful thing about the whole WR situation is that we're discussing these great numbers with a QB who got sacked in multiple games 6 times.

Think about the upside if his targets truly do improve, and way more to the point, if his own habits and protection improves.

Maybe I'm stupid and too high on the upside with Maye, but barring injury, what kind of monster are we building?

Sorry. Way too much for an "Albert Breer sez" type of post. Honestly, I don't think Diggs is magically coming back to compete with Doubs for second fiddle, but he's especially in play-ish if the Brown thing doesn't happen.

The way more likely happening is Kyle Williams' development.

Also before signing off I want to go on record as saying, this is Chad Jackson's year
 
I think just about every such move comes down to simple contractual/cap considerations, when you extend those to include necessary developmental projections (i.e., for Kyle Williams.)

I have some thoughts on the "buried on the depth chart" argument. Like it or not, in a 17-game (or 18-game) season, guys are coming off the field. Hollins and Boutte were both out late last year, if I recall correctly, at the same time. If we're to believe the media (and this board,) A.J. Brown is an absolute lock to come here, although he's not without his injury concerns. It's the rare winter that we're not biting our nails about who we have to throw to.

Boutte is getting 6th-round rookie money, and he signed that contract. If he wants to play in 2026 in the NFL, that's what he plays for... unlessssss...

Hence the trade idea. It's not that he's bad, it's not that he costs a lot for his role -- he's cheap for his role. It's that he's going to get his big payday next year, and he'd like to get it this year, thank you very much... if the trade talk is anything other than whatever Breer made up this morning.

I mean, you guys follow this closer than me, so tell me if I'm missing something. He wants to be paid more than he promised he would play for -- at least, that's what we're guessing based on random pronouncements about a trade. And sure, it's human nature too. And I'm sure there are teams who'll pay him at much more than his present rate/type of production. He's young and potentially has years of production ahead of him. But I don't think anybody's claiming he won't honor his contract if we wait to solve him next off-season.

If we're trading him, it's because we get good draft capital for him. He's dirt-cheap this year. So yeah, what's the offer? He's not a superstar, he's not nothin'. We get maybe a 5th, maybe because someone is really hurting for a receiver a 4th. Who knows. That sh*t is beyond me. It seems one team gets a first-round pick for a meh guy, one team gets a fifth-round pick for a rising star. It gets balanced against the cash you have to cough up in the deal to close out the existing contract, & a million other things probably, in addition to his actual value as a player.

So yeah, that's where I hope our bean-counters and lawyers know what they're doing.

But he's worth a few TDs and a few hundred yards every year. If you pick up an AJ Brown and Boutte doesn't start, it does not mean he rides the bench. It means you use him when you use him, for whatever reason you need 6 or 7 guys in the WR room in the first place.
The "who's better than who" debate comes into play because we hit two home runs with late round choices in the same year (cracks me up that one of us believes we rarely hit in the late rounds -- the whole Boutte/Pop Douglas debate traces back to this embarrassment of riches.

And OMG, if we improve this O-Line and Drake gets better at the reacting part of read-react. Yikes. Sorry, giddy with off-season caffeine.

But home runs are just relative home runs.

We stand to gain from Boutte's overperformance by selling the bargaining rights which we bought low in the '23 draft (at 6th round.) We then got his cheap rookie contract production for 3 years (virtually free in terms of WR money.) In 1 more year he'll cost real WR money, but not this year.

He's the 90% outside-the-numbers guy. Douglas is a slot guy, you might say the slot guy, and that 14.x yards per catch looks even better when you consider he's fighting for the right to those balls. Mack Hollins is the "that's MY contested catch and I WILL bury you in my back yard after this game if you try to get it" guy. I mean, look at his eyes. Yeah, lower YPC but a vice grip when the ball goes his way.

So when Brown comes here and Doubs is here, the argument is it's a great time to sell high while the team gets anything out of selling, and that the logical candidate to unload is Boutte.

Note that you move a guy in this circumstance because he's way better than what you're paying him to be. He's on rookie money and rookie money for a super-low pick, at that. I think he costs like $3.7 m this year or something. Sorry but this is the NFL, and receivers get $3.7 million a game. Well not literally, I think more like $2.5m/game, but you get the idea.

So you say "listen, he wants money faster, you want an upgrade, we have too many productive outside the numbers guys, so you go ahead and pay him middle-tier money, send us a 5th rounder, and everybody's happy."

And we have what, another 5th round pick?

On the flip side, keep him and have him available for outside-the-numbers work. He backs up Brown

Diggs was a half-inside, half-outside guy. He's gone nowhere yet, but we've judged his remaining years to be too few to "high point" his pay now. We liked him for 3 years, $69M, starting at 29 Y.O in a league with no 30 YO receivers.

We also have Doubs, the younger version of Diggs, who it looks like we could go with as his replacement with or without Brown. Doubs without Brown is treading water vs. 2025, actually hoping to be treading water, because we'd be betting on Doubs' upside. Doubs with Brown gives us a credible deep threat at X and Z. I should say more credible... it would be a big upgrade.

In the scenario where we keep Boutte, if anybody goes down, we still have 2025-level horses. So yeah, it would be nice of the team to trade him, if that's what he wants. The incentives line up, in a way.

There are lots of facts not in evidence (who says we're the lock for a landing spot for Brown? Show me the signed contract, or at least more than "everybody says...")

No Brown, no Boutte story, unless we get another replacement somewhere.

And the moment I type that... No Brown, instant Kyle Williams sink-or-swim moment.

My thing is I'm a pig. I love the idea that you have to go through Brown, Boutte, and Kyle Williams before you're out of targets outside. Guys get hurt. Guys have slumps. For an extra 5th rounder we have to give up that security, which costs virtually nothing to keep?

And if Diggs is cashing in, God love him for 3 great years here... but if (pipe dream here) he's coming back at a cap-friendly price, it's a beautiful thing to keep him in the stable too.

Usually you run into "You can't have everything, where would you put it?" issues in a WR room. But with two solid contributors (Boutte and Douglas) both still on their rookie deals, you can build a truly special WR group. Yes, you have, if not porsches, at least nice Volkswagens in the garage not getting a lot of driving time. But thinking team-first, do you or don't you want that top-to-bottom depth come December?

I don't get the rush to trade Boutte or the idea of trading Douglas "instead." Maybe I'm short-sighted; after all, we got both of them at a lower draft position than we'd get if we got 5ths for one of both of them. But we'd only be pushing some UDFAs out to make it happen, roster-wise. Maybe we see something intriguing in the bargain bin, but if not... well, why not keep what's working? And 6 TDs/550 yards, whatever denigrating way we want to look at it, ain't nothing. That's working.

I know it's a long post, but last point:

The beautiful thing about the whole WR situation is that we're discussing these great numbers with a QB who got sacked in multiple games 6 times.

Think about the upside if his targets truly do improve, and way more to the point, if his own habits and protection improves.

Maybe I'm stupid and too high on the upside with Maye, but barring injury, what kind of monster are we building?

Sorry. Way too much for an "Albert Breer sez" type of post. Honestly, I don't think Diggs is magically coming back to compete with Doubs for second fiddle, but he's especially in play-ish if the Brown thing doesn't happen.

The way more likely happening is Kyle Williams' development.

Also before signing off I want to go on record as saying, this is Chad Jackson's year
did Williams show enough last season, to warrant trading a 24 years old WR that played like Boutte did last season?
lets look to next season and the season after. Pop and Hollins are gone. Williams may have not shown to be able to operate in this offense. Brown will be 2 years older on questionable knees.
Doubs and Boutte still make a very nice WR foundation
 
did Williams show enough last season, to warrant trading a 24 years old WR that played like Boutte did last season?
lets look to next season and the season after. Pop and Hollins are gone. Williams may have not shown to be able to operate in this offense. Brown will be 2 years older on questionable knees.
Doubs and Boutte still make a very nice WR foundation
It's all going to come down to Boutte.. if he's adamant about being traded or wanting to go elsewhere because he's threatened by AJ or Doubs than that's on him.. I like Boutte and hopefully he remain if not I wish him well wherever he goes..
 
did Williams show enough last season, to warrant trading a 24 years old WR that played like Boutte did last season?
lets look to next season and the season after. Pop and Hollins are gone. Williams may have not shown to be able to operate in this offense. Brown will be 2 years older on questionable knees.
Doubs and Boutte still make a very nice WR foundation
Right? I mean, we sit here answering "should we or shouldn't we," and we have no idea what the smart guys are deciding, although they're weighing mainly the same things. Although I think w Brown, isn't a recurring hamstring the big deal? I don't know, just going by a vague impression of a memory. I should actually ejumacate myself about the injury front for him.

As to what Williams showed, the other thing that can be in play, is when do you say, "Hey, we can move a guy out and see what Williams has." Yes, we'd get a 5th (ponders Breer), but we do have more time to move Williams into that role. We'll need him to turn into THAT GUY if he's got it in him... but not necessarily this year.

I guess if you're moving out Boutte because you think you've got mini-Randy-Moss sitting on the bench, that's a pretty big assumption. Seems like wishing rather than planning. }

But in all my security-seeking, I guess I do discount the necessary value of getting a Kyle Williams time to develop.

Mind you, this is the team that traded a 2 and a 5 for a freakin' punt returner then kept the newly acquired Donte Stallworth off the field most snaps... it wasn't a development-friendly environment, but it did seem to work....
 
did Williams show enough last season, to warrant trading a 24 years old WR that played like Boutte did last season?
lets look to next season and the season after. Pop and Hollins are gone. Williams may have not shown to be able to operate in this offense. Brown will be 2 years older on questionable knees.
Doubs and Boutte still make a very nice WR foundation
Boutte showed enough to determine 500-700 yards is his ceiling.

He wants to get paid now, it’s not a question of what happens two years from now.

Williams ripped off big plays in limited snaps. The undrafted WR’s are really talented. Addition by subtraction…
 
Right? I mean, we sit here answering "should we or shouldn't we," and we have no idea what the smart guys are deciding, although they're weighing mainly the same things. Although I think w Brown, isn't a recurring hamstring the big deal? I don't know, just going by a vague impression of a memory. I should actually ejumacate myself about the injury front for him.

As to what Williams showed, the other thing that can be in play, is when do you say, "Hey, we can move a guy out and see what Williams has." Yes, we'd get a 5th (ponders Breer), but we do have more time to move Williams into that role. We'll need him to turn into THAT GUY if he's got it in him... but not necessarily this year.

I guess if you're moving out Boutte because you think you've got mini-Randy-Moss sitting on the bench, that's a pretty big assumption. Seems like wishing rather than planning. }

But in all my security-seeking, I guess I do discount the necessary value of getting a Kyle Williams time to develop.

Mind you, this is the team that traded a 2 and a 5 for a freakin' punt returner then kept the newly acquired Donte Stallworth off the field most snaps... it wasn't a development-friendly environment, but it did seem to work....
Great post. Adding...All Williams catches over 30 yards last season all went for TDs...
 
Boutte showed enough to determine 500-700 yards is his ceiling.

He wants to get paid now, it’s not a question of what happens two years from now.

Williams ripped off big plays in limited snaps. The undrafted WR’s are really talented. Addition by subtraction…
Do we really know that??
 
Boutte showed enough to determine 500-700 yards is his ceiling.

He wants to get paid now, it’s not a question of what happens two years from now.

Williams ripped off big plays in limited snaps. The undrafted WR’s are really talented. Addition by subtraction…
The "seeking alpha" approach: any move might be a home run and known quantities with role-player ceilings are not welcome.

One question, just to calibrate for/admit the risk profile you're embracing:

If the UDFAs are really talented,, why were they UD?
 
Boutte showed enough to determine 500-700 yards is his ceiling.

He wants to get paid now, it’s not a question of what happens two years from now.

Williams ripped off big plays in limited snaps. The undrafted WR’s are really talented. Addition by subtraction…
has anyone on the entire forum been wrong more than you?
you making ridiculous comments isn't moving the needle for anyone
 
has anyone on the entire forum been wrong more than you?
you making ridiculous comments isn't moving the needle for anyone
Hundreds.
 
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