Belichick’s Trade Value.

[Ring 6]

Bill's 100% responsible for this team's lack of success on the field. Everything else is just conjecture.

Then that means you think he was 100% responsible for the success.

 

[PatsWSB47]

Brady QB'd a team that was absolutely stacked with talent.

BB is coaching a team that is still a long way from even getting an NFL-level QB and needed a bottom-up rebuild.

If Arien's had come to New England when Brady landed in TB, his record would have been atrocious.

If BB had gone to Tampa and Brady remained in NE, what do you think their post-team up records might have been?


Go ahead, flip the 2 - Bill B goes to the Bucs, Ariens comes to New England in 2020. Tell me their expected records and SB chances in that scenario.

Bill Belichick made that bed. He was wrong about what Brady had left in the tank and he's completely responsible for what the makeup of the team was/is since. He doesn't get to have any added legacy for any if this or that were flipped.

 

[Real fan 02]

Bill Belichick made that bed. He was wrong about what Brady had left in the tank and he's completely responsible for what the makeup of the team was/is since. He doesn't get to have any added legacy for any if this or that were flipped.

Agreed. If we could get a first rounder for BB it would be absolutely remarkable. We could get the QB and the WR both in the first. Wow.

 

[venecol]

I could see that happening if his time in NE is done. Don't know what he'd fetch in a trade scenario, but he'd bring more to the Chargers than any mid-first-round pick (which is where they've been mired for years) would contribute, that's for sure. Despite what many here shout every other post, BB remains very top tier on the field.

I'm thinking Washington. They're 4-4 in 1 score games. They have a league avg. O (21.7 ppg) and a bottom D (27.4 ppg).

Bill could help them tighten that D and Howell looks promising (#5 in YPG & TDs) w/ a great receiving corps.

Rivera is cooked and knows it:
"My big disappointment is that we haven't played as well on defense as we've needed to. Does that make my job security shaky? It could," Rivera said. "I have no idea what Mr. Harris is going to do. The truth is, it's the nature of the game. I get it. If it happens, it happens. If I stay, I stay. Until then we will continue to work."

New Owners that aren't afraid to spend and want to make the team relevant. WAS currently has the #10 pick in the draft. Two top 10 picks in the '24 draft would be awesome for the new Pats GM.

If that's too rich, I would take a '24 second and a '25 first. Make it happen Kraft.

 

[venecol]

Go ahead, flip the 2 - Bill B goes to the Bucs, Ariens comes to New England in 2020. Tell me their expected records and SB chances in that scenario.

Why? That's a waste of time. I know ppl think of BA as a clown but he's got a pretty good record w/ a .624 W% (.620 pre-Tom) and .667 W% in the playoffs. 2x AP Coach of the year and oldest coach to win a SB. Hard ass coach and his players loved him.

It's hard to say how he'd perform in NE given we don't know who the GM would've been. If he comes w/ Licht (who's 10x better than Bill), I like his chances: no Cam, better drafts. BA is also 10x better than Bill at developing QBs.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Then you're stuck with a failing GM/HC who's making top dollar.

There's no doubt in my mind that some team would love to have Bill but the question is will Kraft let him go? I'm not so sure that he would.

I don’t care, you don’t make ****ty deals just to make a deal. That said I don’t think Belichick would agree to be traded anyways.

 

[sb1]

I don’t care, you don’t make ****ty deals just to make a deal. That said I don’t think Belichick would agree to be traded anyways.

The idea of a GM trading himself is remarkable if it happens. I don’t think there is any precedent in sports. Wayne Gretzky to LA maybe based on influence but he didn’t have the GM title.

 

[50-yard-line]

Bill's 100% responsible for this team's lack of success on the field. Everything else is just conjecture.

Sure, trading picks to get players like Sanu, keeping vets on the roster till the bitter end of the run, going into late January or February 5 years in a row - then getting poached for coaches and players at above-market value, picking at the end of every round (if then when picks were stolen) - all of that, his fault.

The NFL isn't built for sustainability. BB and Brady defied the GREAT odds.

Get back to me when Tampa Bay is back in the Superbowl, or the Rams.

 

[50-yard-line]

Bill Belichick made that bed. He was wrong about what Brady had left in the tank and he's completely responsible for what the makeup of the team was/is since. He doesn't get to have any added legacy for any if this or that were flipped.

I notice you don't answer my question - and by the way, you DON'T KNOW why Brady left or what went into the decision, from him or the front office.

 

[Grogan14]

Why would any team trade for Bill? In addition to the fact he is 71 and maybe has 2-3 years left before he breaks Shula's record and then retires...
They KNOW the Patriots do not want to and will not keep him under any circumstances.
Kraft already knows bringing him back next year will accelerate fan disinterest in the team
Any interested team simply waits for Black Monday and the announcement that Bill and the Patriots have agreed to part ways.
Would be a firable offense for any GM to trade a draft pick for Bill at age 71.



"My offer is NOTHING"
Bill's trade value

 

[50-yard-line]

Why? That's a waste of time. I know ppl think of BA as a clown but he's got a pretty good record w/ a .624 W% (.620 pre-Tom) and .667 W% in the playoffs. 2x AP Coach of the year and oldest coach to win a SB. Hard ass coach and his players loved him.

It's hard to say how he'd perform in NE given we don't know who the GM would've been. If he comes w/ Licht (who's 10x better than Bill), I like his chances: no Cam, better drafts. BA is also 10x better than Bill at developing QBs.

A waste of time because the answer is evident: one roster locked and loaded, the other emptied, broke, and without draft capital.


Brady wouldn't have sniffed the playoffs here in New England and BB's record would be far superior to what he's accomplished here, though I doubt he'd have been back to a SB with no great QB.

 

[50-yard-line]

Why would any team trade for Bill? In addition to the fact he is 71 and maybe has 2-3 years left before he breaks Shula's record and then retires...
They KNOW the Patriots do not want to and will not keep him under any circumstances.
Kraft already knows bringing him back next year will accelerate fan disinterest in the team
Any interested team simply waits for Black Monday and the announcement that Bill and the Patriots have agreed to part ways.
Would be a firable offense for any GM to trade a draft pick for Bill at age 71.



"My offer is NOTHING"

People on message boards (and talk radio) think they represent the general zeitgeist of the world (and then are shocked by elections or attendance or whatever else the measure is).

 

[Thelonious]

Get what you can.

I suspect it will not be as much as the more optimistic posters believe. Other teams can see the same decline we see, and I do not think there will be a spate of teams interested, which would put a downward pressure on compensation. If in the end it is effectively one team, which is possible,the compensation will be even lower.

The main thing is to get it done, frankly. Let the rebuild/repair job begin.

 

[sb1]

Why would any team trade for Bill? In addition to the fact he is 71 and maybe has 2-3 years left before he breaks Shula's record and then retires...
They KNOW the Patriots do not want to and will not keep him under any circumstances.
Kraft already knows bringing him back next year will accelerate fan disinterest in the team
Any interested team simply waits for Black Monday and the announcement that Bill and the Patriots have agreed to part ways.
Would be a firable offense for any GM to trade a draft pick for Bill at age 71.



"My offer is NOTHING"
Bill's trade value

I will drive Bill to the airport myself if a team offers a first rounder for a 71 year old BB and pay HIM for the gas.

Most likely he is coaching his final 7 games in the NFL. Gonna take some getting used to not seeing him with that hoodie up patrolling the sidelines.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Belichick ‘trading himself’ for a 1st and change turns his next team into a media-circus, they will probably get Hard Knocks

Teams that hire a HC cannot be forced to appear.

 

[Brewskies]

As a Patriots fan since September 1960, that's 63 years. As a Bill Belichick fan, since he was hired in 2000 by Bob Kraft, that is 23 years. As a member of the "In Bill Belichick We Trust" Club, it pains me to read the Title of this thread.

I understand how it came to be. It doesn't make it easier to swallow.

Watching the Patriots decline since the last year of Tom Brady at the QB spot in 2019 has been a sickening feeling.

For 63 years, it has been a Must, like sitting down for Thanksgiving dinner, to watch the Patriots game played at whatever time it was scheduled.

For 22 years, I have called the same person 1/2 hour before the game started, and I have received a phone call from the same person at half-time for the past 22 years.

To be watching the demise of the Patriots, to be talking about the demise of the team, to be talking negatively about Bill Belichick as a Head Coach/GM, and to be thinking about him leaving the Patriots is stomach-turning.

That is all I have to say.

 

[Thelonious]

As a Patriots fan since September 1960, that's 63 years. As a Bill Belichick fan, since he was hired in 2000 by Bob Kraft, that is 23 years. As a member of the "In Bill Belichick We Trust" Club, it pains me to read the Title of this thread.

I understand how it came to be. It doesn't make it easier to swallow.

Watching the Patriots decline since the last year of Tom Brady at the QB spot in 2019 has been a sickening feeling.

For 63 years, it has been a Must, like sitting down for Thanksgiving dinner, to watch the Patriots game played at whatever time it was scheduled.

For 22 years, I have called the same person 1/2 hour before the game started, and I have received a phone call from the same person at half-time for the past 22 years.

To be watching the demise of the Patriots, to be talking about the demise of the team, to be talking negatively about Bill Belichick as a Head Coach/GM, and to be thinking about him leaving the Patriots is stomach-turning.

That is all I have to say.

I've been a fan for the same span. Bill is hurting my team at this point. He's old; I'm old. People get old, and at some point we retire. I'm retired. I have enjoyed being an fan when they have been so-so or worse in the past - I happily reposed giddy, unwarrantedly strong faith in The Stanley Steamer, for example, and so on: I expect to enjoy this rebuild as well. Why not? I see all of this as being in the natural course of things, and getting upset over matters which are in the natural course of things is a risky business, conducing to unhappiness. Let's all reread Ecclesiastes and roll on. Frankly, I am more irked over Bill's cruel mishandling of Mac than I am over Bill's facing the inevitable. But then, maybe there was some inevitability involved there as well!

 

[Love The Drake]

I think a third rounder makes sense.

 

[PATS16N0]

I don’t care, you don’t make ****ty deals just to make a deal. That said I don’t think Belichick would agree to be traded anyways.

The thing is, though, is that Belichick IS the GM. He would be deeply involved in his own trade negotiations. He would choose the teams he’d even be willing to humor. Right now it sounds like there’s a handful of teams in the mix, and “in the mix” means Belichick would be on board with them.

Belichick would be choosing the team and Kraft would be okay’ing the compensation.

 

[PATS16N0]

It’s not like Kraft just ships him off to someone and Belichick has to take it. That obviously is not how this is going to work.