Best trade partner for our number 1 pick

[KDPPatsfan85]

I think we need to trade Mallett personally but either way I'd find something other than 29 to generate picks.

I think Mallett will be traded. The scenario I see happening is that the Patriots trade #29 and Mallett to acquire more picks since we only have a 1,2,3(maybe not if the steelers dont match), 7,7. If we trade Mallett, one of those picks will be used to draft another QB project and possibly Brady's successor. There is a list of teams that could trade back up in the first round.

 

[JoeSixPat]

IMO we should keep 29.

I'm leaning that way too - unless they can trade the #1 for a very early 2nd and still get the player they would have targeted at 29, plus pick up an additional pick or picks for it.

My thinking is that this is a deep WR draft and that even at 29 we're already likely to get good value - comparable top 20 or even top 15 value in any other draft lighter in WRs.

In recent drafts we've seen Belichick trade up to grab the guys he wants rather than taking a chance they'll last even a few picks more. Who knows how many he has on his wish list at 29 but I think its more likely you'll see him trade back with other picks and fill out the ranks with late draft choices and UFAs who still fit "his" schemes.

 

[IcyPatriot]

I am going into this draft with the mindset that we will not be selecting in rounds 1 or 2 at all.

I'm expecting a few mid round picks this year from trading our #1 and #2 into next year.

This year could be a record year for FA camp fodder.

 

[patfanken]

The whole concept of "Trading Down" this year is flawed. Sure it sounds good and makes sense. The problem is that EVERYONE from about the 6th pick down will be looking to trade down this year. There are very few (if any) sure things this season. This goes double after you get past the top 5 picks.

Everyone talks about the sweet spot of this draft starts at the bottom of the first round to the end of the 3rd. I just wonder what kind of value are the Pats going to get because anyone looking to trade up into the bottom of the first round is going to have several teams looking to make a deal. It will be a real buyer's market for sure.

For this reason, it might make more sense that for THIS season, BB might be better off keeping his own picks. Looks to me the only way the Pats are going to add more picks is with a Mallett trade and even then, the most likely structure for that deal would be a lower round pick this year, and a 2nd to 4th next depending of if he starts and how well be plays.

 

[Clonamery]

The whole concept of "Trading Down" this year is flawed. Sure it sounds good and makes sense. The problem is that EVERYONE from about the 6th pick down will be looking to trade down this year. There are very few (if any) sure things this season. This goes double after you get past the top 5 picks.

Everyone talks about the sweet spot of this draft starts at the bottom of the first round to the end of the 3rd. I just wonder what kind of value are the Pats going to get because anyone looking to trade up into the bottom of the first round is going to have several teams looking to make a deal. It will be a real buyer's market for sure.

For this reason, it might make more sense that for THIS season, BB might be better off keeping his own picks. Looks to me the only way the Pats are going to add more picks is with a Mallett trade and even then, the most likely structure for that deal would be a lower round pick this year, and a 2nd to 4th next depending of if he starts and how well be plays.

Ken, you are just soooo negative all the time.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

The whole concept of "Trading Down" this year is flawed. Sure it sounds good and makes sense. The problem is that EVERYONE from about the 6th pick down will be looking to trade down this year. There are very few (if any) sure things this season. This goes double after you get past the top 5 picks.

Everyone talks about the sweet spot of this draft starts at the bottom of the first round to the end of the 3rd. I just wonder what kind of value are the Pats going to get because anyone looking to trade up into the bottom of the first round is going to have several teams looking to make a deal. It will be a real buyer's market for sure.

For this reason, it might make more sense that for THIS season, BB might be better off keeping his own picks. Looks to me the only way the Pats are going to add more picks is with a Mallett trade and even then, the most likely structure for that deal would be a lower round pick this year, and a 2nd to 4th next depending of if he starts and how well be plays.

Of course, you're making the assumption that everyone in the draft acts rationally. . . . which we know is not the case.

 

[Brady6]

I am going into this draft with the mindset that we will not be selecting in rounds 1 or 2 at all.

I'm expecting a few mid round picks this year from trading our #1 and #2 into next year.

This year could be a record year for FA camp fodder.

Really because I am beginning to question whether BB has decided he just wants to draft first rounders and then take risks and problem children in later rounds? The second and third round of the draft is normally deluded with workout wonders who seventh round production in college.

If we don't trade Mallett I think he will draft a player he considers a sure thing at 29 and then trade the second for a fourth and fifth rounder and then just draft a bunch of hoodlums who fell because of personal or off field issues.

 

[Joey007]

I'd rather trade down the 2nd rounder for a 3rd and a 4th.

 

[mgteich]

I'd rather trade 29 for a 2nd and a 3rd.

I'd rather trade down the 2nd rounder for a 3rd and a 4th.

 

[Brady6]

I'd rather trade 29 for a 2nd and a 3rd.

Why? You pick up a 3rd rounder which last year netted us Jake Bequette? I'll take Harrison Smith last years 29th pick.

Pick at 29, there is always a talent drop off in round 2 especially since we are later so trade that for a 3 and 4 where the value isn't that far off.

 

[mgteich]

I just disagree. So, we made a mistake with Bequette.

The issue is whether there is significant difference between the quality at 29 and 49 in this draft at the positions we are interested in. If not, an additional 3rd (our only 3rd if we get Sanders) seems like a good idea.

Why? You pick up a 3rd rounder which last year netted us Jake Bequette? I'll take Harrison Smith last years 29th pick.

Pick at 29, there is always a talent drop off in round 2 especially since we are later so trade that for a 3 and 4 where the value isn't that far off.

 

[mgteich]

I now see my major disagreement with your analysis. There is no reason to believe that there will be a "sure thing" at 29. These players are usually gone by 16 (certainly by 20), although 1 or 2 may drop a bit in each draft.

Really because I am beginning to question whether BB has decided he just wants to draft first rounders and then take risks and problem children in later rounds? The second and third round of the draft is normally deluded with workout wonders who seventh round production in college.

If we don't trade Mallett I think he will draft a player he considers a sure thing at 29 and then trade the second for a fourth and fifth rounder and then just draft a bunch of hoodlums who fell because of personal or off field issues.

 

[Claremonster]

Why? You pick up a 3rd rounder which last year netted us Jake Bequette? I'll take Harrison Smith last years 29th pick.

Pick at 29, there is always a talent drop off in round 2 especially since we are later so trade that for a 3 and 4 where the value isn't that far off.

Damn you, I blame you for not telling BB ahead of time last year!

 

[Claremonster]

I just disagree. So, we made a mistake with Bequette.

The issue is whether there is significant difference between the quality at 29 and 49 in this draft at the positions we are interested in. If not, an additional 3rd (our only 3rd if we get Sanders) seems like a good idea.

Bequette also could be a late bloomer too. Bruschi didn't do much his first year. He ended up doing ok.

 

[mgteich]

So, we "probably" made a mistake on Bequette. That is not a criticism of last year's draft or of Belichick's cholces. We don't give up on draftees. Bequette will have another full season and a 3rd offseason to show his value.

BTW, Bruschi got on the field in his rookie season.

G Solo Ast Total Sac
1999 NE 14 71 36 107 1.5
2000 NE 16 68 38 106 1.0
2001 NE 15 54 19 73 2.0
2002 NE 11 45 19 64 4.0
2003 NE 16 81 52 133 2.0
2004 NE 16 78 45 123 4.5
2005 NE 9 37 26 63 2.0
2006 NE 15 54 59 113 1.5
2007 NE 16 64 29 93 2.0
2008 NE 13 38 37 75 0.0

Bequette also could be a late bloomer too. Bruschi didn't do much his first year. He ended up doing ok.

 

[lurker1965]

IMO we should keep 29.

If we do, it might be because there is a glut end of the first round picks looking to trade out of the first round. They might be so cheap that keeping it might be the best option.

 

[lurker1965]

Of course, you're making the assumption that everyone in the draft acts rationally. . . . which we know is not the case.

Al Davis is dead. :bricks:

(Only kidding, other people do irrationally fall in love with certain players some times.

 

[Brady6]

I just disagree. So, we made a mistake with Bequette.

The issue is whether there is significant difference between the quality at 29 and 49 in this draft at the positions we are interested in. If not, an additional 3rd (our only 3rd if we get Sanders) seems like a good idea.

I just have a hard time passing on a Trufant or Williams. I guess I'm really shocked to see us in this type of predicament in regards to draft picks I like Sanders and Talib as players but I'd like to improve in the draft too.

I still believe Mallett will get move or at least that's my hope.

 

[Brady6]

Damn you, I blame you for not telling BB ahead of time last year!

I will own that I lost his number..

 

[Brady6]

Bequette also could be a late bloomer too. Bruschi didn't do much his first year. He ended up doing ok.

I agree and I actually have high hopes for him year 2. Heard he has gained about 20-30 pounds which makes him a bigger DE and may give him a chance to play inside as we'll.

I just want 1 player from the draft who can be a starter at least and 29 gives us the best chance at that.