DRAFT BGC 2021 Pre-Draft/Patriot-Type Prospect(s) thread

[BaconGrundleCandy]

 

[DaBruinz]

That's one that BB has attended himself numerous times.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

 

[Patsgofor4]

Oh, Tyler, you beautifully massive son-of-a-b*tch. I need you in Foxboro.....badly.

PS. Ja’Marr, what’s up with the T-Rex arms...

 

[Joker]

Pitts is a quantum leap above all others in the draft IMO....just a total beast

 

[WaterfallJumper]

Oh, Tyler, you beautifully massive son-of-a-b*tch. I need you in Foxboro.....badly.

PS. Ja’Marr, what’s up with the T-Rex arms...

He's probably my favorite pure run-stuffer in this draft class, but these numbers are painful. Worse than Brace (RIP).

 

[WaterfallJumper]

Double dip at Kentucky? I'm all for it!

 

[patsfanfromoversea]

He's probably my favorite pure run-stuffer in this draft class, but these numbers are painful. Worse than Brace (RIP).

Shelvin was my binkie early on bc he is a good NT and we badly needed one, but seeing McNeil and esp Brown with his athletic but still320 pounds i think Brown and McNeil are better suited for modern NFL than Shelvin.

 

[Patsgofor4]

He's probably my favorite pure run-stuffer in this draft class, but these numbers are painful. Worse than Brace (RIP).

8.19 three cone. Hahaha.

 

[WaterfallJumper]

Shelvin was my binkie early on bc he is a good NT and we badly needed one, but seeing McNeil and esp Brown with his athletic but still320 pounds i think Brown and McNeil are better suited for modern NFL than Shelvin.

That's exactly where I am in my eval, although Shelvin intrigues me if we want to run one of the old school 34 fronts. Nonetheless, he's got worse numbers than Danny Shelton. Think about that for a while. It's tough to imagine him holding up against outside zone or some of the RPO or spread concepts we've seen lately.

Brown has overtaken him for me, as much as I love what Shelvin does against runs up the middle.

 

[Patsgofor4]

He's probably my favorite pure run-stuffer in this draft class, but these numbers are painful. Worse than Brace (RIP).

 

[patsfanfromoversea]

That's exactly where I am in my eval, although Shelvin intrigues me if we want to run one of the old school 34 fronts. Nonetheless, he's got worse numbers than Danny Shelton. Think about that for a while. It's tough to imagine him holding up against outside zone or some of the RPO or spread concepts we've seen lately.

He would be only little to none use against this plays maybe. North South runs he would probably be our best player with God.

Brown has overtaken him for me, as much as I love what Shelvin does against runs up the middle.

Dito i really really wanted him here but Brown in the third > Shelvin in the third for me cause Brown at 320 pounds or McNeil are able to held their own as well and provide better against outside zone stuff. They both may no be that dominating north south but since you mentioned Shelton he got pushed back by double teams frequently as well even at his size

 

[DaBruinz]

Double dip at Kentucky? I'm all for it!

I'm interesting in Brandin Echols. He wore #26 for Kentucky in a video that @BaconGrundleCandy posted previously showing a Kelvin Joseph interception. Echols was 12-13 yards behind Joseph on the interception and he caught up to Joseph and could have easily passed Joseph.

edit: @BaconGrundleCandy - Hoping to see your take.. same with @reamer and @manxman2601

 

[Uptown]

 

[yukon cornelius]

@BaconGrundleCandy have you talked about Azeez Olujari at all?

heard him on the radio today......sounds like a great kid, really fit the profile of a kid BB would like....captain as a freshman, heady player, high character

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

I'm interesting in Brandin Echols. He wore #26 for Kentucky in a video that @BaconGrundleCandy posted previously showing a Kelvin Joseph interception. Echols was 12-13 yards behind Joseph on the interception and he caught up to Joseph and could have easily passed Joseph.

edit: @BaconGrundleCandy - Hoping to see your take.. same with @reamer and @manxman2601

Sorry been busy at work, just about done with PTP board. That'll be posted tonight.

Anyway Echols is a nice nickel/dime piece. Slight of frame but effective & willing in run support. Not much hesitation for someone 180-ish.

Easy pedal & turn. Smooth lower half that hips easy with his target. Like how patient he is with underneath stuff. Very adapt at letting it develop, staying on his man back shoulder/hip before coming up for a the swipe. Very good at playing the shallow routes across the MOF.

Good play & makeup speed. Seems to recover well. Seems to have decent IQ.

Seems to be comfortable and effective in zone/man. Good eyes and instincts although he could do a better job trying to bait at times.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

@BaconGrundleCandy have you talked about Azeez Olujari at all?

heard him on the radio today......sounds like a great kid, really fit the profile of a kid BB would like....captain as a freshman, heady player, high character

He really does seem like a humble, nice dude. Turns it on when he's on the field though. Aggressive, nasty play style. Raw as hell. Run & pass game he has almost no idea what he's doing. So when it comes to taking on blocks, rush variety - counters, block recognition and disengagement ... He has a lot to learn.

He has some burst, a little twitch and nice change of direction. If he has a crease he can flip his hips after delivering a serious jolt. Maxed out frame but hes ripped up and could get stronger. Plays with good leverage but that could improve as well. He's quick at times but hands could improve a little. Once and a while he'll duck his head both defending the run and rushing the passer but once he gets with a good coach so much will change.

He has + hips, twitch and power and utilizes all pretty effectively. Improve his hands and technique. Develop some solid counters.

Round two guy imo

 

[DropKickFlutie]

He's probably my favorite pure run-stuffer in this draft class, but these numbers are painful. Worse than Brace (RIP).

This score reminds me of the idiotic Patriots draft system instituted by McDaniels/Caserio that focuses on height or combine stats for WRs/CBs and has resulted in a graveyard of bust picks. Instead of looking at a core skill of whether a guy can get open or cover receivers.

What is the correlation between a DT being good, with their broad jump or other combine stats? How about the core skill of the job - is he the best DT at stuffing the run? I hope he drops because other teams stupidly pass on the kid because he isn't a great broad jumper.


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[patsfanfromoversea]

If Atlanta picks Kyle Pitts I think we might still have a shot at Lance/Fields depending on who the 9ers pick and would not have to trade up to 4. I expect bengals with either Pitts or Sewell and Phins with the leftover from Sewell Pitts or Chase. So we might could trade uo to 7 if carolina stays at 8 and still be able to get a QB. Do you guys think BB will do it in that scenario? and what would the estimated price we need to pay be ?