Best trade partner for our number 1 pick

[Claremonster]

So, we "probably" made a mistake on Bequette. That is not a criticism of last year's draft or of Belichick's cholces. We don't give up on draftees. Bequette will have another full season and a 3rd offseason to show his value.

BTW, Bruschi got on the field in his rookie season.

G Solo Ast Total Sac
1999 NE 14 71 36 107 1.5
2000 NE 16 68 38 106 1.0
2001 NE 15 54 19 73 2.0
2002 NE 11 45 19 64 4.0
2003 NE 16 81 52 133 2.0
2004 NE 16 78 45 123 4.5
2005 NE 9 37 26 63 2.0
2006 NE 15 54 59 113 1.5
2007 NE 16 64 29 93 2.0
2008 NE 13 38 37 75 0.0

He wasn't drafted in 99 (96)

BB should give Bequette moar time figgur $h!t out (like he does with Glass I Dowling).

 

[PATSNUTme]

Possible trading partners?

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This chart from the Huddle Report shows the draft picks by team and might be a key to the possible trading partners for the Patriots.

The teams that I would call likely are:
Bengals
Buc's
Jags
Titans

Another team in our division is the Dolphins so I would call them unlikely. Cards would be unlikely considering their trade to get Palmer. The Rams are another unlikely team.

Teams I would consider doubtful are:
Ravens- but we have dealt with them before
Vikings
Niners- they are loaded to trade up and may want 2 1st rounders
Falcons- same as Niners, but we do have a good contact there

It all depends on what player the team is targeting and the likelyhood of that player being there for the next time they pick.

Edit: started this thread on the draft forum but merging it with this one.

 

[Shockt327]

Bequette also could be a late bloomer too. Bruschi didn't do much his first year. He ended up doing ok.

Actually, he played a big role as a LB when the D would switch to Nickel in that '96 season. They really blitzed him quite a bit too. Not saying it was a monster year or anything, but he earned a following as a rook. People could see that he was one to keep an eye on.

 

[jmt57]

First, a draft trade value chart; for example:
Draft Countdown - Trade Value Chart

Next, a list of draft picks by team; for example:
2013 NFL Draft Picks by Team

(And yes, I know it has not been updated for compensatory picks; it doesn't have to be exact)


Scenario One:
Pats want to acquire additional picks.
Best potential trade partners would be teams with plenty of draft picks, such as the 49ers (11), Vikings (11), Eagles (9), Dolphins (9).

Pats draft pick values: 640, 310, 128 (may be gone for Sanders), 10, 3

(1a) -49ers-
49ers draft pick values: 600, 560, 292, 210, 120, 45, 31, 28, 23, 6, 2

Pats could trade down five spots, moving their 1.29 for the 49ers 2.34, and pick up the 31st pick of the 3rd round - though they may need to kick in a bit more to make it happen, like next year's 6th.

Another possibility would be to trade the first in exchange for 2.61, 3.76, 3.95, and a 7th round pick. You like this if you believe this is a 3 round deep draft, the Pats would now have four picks in the top 100, even after losing their 3rd for Sanders; on the other hand if you're a quality over quantity guy, you of course hate this trade.

Pats draft pick values: 640, 310, 128 (may be gone for Sanders), 10, 3
(1b) - Vikings
Vikings draft pick values: 760, 720, 380, 165, 96, 56, 31, 19, 12, 5, 5

Pats could trade down, moving their first pick in exchange for 2.52, 3.85, and 4.101.


Staying with Minnesota for a moment -
Scenario Two:
Pats want to move up for an earlier pick.

Pats could trade up, moving their first two picks in exchange for 1.23, 3.85, and the 22nd pick of the 5th round.

Pats could trade up, moving their first two picks in exchange for 1.25, 3.85 and the 23rd pick of the 4th round.

 

[PatsFanStnfrd]

First, a draft trade value chart; for example:
Draft Countdown - Trade Value Chart

Next, a list of draft picks by team; for example:
2013 NFL Draft Picks by Team

(And yes, I know it has not been updated for compensatory picks; it doesn't have to be exact)


Scenario One:
Pats want to acquire additional picks.
Best potential trade partners would be teams with plenty of draft picks, such as the 49ers (11), Vikings (11), Eagles (9), Dolphins (9).

Pats draft pick values: 640, 310, 128 (may be gone for Sanders), 10, 3

(1a) -49ers-
49ers draft pick values: 600, 560, 292, 210, 120, 45, 31, 28, 23, 6, 2

Pats could trade down five spots, moving their 1.29 for the 49ers 2.34, and pick up the 31st pick of the 3rd round - though they may need to kick in a bit more to make it happen, like next year's 6th.

Another possibility would be to trade the first in exchange for 2.61, 3.76, 3.95, and a 7th round pick. You like this if you believe this is a 3 round deep draft, the Pats would now have four picks in the top 100, even after losing their 3rd for Sanders; on the other hand if you're a quality over quantity guy, you of course hate this trade.

Pats draft pick values: 640, 310, 128 (may be gone for Sanders), 10, 3
(1b) - Vikings
Vikings draft pick values: 760, 720, 380, 165, 96, 56, 31, 19, 12, 5, 5

Pats could trade down, moving their first pick in exchange for 2.52, 3.85, and 4.101.


Staying with Minnesota for a moment -
Scenario Two:
Pats want to move up for an earlier pick.

Pats could trade up, moving their first two picks in exchange for 1.23, 3.85, and the 22nd pick of the 5th round.

Pats could trade up, moving their first two picks in exchange for 1.25, 3.85 and the 23rd pick of the 4th round.

Like your analyses. All great on paper. All theoretical.

In the real world, if the world knows your need to trade down, you are UNLIKELY to receive fair value. You will have to discount the value of your pick. That is what happened last year. BB did several trades which fell short of values reflected on the old trade chart. And there are plenty of examples where a team overpaid BB when they absolutely had to grab the player.

Having said all that, I still see BB trading down both top picks -- for whatever he can get.

Lesson for BB and the Pats: don't trade your draft picks for over the hill veterans who are about to be cut by their team. (Hint: Ocho and Haynesworth are the disasters for which the Pats are still paying in lost draft picks)

 

[Brady6]

First, a draft trade value chart; for example:
Draft Countdown - Trade Value Chart

Next, a list of draft picks by team; for example:
2013 NFL Draft Picks by Team

(And yes, I know it has not been updated for compensatory picks; it doesn't have to be exact)


Scenario One:
Pats want to acquire additional picks.
Best potential trade partners would be teams with plenty of draft picks, such as the 49ers (11), Vikings (11), Eagles (9), Dolphins (9).

Pats draft pick values: 640, 310, 128 (may be gone for Sanders), 10, 3

(1a) -49ers-
49ers draft pick values: 600, 560, 292, 210, 120, 45, 31, 28, 23, 6, 2

Pats could trade down five spots, moving their 1.29 for the 49ers 2.34, and pick up the 31st pick of the 3rd round - though they may need to kick in a bit more to make it happen, like next year's 6th.

Another possibility would be to trade the first in exchange for 2.61, 3.76, 3.95, and a 7th round pick. You like this if you believe this is a 3 round deep draft, the Pats would now have four picks in the top 100, even after losing their 3rd for Sanders; on the other hand if you're a quality over quantity guy, you of course hate this trade.

Pats draft pick values: 640, 310, 128 (may be gone for Sanders), 10, 3
(1b) - Vikings
Vikings draft pick values: 760, 720, 380, 165, 96, 56, 31, 19, 12, 5, 5

Pats could trade down, moving their first pick in exchange for 2.52, 3.85, and 4.101.


Staying with Minnesota for a moment -
Scenario Two:
Pats want to move up for an earlier pick.

Pats could trade up, moving their first two picks in exchange for 1.23, 3.85, and the 22nd pick of the 5th round.

Pats could trade up, moving their first two picks in exchange for 1.25, 3.85 and the 23rd pick of the 4th round.

That chart is all well and good but it's not that accurate it doesn't take in to account the players available at that spot. Washington paid a lot more to move for RGIII than this chart would indicated needed and a team like Dallas paid a lot less to get Claiborne.

 

[mgteich]

Exceptions are not reasons to ignore rules of thumb.

And yes, teams often pay more than the listed value when they are drafting QB's or moving up for them.

Also, like anything else, moving down is subject to supply and demand. If lots of folks want to move down, the team will get less than expected. On the other hand, if there are players that folks want to move up for, the team may get full value or more, especially for a QB.

That chart is all well and good but it's not that accurate it doesn't take in to account the players available at that spot. Washington paid a lot more to move for RGIII than this chart would indicated needed and a team like Dallas paid a lot less to get Claiborne.

 

[Brady6]

Exceptions are not reasons to ignore rules of thumb.

Who rules of thumb are they? Because I've never seem a GM pull out that sheet. That is basically a Vegas odds sheet for trades

 

[mgteich]

Believe what you want. Obviously, for you, the only analysis that matters is your own.

Who rules of thumb are they? Because I've never seem a GM pull out that sheet. That is basically a Vegas odds sheet for trades

 

[Brady6]

Believe what you want. Obviously, for you, the only analysis that matters is your own.

1. I like how you went back and edited your original post. Did you used to write the answers to the test on your palm in high school?
2. Show me one trade in the last 2 drafts that align within one draft choice of that charts values?

It's hard for me to find a guy who changes his threads after the fact analysis creditable plus you told me earlier twelve games missed in two years was half the games so I am having a hard time finding your believable, sorry.

 

[mgteich]

I sometimes edit my threads, usuually for spelling, occasionally to correct errors that folks point out.

Teams have been using a common set of draft value charts for 25 years. You are not required to look at them.

As far as the believability of my analysis, my analysis stands for itself. I have been sharing football analysis with others for 35 years and other analysis before that. There are more knowledgable folks here, but you are not close. You certainly are free to put me on ignore.

As for the draft, you can do your analyzes the last 2 years. I look forward to your verified analysis. Many of us have been analyzing the draft since before you were born. But that doesn't mean we know what we're doing; it just makes it more likely.

1. I like how you went back and edited your original post. Did you used to write the answers to the test on your palm in high school?
2. Show me one trade in the last 2 drafts that align within one draft choice of that charts values?

It's hard for me to find a guy who changes his threads after the fact analysis creditable plus you told me earlier twelve games missed in two years was half the games so I am having a hard time finding your believable, sorry.

 

[Brady6]

I sometimes edit my threads, usuually for spelling, occasionally to correct errors that folks point out.

Teams have been using a common set of draft value charts for 25 years. You are not required to look at them.

As far as the believability of my analysis, my analysis stands for itself. I have been sharing football analysis with others for 35 years and other analysis before that. There are more knowledgable folks here, but you are not close. You certainly are free to put me on ignore.

As for the draft, you can do your analyzes the last 2 years. I look forward to your verified analysis. Many of us have been analyzing the draft since before you were born. But that doesn't mean we know what we're doing; it just makes it more likely.

Your actually laughable you post things that don't make sense, add stuff that isn't true and I'm the guy that isn't knowledgeable. I tell you what MG you and I can meet in person and put as much money as you can pull together to bet on the table and the person who has more accurate football knowledge takes the money. You tell me the time, the date and the amount and I will be there cash in hand ready to show you how far off you are on so many levels.

Honestly I tried to show you respect in here but you're just out to troll on my and seeing how you supposedly have 5 more years of sharing analysis on football than I even have in this world your pretty petty and immature.

Either way I'm over you if you want to place a friendly wagger I'm in but if you want to keep trolling on me to feel some sense of your manhood don't bother because your really just coloring yourself pathetic.

 

[Gumby]

Re: Possible trading partners?

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This chart from the Huddle Report shows the draft picks by team and might be a key to the possible trading partners for the Patriots.

The teams that I would call likely are:
Bengals
Buc's
Jags
Titans

Another team in our division is the Dolphins so I would call them unlikely. Cards would be unlikely considering their trade to get Palmer. The Rams are another unlikely team.

Teams I would consider doubtful are:
Ravens- but we have dealt with them before
Vikings
Niners- they are loaded to trade up and may want 2 1st rounders
Falcons- same as Niners, but we do have a good contact there

It all depends on what player the team is targeting and the likelyhood of that player being there for the next time they pick.

Edit: started this thread on the draft forum but merging it with this one.

Looking at the team charts was interesting (wow!! are the 49ers LOADED - for an NFCCG contender who is NOT REBUILDING - they have a TON OF PICKS) but I couldnt really focus that way:

I think you need to look at it more from someone ELSE's NEED to figure out how might trade down. You need a team in the next 2-15 or so picks (31-45) [otherwise too expensive] who WANTS the same type player that someone in the 1-5 picks behind NE (30-34) wants.

29 PATRIOTS
30 FALCONS

31 49ERS
32 RAVENS[FONT=&quot][/FONT]
33 JAGUARS
34 49ERS
35 EAGLES
36 LIONS
37 BENGALS
38 CARDINALS
39 JETS
40 TITANS
41 BILLS
42 DOLPHINS
43 BUCCANEERS
44 PANTHERS
45 CHARGERS

Unfortunately I dont know enough about other teams needs to figure out who is most likely, but I can narrow the field based on public data:


after taking out the following pick, AFCE teams, and a few others (49ers already has 2, ravens unlikely to move 2 spaces, Bengals have 21, 37, 53 and would think wouldnt need to move around, panthers already missing 3 and 7rnds so they unlikely as well ). Where they have more/less picks than 1 per round is annotated.

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33 JAGUARS
35 EAGLES ............(0-6th, 4-7ths) 36 LIONS ...............(0-4th, 2-5th, 2-7th)

38 CARDINALS
40 TITANS .............(2-3rd, 2-7th)
43 BUCCANEERS (+2-4th, 2-6th)
45 CHARGERS

so Jags, Eagles, Lions, Titans, Bucs seem to me a bit more likely (although a deal wiht eagles/lions might need to be creative due to their mid-late round holes).

but again not sure what NEED would drive them.

 

[Off The Grid]

I'm over you if you want to place a friendly wagger I'm in but if you want to keep trolling on me to feel some sense of your manhood don't bother because your really just coloring yourself pathetic.

A Friendly Wagger:

I'm over you...

Well...that's good.

 

[ATippett56]

The New England Patriots could trade the 29th overall pick to the San Francisco 49ers for the 34th, 128th, 157th overall picks.

WalterFootball.com: 2013 NFL Draft Order

29th - 640 pts
34th - 560 pts
128th - 44 pts
157th - 28.6 pts

Draft Countdown - Trade Value Chart

Possible selections with the 128th overall pick:

Hugh Thornton, OG - Illinois
Josh Evans, FS - Florida (personal choice)
Marcus Lattimore, RB - South Carolina
Dwayne Gratz, CB - Connecticut
Dion Sims, TE - Michigan State
Montori Hughes, DT - Tennessee-Martin

Possible selections with the 157th overall pick:

Ty Powell, OLB - Harding
Josh Boyd, DT - Mississippi State
Tharold Simon, CB - LSU
Aaron Mellette, WR - Elon
Josh Boyce, WR - TCU
Reid Fragel, OT - Ohio State
Michael Ford, RB - LSU
Dallas Thomas, OG - Tennessee

 

[Kontradiction]

Tampa?

Apparently Schiano isn't sold on Freeman and they have a decent amount of picks (1, 2, 3, 4, 4, 5, 6, 7). If they can do a deal to get the 2nd rounder and both 4th round picks that would be a good deal for both teams.

With the quarterback class in this draft, that would be a bad move. Freeman isn't good by any stretch of the imagination, but he's better than anybody that is going to be coming out in this class.

IMO we should keep 29.

May I ask why you think so? This draft is very deep at literally every position of need for the Patriots. They don't have a lot of picks to begin with and will have one less if Pittsburgh decides not to match the offer for Sanders. Trade out of the first round and go into the second. You'll still have a fleet of quality WR's, S's, and DE's available.

 

[PATSNUTme]

Who rules of thumb are they? Because I've never seem a GM pull out that sheet. That is basically a Vegas odds sheet for trades.-WRONG

How many GM's have you ever seen pull out any sheet. Please be specific.

That trade value chart was made by Jimmy Johnson and is used as a guide by most NFL team. That is a well known fact.

 

[State]

This is guesswork, but I know there's turmoil in Steeler town. They might be motivated to make it happen.

They have just come off an 8-8 season, missing the playoffs for the first time since 2009. Their QB is showing damage from abuse.

Their offense was the worst since 1978. They've lost their top receiver. They have no running back to speak of. Their defense is aged, tired, and has lost its mojo. Pittsburgh Steelers GM ready to shake up roster - NFL.com

They probably have to match the Patriots offer for Emmanuel Sanders, but they have cap space problems.

I think Kevin Colbert is on the verge of Kevin Smith being told he can't drink beer and eat nachos. He's ready to go crazy.http://thefilmnest.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/Kevin-Smith.gif

 

[captain stone]

The New England Patriots could trade the 29th overall pick to the San Francisco 49ers for the 34th, 128th, 157th overall picks.

WalterFootball.com: 2013 NFL Draft Order

29th - 640 pts
34th - 560 pts
128th - 44 pts
157th - 28.6 pts

Draft Countdown - Trade Value Chart

Possible selections with the 128th overall pick:

Hugh Thornton, OG - Illinois
Josh Evans, FS - Florida (personal choice)
Marcus Lattimore, RB - South Carolina
Dwayne Gratz, CB - Connecticut
Dion Sims, TE - Michigan State
Montori Hughes, DT - Tennessee-Martin

Possible selections with the 157th overall pick:

Ty Powell, OLB - Harding
Josh Boyd, DT - Mississippi State
Tharold Simon, CB - LSU
Aaron Mellette, WR - Elon
Josh Boyce, WR - TCU
Reid Fragel, OT - Ohio State
Michael Ford, RB - LSU
Dallas Thomas, OG - Tennessee

I would really, really love to make that trade. Whom would the 49ers target at 29 that might not
be available at 34?

 

[Brady6]

Who rules of thumb are they? Because I've never seem a GM pull out that sheet. That is basically a Vegas odds sheet for trades.-WRONG[/

How many GM's have you ever seen pull out any sheet. Please be specific.

That trade value chart was made by Jimmy Johnson and is used as a guide by most NFL team. That is a well known fact.

Jimmy Johnson hasn't been a coach or GM 2004. This chart is antiquated, and does not reflect the impact of the new CBA and rookie salary model. You can feel free to use it but I will take a pass.