Bedard: There was second guessing about Mayo over summer and him getting a second year isn't guaranteed

[UGAPatsfan]

Before Mayo was even hired I said on this board that I had a hunch whomever was hired to replace Bill was a fall guy heel. Sort of like in pro wrestling when a good guy has the belt, and they want a different good guy to have it…they have first good guy lose to a bad guy who them promptly loses the belt to new good guy.

I don’t know if ANYONE would have successfully followed Bill.

Mayo probably could have kept the job had he performed well but…dang if it hasn’t been worse than anyone imagined.

 

[signbabybrady]

I don't hate Belichick and I fully acknowledge him as one of the GOATs alongside Bill Walsh and others. I just can't think of a time he did something amazing as a coach without having LT when he was DC or when he had Brady at QB.

If you bring up missing the playoffs with Matt Cassel, just remember Todd Haley made the playoffs with Matt Cassel.

I want Mayo to succeed and if he does i would credit Belichick for Mayo's success for being part of his coaching tree.

You all blamed McDaniels, Patricia, Flores, and Mangini for failing to succeed because they tried emulating Belichick too much and now deride Mayo for not doing it. Again it's pure comedy gold the way you Belichick fans act and debate.

I've never heard a 49er fan say Walsh never won anything without Joe.

And actually by this flawed logic one could actually argue Seifert is better than Walsh. Walsh never won anything without Joe. But Seifert won with 2 different QBs which apparently is more important than the fact Walsh won more.

 

[PancakeBlockPaul]

Yep, if what he is doing with Goff is any indication, what he would do with Maye might be off the charts. Maye in two games has proven he can do the following A) go through his progressions quickly B) after doing so, make the right decision on what to do almost 100 percent of the time. C) He can run the no huddle. D) Diagnose the pressure pre snap E) Understand what to do with the ball pre snap. F) Know what to do with the ball post snap.

Thats the stuff that elite QBs can do. Put Maye in offense where guys are getting open left and right, he might throw 60 TDs. I haven't seen someone that I have been as impressed with so early as I was with Brady. Maye has some Brady traits..or at least stuff that makes me go hmmmm this might end up being something really really good.

If there is one inkling of something positive to take from this year so far it's Maye. Hopefully the front office can put the rest of the parts we need around him to be successful. Doesn't have to be Brady success (would be nice though). Maybe they learned their lesson with MJ and are/have done the right things with him.

 

[Ross12]

Part of me wonders too about how they view certain situations. They specifically drafted Polk because he was supposed to be a high character guy. They signed Osborn because he’s supposed to have good character. Now somehow they’re both “divas”? Other guys are acting out too? Something doesn’t pass the smell test…

 

[MrBigglesWorth]

Mayo will keep his job unfortunately. What will happen is both coordinators will be fired. This will be a bill O'Brien type scenariom

 

[XLIX]

This whole situation - like so many things this organization does - was quite strange. Mayo was (allegedly) chosen to succeed Belichick 4 years ago. So NE got to circumvent the Rooney Rule.

Then (depending upon what reports you believe) Mayo walks around for a couple years like the BMOC because he knows he's the next HC. It sets up a strange conflict of interest to have a formalized succession plan in place. Mayo benefits by the team doing so poorly that Belichick gets fired. Now he's certainly not the first guy to get promoted when an HC was fired, but it usually isn't so formalized.

I am not saying he sabotaged Belichick but at the same time I am not sure all ships were sailing in the same direction. If you gave him truth serum, he probably wasn't exactly all that heart broken with each loss last year. When coaches get fired at the end of the season, it usually leads to a huge house cleaning..... so (usually) no member of the coaching staff is walking around the halls of a 4-13 team feeling safe.

 

[Steve102]

This needs to be turned into an ink-on-parchment manuscript and framed!

Glad you like it.

Blood in animal akin might be better.

 

[Brick27]

Before Mayo was even hired I said on this board that I had a hunch whomever was hired to replace Bill was a fall guy heel. Sort of like in pro wrestling when a good guy has the belt, and they want a different good guy to have it…they have first good guy lose to a bad guy who them promptly loses the belt to new good guy.

I don’t know if ANYONE would have successfully followed Bill.

Mayo probably could have kept the job had he performed well but…dang if it hasn’t been worse than anyone imagined.

Hopefully Mayo is Iron Sheik and we land our Hulk Hogan, brother.

 

[upstater1]

What exactly does Mayo do? He calls himself a "CEO coach" & from what I can tell he runs around the building trying to make himself look busy, pointing fingers & making excuses for himself. He doesn't contribute anything from an X's & O's standpoint. He's not all involved with the defensive game plan. He doesn't do any actual coaching. And now he's lost the locker room.

Mayo brings zero value & there's absolutely no reason for the Krafts to bring him back.

He's young. He's green.

But don't tell me he doesn't know Xs and Os when Belichick used to entrust the relay of the coach's directions to him. Mayo was the main guy out there in the late oughts.

They called him Jerod Belichick because his study of football was legendary. He was a football 100% of the time guy. He had coach written all over him.

I don't know if it's ego or whatever that got him into this predicament, but the fact is, Mayo has always been coach material, not now he has gotten sucked into a very bad situation.

 

[upstater1]

If this is true, they need to already have someone in mind. If they don't, this will create more chaos and draw this out. Canning a first year HC after half a season is no way to start a rebuild. I get that people are unhappy with the results so far (yours truly included). What did they honestly expect? To be undefeated? JFC, BB, GOAT HC, was not turning things around and he had what, 5 years of trying to do so? If this happens, they have to bring in a known commodity like Vrabel or Kingsbury and not take a flyer on someone who is "such a great guy and teammate" and a virgin at HC. As much as I hate losing, I really hope the leash he is on is not this short. Also...if Mayo is gone, is everyone else going to be purged later on

I'd argue 3 years.

2020 was a wash.

 

[mgteich]

just waiting on Kraft to say Mayo has the full support of ownership...

For now, he does.

It is very unlikely that AVP, Covington or Mayo will be replaced before the end of the season.

 

[upstater1]

Firing Mayo means you have absolutely no belief he will ever be a coach.

BECAUSE no one is coming to New England who is very good knowing that the team just fired a guy in his first year.

This is a very bad look for the Krafts.

The coaching fraternity has to view this franchise as untrustworthy at this point.

Do you want to come coach the Patriots?

They fired Bill Parcells in a dirty rancorous affair, they fired future HOFer Pete Carroll, they fired 6 Super Bowl winning Bill Belichick, and then they fired Jerod Mayo after 1 year.

Think of how this looks to the outside NFL world. I would not want to come into this place.

Maybe a guy like Brian Flores who is considered damaged goods, but certainly not many others.

 

[gobesmug]

I've never heard a 49er fan say Walsh never won anything without Joe.

And actually by this flawed logic one could actually argue Seifert is better than Walsh. Walsh never won anything without Joe. But Seifert won with 2 different QBs which apparently is more important than the fact Walsh won more.

I don't disagree with that at all. Joe Gibbs winning 3 superbowls with 3 different mediocre QBs might be the most impressive coaching feat in the NFL history.

I just like to jab at Belichick fans after all their whining to have any mention of Brady being moved into an entirely different portion of the forum. And now their burning desire to see Mayo, Wolf and Kraft fail at the expense of the Pats losing.

Belichick is absolutely one of the GOATs but he still has his warts like any other all time great.

 

[mgteich]

Agreed, McAdoo is on staff and can be an interim HC for half a season.

I agree. In a sense, I always thought that he had two roles: a protector and developer for Maye and as an advisor to management.

Yes, McAdoo could be an interim coach.

 

[signbabybrady]

I don't disagree with that at all. Joe Gibbs winning 3 superbowls with 3 different mediocre QBs might be the most impressive coaching feat in the NFL history.

I just like to jab at Belichick fans after all their whining to have any mention of Brady being moved into an entirely different portion of the forum. And now their burning desire to see Mayo, Wolf and Kraft fail at the expense of the Pats losing.

Belichick is absolutely one of the GOATs but he still has his warts like any other all time great.

I've heard this explanation from a few others and I would give the same caution: please keep in mind that most of us on here love both Bill and Brady and when jabs get thrown just for the sake of this stupid pointless debate it feels like we all take it on the chin not necessarily just your intended target.

 

[gobesmug]

Firing Mayo means you have absolutely no belief he will ever be a coach.

BECAUSE no one is coming to New England who is very good knowing that the team just fired a guy in his first year.

This is a very bad look for the Krafts.

The coaching fraternity has to view this franchise as untrustworthy at this point.

Do you want to come coach the Patriots?

They fired Bill Parcells in a dirty rancorous affair, they fired future HOFer Pete Carroll, they fired 6 Super Bowl winning Bill Belichick, and then they fired Jerod Mayo after 1 year.

Think of how this looks to the outside NFL world. I would not want to come into this place.

Maybe a guy like Brian Flores who is considered damaged goods, but certainly not many others.

You make a compelling argument. Then again, Belicheck coached for over 20 years and was the highest paid coach and given full control over the roster. The only thing he had to do was keep winning.

If you have a talented HC candidate, who thinks he can win with Maye for the next 15-20 years, then this isn't a terrible spot either.

If you are Merv Lewis 2.0, then it's probably best to wait for the next time the Bengals have an opening

 

[mgteich]

For now, he does.

It is very unlikely that AVP, Covington or Mayo will be replaced before the end of the season.

However, McAdoo is there if needed.

 

[mike_usagisan]

I’m 90% sure Wolf outranks Mayo, but Mayo was here before Wolf. Wolf didn’t choose Mayo and probably realized by middle of training camp that it wasn’t going to work out.

In these situations, usually the owner fires the HC, lets the GM hire the new coach and their fates are intertwined. So Wolf might get one more shot.

 

[mike_usagisan]

I’m 90% sure Wolf outranks Mayo, but Mayo was here before Wolf. Wolf didn’t choose Mayo and probably realized by middle of training camp that it wasn’t going to work out.

I also suspect AVP doesn’t report to Mayo. Which makes you wonder what he’s actually coach of?

 

[mike_usagisan]

Or maybe he realized he failed to improve the roster and left Mayo trash to work with and started to build the case against Mayo to save his job as GM.

Both are going to make their case to Kraft. And the media. So we’ll start getting a lot more finger pointing media leaks.