BaconGrudleCandy the draft God

[BaconGrundleCandy]

Sorry for the late reply. I haven't checked this thread in a while and just noticed it was bumped.

1) One of the main things I learned about the draft in general is people massively overvalue certain picks. Particular the #1 overall pick. Unless you have a Peyton Manning or Andrew Luck you should almost always trade down from that spot if possible. People often fall in love with the top rated QB, who is just as likely to hit as just about any other first round QB. Another that the value in the draft often falls within picks 8-15 in the first round. That is in large part because people too often fall in love with super athletes or people who fit the mold perfectly, as opposed to who is actually the best player. Aaron Donald is a great example. Didn't he fall because he was too small? Let other teams worry about who fits the prototype the best, worry about that guy who has a single 'flaw' that absolutely blows you away. That is the player you want.

I'm of this mindset too. I'm taking QB, a freak of nature or trade back. Most of the time a prospect is giving you the same numbers as someone a round later.

2) It's all about QBs. For players of course you have 1983 for QBs which was a massive draft and 2014 in more recent history. But I prefer drafts that signalled that there was a shift in league thinking. I would love to pick that one draft where the GMs finally 'got it' and realized the league had chanced, but even in 2017 a guy like Fournette was still going top 5, which is insane in today's game. It was too gradual. As for players who made a difference I think Shannon Sharpe was a big one. He was picked in round 7 cause he didn't fit the mold. I don't think TEs were ever valued the same way after that he signalled to GMs that we are no longer player 70s ground and pound. Some had gotten that massage, but he made it clear to everyone that we need to think differently about how we look at offense, which changes how you look at defense.

3) Cleveland proved that talent without purpose and coaching means nothing. Besides QB I thought they had a lot of potential hits on their hands that they allowed to get ruined and it goes to show that talent only matters when you have it pulling in a unified and coordinated direction. As far as teams that hit on talent and are able to use it, it's hard to look at a better example than the Ravens. They have been amazing at the draft and have the know how to tape into that talent year after year.

Yep without player development, work ethic and camaraderie you no culture. I like the bold, great way to describe it.

4) I don't think you have a strongest spot or one that is particularly weak. It changes year to year. If I went over the numbers i'm sure one would kind of stick out but I don't think it is glaring. Off the top of my head I would guess your best is WR and your worst might well be Edge, but I think that's in part because you seem to especially love edge players and so rank more of them than any other spot year after year.

Yea I'm sure I have my biases. I'm sure as hard as I try to be objective I fall to victim to personal favorites and name prospects. Feel like I've gotten better with some stuff it's tough to not look at draft stuff, opinions on Twitter etc when I'm watching and researching so much of the sport.

5) Nope. I don't have a good enough memory to keep that kind of information in my mind. But when it comes to rounds I will say this. The 4th round is massively undervalued. Technically you could trade the 16th overall pick for 12 or so 4th round picks. That to me is insane. So really any 4th round class is a good example of where to find value in my mind. The 5th round seems to fall off a cliff routinely.

I was going to say the same about the 5th. I feel like the 3rd too.

Appreciate the feedback!

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

I don't think you are giving yourself enough credit, tbh. You've been able to use your draft knowledge to critique players who are playing currently.
Define being "smart". Is it book knowledge? Is it practical application knowledge? Is it "street smarts"? Is is having "Un"-commen sense?

You have similarities to Joel Buschbaum. I say that because he was a savant. He could review the all-22 tapes and see what players were doing right, wrong, and how players abilities might be over-valued or under-valued depending on the team they were on. You've shown a very similar ability with your PTP Draft Boards and your player evals. You've also been able to project pretty decently how players would do regardless of the teams they went to. THAT is what is amazing to me..

A person like yourself who can evaluate college players the way you do is worth his weight in gold. You said you were 185 lbs, right? By my calculations (2700 Troy Ounces * $1849) that's just shy of $5M.. LOL. In all seriousness. There is no harm at all in putting together what you have accomplished and sending it to Belichick. The worst that could happen is that you get a letter back from Berj saying that they're not interested in what you offer. But, at least you'll be able to say that you tried. And it won't nag at you in the back of your mind.

appreciate it, nice to hear this sometimes bc it's not easy. Thanks man

 

[Mark Morse]

Have you added any players into your Patriots draft board based upon the Senior Bowl practices? Anyone you need to look at again?

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

Have you added any players into your Patriots draft board based upon the Senior Bowl practices? Anyone you need to look at again?

I will be updating very soon. Hate using it as an excuse but work has been killing me. Don't anticipate big changes. Looks like some reshuffling and probably adding 5-8 prospects I'd guess.

 

[Mark Morse]

I want to use your big board for an upcoming Mock Draft. That worked out to very interesting exercise last year.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

I want to use your big board for an upcoming Mock Draft. That worked out to very interesting exercise last year.

I'm taking tomorrow off regardless if it snows or not here so I can watch the game. Hopefully can update it then but definitely soon. Appreciate it.

 

[BobDigital]

So it has been a while and I took a few years off when it has come to keeping up to date, as this takes a bit of a research, but I have not forgotten this thread as i consider it the most important one I've ever made. Maybe I will stop keeping track all together once I have a 10 year sample of data. But that is just cause at that point, what would more data really give us?

So in thanks for all the years Bacon has kept doing his thing and keeping us informed (yes I've read most of his stuff even if I haven't responded a ton) as i find it kind of just gums up the works if too many people respond to his draft break downs, but I am here yet again to pump his tires. Here are my 2018 draft grades for Bacon, and perhaps I will do 2019 as well, but maybe the extra year out to watch this prospects develop would not be out of line, though I partly feel trying to grade them after their first contract is not as impactful in some ways, as they can be signed to someone else.

So without getting too into this, you've seen me do it before, here are my grades on Bacon's 2018 draft. And as usual round 1 first.

QBs - 2/4. He hit on Lamar and Mayfield. And yes, Mayfield is a hit. Still starting and producing and actually just had one of his better years. Missed on Rosen (me too) and Darnold (me too).
RBs - 1/2* or 1/1 He hit on Barkley but missed on Guice... (kinda). I almost don't even want to call this a miss as it was just injury after injury starting with an ACL is his first preseason game. Frankly i don't think he ever had a chance to play more than a few downs between his several major injuries. I can't think of any of Bacon's other picks that have been this badly bitten by the injury bug at the very start. So I'm going to do something I don't think I've done before and give this one a complete mulligan. I don't think it be fair to add this as a miss. I've called other injured players of his misses in the past, but they at least had healthy stretches and while it could be said they were never the same after the injury (which can't be proven one way or the other) we at least have a sample size to look at. Here there is just no sample.
Guards - 2/2 hit on Nelson and Wynn (though boo for not seeing he'd be a tackle) : P
Center - 1/1 on James Daniels (now a guard, but that happens a lot).
D Line - 1/2 Vita Vea Taven Bryan - Vea a clear hit. Bryan just didn't do enough and with a later questionable hit given I can't give anymore leeway on maybes.
Linebacker - 2/2 Roquin Smith Tremaine Edmunds - nuff said.
RUSH - 3/3 Bradley Chubb, Harold Landry, Marcus Davenport are all hits. I know Davenport has had a not so great run recently but judging by the whole rookie contract he's a clear hit. And while he may not always get the starts or the sacks he plays starter snaps and his impact is felt even when he doesn't get a sack, but i don't think i need to justify him as a hit too much.
CB - 2/4 Jaire Alexander Denzel Ward Mike Hughes Isaiah Oliver - Alexander and Ward are obvious hits. Oliver is a heartbreaker for me, as he had a decent stretch in his young years and seems to have found his legs in a new scheme in SF. And for all the negatives you can say about him, he's been one of the top 3 CBs on his team as often as not while in the NFL which is the mark of a starter these days. Mike Hughes is the same kind of situation. A starter more than not. and doing better away from his original team IMO. In the end I decided to look at their pay to see what GMs think they are worth. Both are being paid top 60 money at their position. Even counting young players not paid much this COULD put both inside the top 96 at their position and hence an NFL starter level player. If only barely. Part of me wants to split the difference and give him 3/4, but this being 1st rounders I think i need to hold firm here even if both are borderline.
S - 3/3 Derwin James Minkah Fitzpatrick Justin Reid all hits, and holy crap what a safety class!

So the final tally is out of 24 first round grades 17 hits with 1 mulligan. So 71%. Bad year for Bacon, great year for just about anyone else.

Now the second round, and as usual the standard drops. and I won't mention names anymore for all of them. You can see them in Bacon's grades if you want.

QB - 2/4 - Allen is the clear hit here, and I need to give Rudolph a barely hit as well as by this time no one should try to find starters outside of the first round. Rudolph is a premier back up who can and has started successful when asked. While for any other position this would be a miss, for QB I consider this enough to hit. Even though Bacon considers a 2nd round QB should be a future starter by his metric in the grade i think that is overly ambitious these days.
WR - 6/14 - not great but some nice hits here.
RB - 2/5 Rashaad Penny is the near miss here. Sony Michel is someone i was on the fence about, but in the end he played out almost all his rookie contract as a capable starter. Have to give it to him. And considering Penny's near miss i don't feel bad about it. I think it is fair even if he never plays outside of it.
TE - 2/3
Tackle - 2/3
Guard - 1/1
Center - 1/3 Frank Ragnow as a 2nd round pick. But honestly even really good centers sometimes fall that far as the allure of CBs. WRs and other spots can be too much. Billy Price another near miss.
Rush - 6/8 Ogbonnia is a hit for a second rounder, and still has one of the craziest names in NFL history. Some other close hits too. But after a tough start the ship has righted a little.
DL - 3/4 Maurice Hurst is a miss here. He's still around but not really playing much and his pay reflects that. Just a situational guy and not even a good one. Shepherd is kind of like Hurst, but he is a good situational guy, which is just enough for a hit when you have a 2nd round grade IMO. .
LB - 5/8 - Evans didn't do well in Dallas last year, but judging by his first 5 years he's a clear hit for this round. Also Leonard as a second round pick, i know Bacon wants that one back.
CB - 2/6 - CB is usually one of Bacon's best spots, but this year wasn't great for him.
S - 3/5 - And a nice strong end on safety, one of his other better spots.

Overall second rd grade. 35/64 55%. Again a bad year for Bacon, but incredibly good if you're an NFL GM.

 

[jmt57]

Normally I have an extremely strong repulsion to the necroing of ancient threads.

This thread is a complete, 100% exception to that rule.

Thanks much @BobDigital for keeping score, and thanks much @BaconGrundleCandy for all the detailed analysis that we rely on.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

I appreciate this a lot @BobDigital !

It's nice to look back and just get a bit of where you were at back then. 2018 feels like forever ago.

I love accountability. We lack it almost everywhere in today's society. It's nice to look back on who had who - where and how they turned out relative to the value I placed on them. I think people are interested in this stuff, who's good and how someone has done over the years.

There's so much "clutter" nowadays that it's not easy keeping track off who had who where for every position. Draft geeks are always compared to guys who get "paid" (believe it or not but i would be taking a pay cut as a scout as a lot arent paid well at all especially when you look at the impact they have on a billion dollar franchise ) so it's nice to look at that. When you talk about strictly scouting, evaluating and drafting prospects. I've always believed that the best of the best outsiders are as good or would be better than a lot of gms.
That said I'm smart enough to know I'm not that smart. And most of those guys are very intelligent people that bring a lot more to the table than the draft aspect of things. I still think it would be cool to bring in an outsider of sorts about a week or two before the draft as a kind of check and balance of sorts.

Personally I love looking back on individual positions after Bob breaks down the tally. Which is my strongest and weakest positions? I can look for trends among hits or misses. Just get a feel for areas I might be able to improve on. That's one of my favorite things about this for sure.

I appreciate the leeway when it comes to positions. Ultimately I go where I think the prospect fits in my head but I'm not a coach. We all know how common it is for iol. I appreciate the "is the player a hit or miss."

I will say that it's tough taking a hit to my % again I love accountability, being honest and it's not that serious. It's only sports. That said I feel like it's gotten tougher and easier in some respects.
When I first started out it was incredibly hard to find college A22. Now there's multiple sources if you really dig deep. There's classes you can take and many people to learn from. The other side is that there's so many more prospects than 10-20 years ago bc of the emergence of tape. Today almost every school has someone who's worth a look.


Ultimately I do this for myself but I really do like sharing information. Love trying to put together a NEP big board every year.

Thanks again @BobDigital
I look forward to future bumps and hope you're doing well bro!

 

[aluminum seats]

I appreciate this a lot @BobDigital !

It's nice to look back and just get a bit of where you were at back then. 2018 feels like forever ago.

I love accountability. We lack it almost everywhere in today's society. It's nice to look back on who had who - where and how they turned out relative to the value I placed on them. I think people are interested in this stuff, who's good and how someone has done over the years.

There's so much "clutter" nowadays that it's not easy keeping track off who had who where for every position. Draft geeks are always compared to guys who get "paid" (believe it or not but i would be taking a pay cut as a scout as a lot arent paid well at all especially when you look at the impact they have on a billion dollar franchise ) so it's nice to look at that. When you talk about strictly scouting, evaluating and drafting prospects. I've always believed that the best of the best outsiders are as good or would be better than a lot of gms.
That said I'm smart enough to know I'm not that smart. And most of those guys are very intelligent people that bring a lot more to the table than the draft aspect of things. I still think it would be cool to bring in an outsider of sorts about a week or two before the draft as a kind of check and balance of sorts.

Personally I love looking back on individual positions after Bob breaks down the tally. Which is my strongest and weakest positions? I can look for trends among hits or misses. Just get a feel for areas I might be able to improve on. That's one of my favorite things about this for sure.

I appreciate the leeway when it comes to positions. Ultimately I go where I think the prospect fits in my head but I'm not a coach. We all know how common it is for iol. I appreciate the "is the player a hit or miss."

I will say that it's tough taking a hit to my % again I love accountability, being honest and it's not that serious. It's only sports. That said I feel like it's gotten tougher and easier in some respects.
When I first started out it was incredibly hard to find college A22. Now there's multiple sources if you really dig deep. There's classes you can take and many people to learn from. The other side is that there's so many more prospects than 10-20 years ago bc of the emergence of tape. Today almost every school has someone who's worth a look.


Ultimately I do this for myself but I really do like sharing information. Love trying to put together a NEP big board every year.

Thanks again @BobDigital
I look forward to future bumps and hope you're doing well bro!

Kudos to @BobDigital for doing this and second your thoughts about accountability. That really hit me this year with the quarterback discussions, all these guys throwing out their opinions and nowhere did I really see anything where it was laid out how well they’ve done in the past picking the right guy. As soon as one draft ends it all goes down the memory hole and they just start spouting whatever they want the next year

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Kudos to @BobDigital for doing this and second your thoughts about accountability. That really hit me this year with the quarterback discussions, all these guys throwing out their opinions and nowhere did I really see anything where it was laid out how well they’ve done in the past picking the right guy. As soon as one draft ends it all goes down the memory hole and they just start spouting whatever they want the next year

I agree. But when I look at past performance I can not find a consistent draft high performer. If a guy does well for a year or two, he seems to bomb the next year. So I gave up looking.

 

[captain stone]

And remember, it's not just about talent but about need & fit also. Non-QBs taken inside the top 100 should be able to hit the ground running if they were evaluated properly, which of course hasn't consistently happened here since BIll's FO contemporaries left and he relied on unqualified thanksdad hacks such as Ziggy the Pinhead, Little Nicky Cesar, Al Groh's kid etc...

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

I agree. But when I look at past performance I can not find a consistent draft high performer. If a guy does well for a year or two, he seems to bomb the next year. So I gave up looking.

It's just a tough position to evaluate and there are real reasons for that. There's a saying that goes "players/prospects don't bust, teams do." And again it's just very tough to evaluate young men going into an all-star league. I think Brugler, Waldman and Lance are probably the best out there. QB school too specifically for QB.

I actually think I'm pretty good with that position as well. I'm a very tough grader and don't care about "ranking" prospects 1, 2, 3 etc. I like to end up with a specific value for each prospect. Like I was low on Josh Allen with a 2nd round grade but it took him a few yeas to become superman. I think a 1st RD guy should hit the ground running. It took Allen a good few years to become a legit top 2-5 guy. Of course we saw flashes but it wasn't until he got Diggs, Davis, proper coaching and continued confidence from the organization that he flourished. I should of had a higher grade but just some context. Same with Love, I had a high 2nd on him but he didn't start right away and ended up in a great situation in terms of personnel and coaching. We'll see if he gets it up but again just some context in how I approach things. Love could end up tearing up the league but it took a minute to get there.

I probably should give a few more points for potential or upside in those cases but both guys took a minute to break out and needed the right track to run.

I would say those 4 are as good as it gets though (Brugler, Waldman, Lance, QB school)
Merrill Hodge too. He's been as good as it gets as well. Simms isn't bad but he'll end up with some big misses to go with some nice hits. Thats something I would always try to stay away from. You don't want someone that will give you hits but also major bombs.

We had some good guys here. @mayoclinic @Box_O_Rocks @midwestpatsfan always stood out to me. I always thought @WaterfallJumper could be the best of us if he put his time and effort into it. Its an incredible amount of time so i dont blame anyone for wanting a life > silly draft stuff. RookBoston is on OG that overall was as good as it gets when it comes to the draft. He always deserves a mention. He was really good at this stuff.

Certainly not perfect but very few big misses if any. And pretty good when it comes to specific value - more or less. Overall after 3-4 years I think you could look back and say "that's pretty close to where that prospect should have been drafted" which is what I'm going for. Again I don't care about where someone goes on draft day. I want to place a value on them that makes sense on draft day and a few years after.

GRADING SCALE
9.5 - 9.9 = ELITE/HOF POTENTIAL - TOP 5 POTENTIAL AT POSITION - LOTTERY PICK

8.5 - 9.4 = IMPACT STARTER YR1 / TOP 15 POTENTIAL AT POSITION - 1ST ROUND

8.0 - 8.4 = FUTURE STARTER/CONTRIBUTES YR1 - TOP 30 AT POSITION 2ND ROUND

7.0 - 7.9 = POTENTIAL IMPACT AT POSITION - CHANCE TO START - 3RD ROUND

6.5 - 6.9 = DEPTH/ROTATION/SOLID CONTRIBUTIONS 4TH ROUND

6.0 - 6.4 = TAKE A SHOT - 5TH ROUND
5.5 - 5.9 = TAKE A SHOT - 6TH ROUND
5.0 - 5.4 = TAKE A SHOT - 7TH ROUND

CAM NEWTON - 9.17
JAKE LOCKER - 8.48
ANDY DALTON - 8.44
COLIN KAEPERNICK - 8.40
RYAN MALLET - 8.16
BLAINE GABBERT - 8.06

ANDREW LUCK - 9.32
ROBERT GRIFFIN III - 8.45
KIRK COUSINS - 8.42
RYAN TANNEHILL - 8.40
RYAN LINDLEY - 7.95
RUSSELL WILSON - 7.90
NICK FOLES - 7.77
BRANDON WEEDEN - 6.80
KELLEN MOORE - 6.78
BROCK OSWEILER - 6.22
CASE KEENUM - 6.20
MATT SIMMS - 5.22
AUSTIN DAVIS - 5.08

GENO SMITH - 8.08
MATT BARKLEY - 8.08
MIKE GLENNON - 7.80
E.J. MANUEL - 7.44
TYLER BRAY - 7.22
LANDRY JONES - 7.20
RYAN NASSIB - 6.44
BRAD SORENSON - 6.40
TYLER WILSON - 6.22
B.J. DANIELS - 6.06

DEREK CARR - 8.40
JIMMY GRAROPPOLO - 8.35
TEDDY BRIDGEWATER - 8.33
JOHNNY MANZIEL - 8.01
BLAKE BORTLES - 7.89
A.J. MCCARRON - 7.85
DAVID FALES - 7.20
TOM SAVAGE - 7.10
ZACH METTENBERGER - 7.07
TAJH BOYD - 6.33
LOGAN THOMAS - 6.22
AARON MURRAY - 5.28
KEITH WENNING - 5.11

MARCUS MARIOTA - 9.04
JAMEIS WINSTON - 8.48
BRETT HUNDLEY - 7.88
BRYCE PETTY - 7.03
TREVOR SIEMIAN - 7.00
GARRETT GRAYSON - 6.33
SEAN MANNION - 6.30
TAYLOR HEINICKE - 6.30
BLAKE SIMS - 5.22
SHANE CARDEN - 5.20

CARSON WENTZ - 9.22
JARAD GOFF - 8.77
CONNOR COOK - 8.20
DAK PRESCOTT - 8.10
JACOBY BRISSETT - 7.50
BRANDON ALLEN - 7.33
CODY KESSLER - 6.64
CARDALE JONES - 6.60
PAXTON LYNCH - 6.54
CHRISTIAN HACKENBERG - 5.88
BRANDON DOUGHTY - 5.80
KEVIN HOGAN - 5.13
NATE SUDFELD- 5.10

PATRICK MAHOMES - 8.33
MITCHELL TRIBISKY - 8.20
DESHAUN WATSON - 8.10
NATHAN PETERMAN - 7.33
DESHONE KIZER - 7.30
DAVIS WEBB - 7.20
ALEX TORGERSON - 7.17
JEROD EVANS - 7.11
C.J. BEATHARD - 6.83
PHILLIP WALKER - 6.69
COOPER RUSH - 6.54
BRAD KAAYA - 6.50
CHAD KELLY - 5.57

SAM DARNOLD - 9.20
LAMAR JACKSON - 9.17
JOSH ROSEN - 8.98
BAKAR MAYFIELD - 8.56
MIKE WHITE - 8.20
KYLE LAULETTA - 8.18
MASON RUDOLPH - 8.15
JOSH ALLEN - 8.12
LUKE FALK - 6.98
RILEY FERGUSON - 6.68
LOGAN WOODSIDE - 6.20
KIRK BENKURT - 6.10
BRANDON SILVERS - 6.15
J.T. BARRETT - 6.05
AUSTIN ALLEN - 6.04
CHASE LITTON - 5.99
CHAD KANOFF - 5.48

Haskins 8.18
Murray 8.12
Lock 8.12
Grier 8.05
Jones 8.00
Rypien 8.00
Jackson - 7.90
Finley 7.90
Stick 7.59
Thorson 7.42
Stidham 7.20
Minshew - 7.10
Shurmur 6.90

Joe Burrow - 8.60
Tua Tagovailoa - 8.55
Jordan Love - 8.05
Justin Herbert - 8.02
James Morgan - 7.70
Jalen Hurts - 7.70
Anthony Gordon - 7.65
J'Mar Smith - 7.18
Jake Luton - 7.15
Brian Lewerke - 7.10
Cole McDonald - 7.05
Mike Glass - 7.04
Jake Fromm - 7.02
Tyler Huntley - 6.49
Shea Patterson - 6.44
Nate Stanley - 6.40
Kevin Davidson - 6.40
Khalil Tate - 6.38
Steven Montez - 6.29
Mason Fine - 6.15

TREVOR LAWRENCE - 9.22
JUSTIN FIELDS - 8.61
TREY LANCE - 8.33
ZACH WILSON - 8.31
MAC JONES - 8.03
DAVIS MILLS - 8.01
KYLE TRASK - 7.38
KELLEN MOND - 7.27
JAMIE NEWMAN - 7.25
BRADY WHITE - 6.80
SHANE BUECHELE - 6.55
BROCK PURDY - 6.45
FELEIPE FRANKS - 6.22
IAN BOOK - 6.15
SAM EHLINGER - 6.13

DESMOND RIDDER - 8.00
CARSON STRONG - 7.90
MALIK WILLIS - 7.85
KENNY PICKETT - 7.83
MATT CORRAL - 7.80
BAILY ZAPPE - 7.50
SAM HOWELL - 7.45
SKYLER THOMPSON - 6.80
DUSTIN CRUM - 6.45
JACK COAN - 6.40
CHASE GARBERS - 6.20
BROCK PURDY - 6.10
EJ PERRY - 6.02
KALEB ELEBY - 5.97

ANTHONY RICHARDSON - 8.25
BRYCE YOUNG - 8.10
WILL LEVIS - 8.07
CJ STROUD - 8.00
HENDON HOOKER - 7.66
JAKE HAENER - 7.57
CLAYTON TUNE - 7.40
JAREN HALL - 7.33
TYSON BAGENT - 7.00
STETSON BENNETT - 6.98
DORIAN THOMPSON-ROBINSON - 6.85
MALIK CUNNINGHAM - 6.48
MAX DUGGAN - 6.33

CALEB WILLIAMS - 9.10
DRAKE MAYE - 8.30
MICHAEL PENIX JR - 8.15
JJ MCCARTHY - 8.10
JAYDEN DANIELS - 8.10
BO NIX - 8.06
SPENCER RATTLER - 7.70
JORDAN TRAVIS - 7.50
JOE MILTON - 7.42
AUSTIN REED - 6.94
TANNER MORDECAI - 6.91
MICHAEL PRATT - 6.95
DEVIN LEARY - 6.58
SAM HARTMAN - 6.49

 

[DaBruinz]

And remember, it's not just about talent but about need & fit also. Non-QBs taken inside the top 100 should be able to hit the ground running if they were evaluated properly, which of course hasn't consistently happened here since BIll's FO contemporaries left and he relied on unqualified thanksdad hacks such as Ziggy the Pinhead, Little Nicky Cesar, Al Groh's kid etc...

Who are you and what have you done with the real CaptStone? Seriously. So many people have said this time and again while YOU were the one spewing "Talent, Talent, Talent".


Al Groh's kid was always working with Eliot Wolf.
Nick Caserio is the GM behind the resurgence of the Houston Texans.

Your shots at them are ridiculous and just highlight how all over the place you are.

 

[captain stone]

It's just a tough position to evaluate and there are real reasons for that. There's a saying that goes "players/prospects don't bust, teams do." And again it's just very tough to evaluate young men going into an all-star league. I think Brugler, Waldman and Lance are probably the best out there. QB school too specifically for QB.

I actually think I'm pretty good with that position as well. I'm a very tough grader and don't care about "ranking" prospects 1, 2, 3 etc. I like to end up with a specific value for each prospect. Like I was low on Josh Allen with a 2nd round grade but it took him a few yeas to become superman. I think a 1st RD guy should hit the ground running. It took Allen a good few years to become a legit top 2-5 guy. Of course we saw flashes but it wasn't until he got Diggs, Davis, proper coaching and continued confidence from the organization that he flourished. I should of had a higher grade but just some context. Same with Love, I had a high 2nd on him but he didn't start right away and ended up in a great situation in terms of personnel and coaching. We'll see if he gets it up but again just some context in how I approach things. Love could end up tearing up the league but it took a minute to get there.

I probably should give a few more points for potential or upside in those cases but both guys took a minute to break out and needed the right track to run.

I would say those 4 are as good as it gets though (Brugler, Waldman, Lance, QB school)
Merrill Hodge too. He's been as good as it gets as well. Simms isn't bad but he'll end up with some big misses to go with some nice hits. Thats something I would always try to stay away from. You don't want someone that will give you hits but also major bombs.

We had some good guys here. @mayoclinic @Box_O_Rocks @midwestpatsfan always stood out to me. I always thought @WaterfallJumper could be the best of us if he put his time and effort into it. Its an incredible amount of time so i dont blame anyone for wanting a life > silly draft stuff. RookBoston is on OG that overall was as good as it gets when it comes to the draft. He always deserves a mention. He was really good at this stuff.

Certainly not perfect but very few big misses if any. And pretty good when it comes to specific value - more or less. Overall after 3-4 years I think you could look back and say "that's pretty close to where that prospect should have been drafted" which is what I'm going for. Again I don't care about where someone goes on draft day. I want to place a value on them that makes sense on draft day and a few years after.

GRADING SCALE
9.5 - 9.9 = ELITE/HOF POTENTIAL - TOP 5 POTENTIAL AT POSITION - LOTTERY PICK

8.5 - 9.4 = IMPACT STARTER YR1 / TOP 15 POTENTIAL AT POSITION - 1ST ROUND

8.0 - 8.4 = FUTURE STARTER/CONTRIBUTES YR1 - TOP 30 AT POSITION 2ND ROUND

7.0 - 7.9 = POTENTIAL IMPACT AT POSITION - CHANCE TO START - 3RD ROUND

6.5 - 6.9 = DEPTH/ROTATION/SOLID CONTRIBUTIONS 4TH ROUND

6.0 - 6.4 = TAKE A SHOT - 5TH ROUND
5.5 - 5.9 = TAKE A SHOT - 6TH ROUND
5.0 - 5.4 = TAKE A SHOT - 7TH ROUND

CAM NEWTON - 9.17
JAKE LOCKER - 8.48
ANDY DALTON - 8.44
COLIN KAEPERNICK - 8.40
RYAN MALLET - 8.16
BLAINE GABBERT - 8.06

ANDREW LUCK - 9.32
ROBERT GRIFFIN III - 8.45
KIRK COUSINS - 8.42
RYAN TANNEHILL - 8.40
RYAN LINDLEY - 7.95
RUSSELL WILSON - 7.90
NICK FOLES - 7.77
BRANDON WEEDEN - 6.80
KELLEN MOORE - 6.78
BROCK OSWEILER - 6.22
CASE KEENUM - 6.20
MATT SIMMS - 5.22
AUSTIN DAVIS - 5.08

GENO SMITH - 8.08
MATT BARKLEY - 8.08
MIKE GLENNON - 7.80
E.J. MANUEL - 7.44
TYLER BRAY - 7.22
LANDRY JONES - 7.20
RYAN NASSIB - 6.44
BRAD SORENSON - 6.40
TYLER WILSON - 6.22
B.J. DANIELS - 6.06

DEREK CARR - 8.40
JIMMY GRAROPPOLO - 8.35
TEDDY BRIDGEWATER - 8.33
JOHNNY MANZIEL - 8.01
BLAKE BORTLES - 7.89
A.J. MCCARRON - 7.85
DAVID FALES - 7.20
TOM SAVAGE - 7.10
ZACH METTENBERGER - 7.07
TAJH BOYD - 6.33
LOGAN THOMAS - 6.22
AARON MURRAY - 5.28
KEITH WENNING - 5.11

MARCUS MARIOTA - 9.04
JAMEIS WINSTON - 8.48
BRETT HUNDLEY - 7.88
BRYCE PETTY - 7.03
TREVOR SIEMIAN - 7.00
GARRETT GRAYSON - 6.33
SEAN MANNION - 6.30
TAYLOR HEINICKE - 6.30
BLAKE SIMS - 5.22
SHANE CARDEN - 5.20

CARSON WENTZ - 9.22
JARAD GOFF - 8.77
CONNOR COOK - 8.20
DAK PRESCOTT - 8.10
JACOBY BRISSETT - 7.50
BRANDON ALLEN - 7.33
CODY KESSLER - 6.64
CARDALE JONES - 6.60
PAXTON LYNCH - 6.54
CHRISTIAN HACKENBERG - 5.88
BRANDON DOUGHTY - 5.80
KEVIN HOGAN - 5.13
NATE SUDFELD- 5.10

PATRICK MAHOMES - 8.33
MITCHELL TRIBISKY - 8.20
DESHAUN WATSON - 8.10
NATHAN PETERMAN - 7.33
DESHONE KIZER - 7.30
DAVIS WEBB - 7.20
ALEX TORGERSON - 7.17
JEROD EVANS - 7.11
C.J. BEATHARD - 6.83
PHILLIP WALKER - 6.69
COOPER RUSH - 6.54
BRAD KAAYA - 6.50
CHAD KELLY - 5.57

SAM DARNOLD - 9.20
LAMAR JACKSON - 9.17
JOSH ROSEN - 8.98
BAKAR MAYFIELD - 8.56
MIKE WHITE - 8.20
KYLE LAULETTA - 8.18
MASON RUDOLPH - 8.15
JOSH ALLEN - 8.12
LUKE FALK - 6.98
RILEY FERGUSON - 6.68
LOGAN WOODSIDE - 6.20
KIRK BENKURT - 6.10
BRANDON SILVERS - 6.15
J.T. BARRETT - 6.05
AUSTIN ALLEN - 6.04
CHASE LITTON - 5.99
CHAD KANOFF - 5.48

Haskins 8.18
Murray 8.12
Lock 8.12
Grier 8.05
Jones 8.00
Rypien 8.00
Jackson - 7.90
Finley 7.90
Stick 7.59
Thorson 7.42
Stidham 7.20
Minshew - 7.10
Shurmur 6.90

Joe Burrow - 8.60
Tua Tagovailoa - 8.55
Jordan Love - 8.05
Justin Herbert - 8.02
James Morgan - 7.70
Jalen Hurts - 7.70
Anthony Gordon - 7.65
J'Mar Smith - 7.18
Jake Luton - 7.15
Brian Lewerke - 7.10
Cole McDonald - 7.05
Mike Glass - 7.04
Jake Fromm - 7.02
Tyler Huntley - 6.49
Shea Patterson - 6.44
Nate Stanley - 6.40
Kevin Davidson - 6.40
Khalil Tate - 6.38
Steven Montez - 6.29
Mason Fine - 6.15

TREVOR LAWRENCE - 9.22
JUSTIN FIELDS - 8.61
TREY LANCE - 8.33
ZACH WILSON - 8.31
MAC JONES - 8.03
DAVIS MILLS - 8.01
KYLE TRASK - 7.38
KELLEN MOND - 7.27
JAMIE NEWMAN - 7.25
BRADY WHITE - 6.80
SHANE BUECHELE - 6.55
BROCK PURDY - 6.45
FELEIPE FRANKS - 6.22
IAN BOOK - 6.15
SAM EHLINGER - 6.13

DESMOND RIDDER - 8.00
CARSON STRONG - 7.90
MALIK WILLIS - 7.85
KENNY PICKETT - 7.83
MATT CORRAL - 7.80
BAILY ZAPPE - 7.50
SAM HOWELL - 7.45
SKYLER THOMPSON - 6.80
DUSTIN CRUM - 6.45
JACK COAN - 6.40
CHASE GARBERS - 6.20
BROCK PURDY - 6.10
EJ PERRY - 6.02
KALEB ELEBY - 5.97

ANTHONY RICHARDSON - 8.25
BRYCE YOUNG - 8.10
WILL LEVIS - 8.07
CJ STROUD - 8.00
HENDON HOOKER - 7.66
JAKE HAENER - 7.57
CLAYTON TUNE - 7.40
JAREN HALL - 7.33
TYSON BAGENT - 7.00
STETSON BENNETT - 6.98
DORIAN THOMPSON-ROBINSON - 6.85
MALIK CUNNINGHAM - 6.48
MAX DUGGAN - 6.33

CALEB WILLIAMS - 9.10
DRAKE MAYE - 8.30
MICHAEL PENIX JR - 8.15
JJ MCCARTHY - 8.10
JAYDEN DANIELS - 8.10
BO NIX - 8.06
SPENCER RATTLER - 7.70
JORDAN TRAVIS - 7.50
JOE MILTON - 7.42
AUSTIN REED - 6.94
TANNER MORDECAI - 6.91
MICHAEL PRATT - 6.95
DEVIN LEARY - 6.58
SAM HARTMAN - 6.49

Thanks for the great work here... No real argument, just one nit to pick: Sam Darnold's 9.20 grade... Arm talent & production rated that number; but those turnovers... Were there extenuating circumstances behind some of them which you took into account?

 

[KCSVEN]

That really hit me this year with the quarterback discussions, all these guys throwing out their opinions and nowhere did I really see anything where it was laid out how well they’ve done in the past picking the right guy. As soon as one draft ends it all goes down the memory hole and they just start spouting whatever they want the next year

I went down that rabbit hole on analysts. Was not as hard as it seems, I just looked for guys that thought Bryce Young was likely to bust. Once I found those couple, I found they also were pretty accurate on QB's historically. When I looked at other respected QB analysts, they all had the same history as the NFL scouts. Not good.
Nobody was better than the @JoeA_NFL on "Formerly known as twitter". Not perfect but way more accurate than anyone else.

After dedicating 100's of hours researching QB's and understanding what to look for I really don't get what scouts are looking at. It took me all of 2 hours to determine Bryce Young should have been, at best, a 4th round pick but would have been off my board completely.
That was so EASY! Which is why I looked for guys that said he'd likely bust, it was so obvious I was flabbergasted 99% had him rated #1 overall. He can't throw in the middle of the field because he can't see but doesn't have the arm strength to hit the outs. BUT HE GETS IT, he understands the position! SO DO I! I think I would suck as a QB. Like Young.

Luckily, the same scouts liked Williams and Daniels over Maye, though Maye is the perfect QB prospect. Checks EVERY, SINGLE, BOX. Everything you want in a QB, based on historical analysis.

I could write a book on this but will stop now LOL.

 

[aluminum seats]

I went down that rabbit hole on analysts. Was not as hard as it seems, I just looked for guys that thought Bryce Young was likely to bust. Once I found those couple, I found they also were pretty accurate on QB's historically. When I looked at other respected QB analysts, they all had the same history as the NFL scouts. Not good.
Nobody was better than the @JoeA_NFL on "Formerly known as twitter". Not perfect but way more accurate than anyone else.

After dedicating 100's of hours researching QB's and understanding what to look for I really don't get what scouts are looking at. It took me all of 2 hours to determine Bryce Young should have been, at best, a 4th round pick but would have been off my board completely.
That was so EASY! Which is why I looked for guys that said he'd likely bust, it was so obvious I was flabbergasted 99% had him rated #1 overall. He can't throw in the middle of the field because he can't see but doesn't have the arm strength to hit the outs. BUT HE GETS IT, he understands the position! SO DO I! I think I would suck as a QB. Like Young.

Luckily, the same scouts liked Williams and Daniels over Maye, though Maye is the perfect QB prospect. Checks EVERY, SINGLE, BOX. Everything you want in a QB, based on historical analysis.

I could write a book on this but will stop now LOL.

Really interesting stuff. Were the guys that seemed like they actually had a clue high on Maye? Would be interesting to have a list

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

I went down that rabbit hole on analysts. Was not as hard as it seems, I just looked for guys that thought Bryce Young was likely to bust. Once I found those couple, I found they also were pretty accurate on QB's historically. When I looked at other respected QB analysts, they all had the same history as the NFL scouts. Not good.
Nobody was better than the @JoeA_NFL on "Formerly known as twitter". Not perfect but way more accurate than anyone else.

After dedicating 100's of hours researching QB's and understanding what to look for I really don't get what scouts are looking at. It took me all of 2 hours to determine Bryce Young should have been, at best, a 4th round pick but would have been off my board completely.
That was so EASY! Which is why I looked for guys that said he'd likely bust, it was so obvious I was flabbergasted 99% had him rated #1 overall. He can't throw in the middle of the field because he can't see but doesn't have the arm strength to hit the outs. BUT HE GETS IT, he understands the position! SO DO I! I think I would suck as a QB. Like Young.

Luckily, the same scouts liked Williams and Daniels over Maye, though Maye is the perfect QB prospect. Checks EVERY, SINGLE, BOX. Everything you want in a QB, based on historical analysis.

I could write a book on this but will stop now LOL.

This kind of "black and white" thinking in absolute terms is something you'll never find a real scout saying. In fact it's the opposite of what a good scout would say. No serious person thinks it's "easy" or would say all I have to do is look at who had Bryce Young as a bust.

Also I spent 5 minutes looking at Joe A and can't believe you would even mention him here. Hes an absolute joke that tries to sell sports picks lol. He's routinely mocked for his "black & white" views on Twitter. Where anyone who disagrees with him hasnt watched watched film or is wrong.

You take this person serious?? In less than 20 minutes he goes from "I haven't scouted him outside of this game" to "I've been really disappointed since I started evaluating him"

Youre scouting him live from your couch lol and havent even watched any A22 up until that point?? Thats embarrassing to admit.




You're trolling and have no idea what youre talking about. Respectfully please start your own thread and do your own thing.

 

[KCSVEN]

Really interesting stuff. Were the guys that seemed like they actually had a clue high on Maye? Would be interesting to have a list

Yes, but can't get into details here, I don't think stating research backed up by facts is trolling but seems to be a difference of opinion there.

Debating starting my own thread as suggested by BGC but we're talking a pages and pages of Detail backing up everything I say and not sure more than a few people would care and not sure minimizing the data without the detailed backup makes a good case.

Either way, will leave this thread to BGC as I respect the amount of time and work involved in doing what he does, no disrespect or trolling intended there, I found just spending 100% of my draft analyses time on QB's to be exhausting, so lots of kudos for all the time put in on all the prospects by BGC.

 

[WaterfallJumper]

It's just a tough position to evaluate and there are real reasons for that. There's a saying that goes "players/prospects don't bust, teams do." And again it's just very tough to evaluate young men going into an all-star league. I think Brugler, Waldman and Lance are probably the best out there. QB school too specifically for QB.

I actually think I'm pretty good with that position as well. I'm a very tough grader and don't care about "ranking" prospects 1, 2, 3 etc. I like to end up with a specific value for each prospect. Like I was low on Josh Allen with a 2nd round grade but it took him a few yeas to become superman. I think a 1st RD guy should hit the ground running. It took Allen a good few years to become a legit top 2-5 guy. Of course we saw flashes but it wasn't until he got Diggs, Davis, proper coaching and continued confidence from the organization that he flourished. I should of had a higher grade but just some context. Same with Love, I had a high 2nd on him but he didn't start right away and ended up in a great situation in terms of personnel and coaching. We'll see if he gets it up but again just some context in how I approach things. Love could end up tearing up the league but it took a minute to get there.

I probably should give a few more points for potential or upside in those cases but both guys took a minute to break out and needed the right track to run.

I would say those 4 are as good as it gets though (Brugler, Waldman, Lance, QB school)
Merrill Hodge too. He's been as good as it gets as well. Simms isn't bad but he'll end up with some big misses to go with some nice hits. Thats something I would always try to stay away from. You don't want someone that will give you hits but also major bombs.

We had some good guys here. @mayoclinic @Box_O_Rocks @midwestpatsfan always stood out to me. I always thought @WaterfallJumper could be the best of us if he put his time and effort into it. Its an incredible amount of time so i dont blame anyone for wanting a life > silly draft stuff. RookBoston is on OG that overall was as good as it gets when it comes to the draft. He always deserves a mention. He was really good at this stuff.

Certainly not perfect but very few big misses if any. And pretty good when it comes to specific value - more or less. Overall after 3-4 years I think you could look back and say "that's pretty close to where that prospect should have been drafted" which is what I'm going for. Again I don't care about where someone goes on draft day. I want to place a value on them that makes sense on draft day and a few years after.

GRADING SCALE
9.5 - 9.9 = ELITE/HOF POTENTIAL - TOP 5 POTENTIAL AT POSITION - LOTTERY PICK

8.5 - 9.4 = IMPACT STARTER YR1 / TOP 15 POTENTIAL AT POSITION - 1ST ROUND

8.0 - 8.4 = FUTURE STARTER/CONTRIBUTES YR1 - TOP 30 AT POSITION 2ND ROUND

7.0 - 7.9 = POTENTIAL IMPACT AT POSITION - CHANCE TO START - 3RD ROUND

6.5 - 6.9 = DEPTH/ROTATION/SOLID CONTRIBUTIONS 4TH ROUND

6.0 - 6.4 = TAKE A SHOT - 5TH ROUND
5.5 - 5.9 = TAKE A SHOT - 6TH ROUND
5.0 - 5.4 = TAKE A SHOT - 7TH ROUND

CAM NEWTON - 9.17
JAKE LOCKER - 8.48
ANDY DALTON - 8.44
COLIN KAEPERNICK - 8.40
RYAN MALLET - 8.16
BLAINE GABBERT - 8.06

ANDREW LUCK - 9.32
ROBERT GRIFFIN III - 8.45
KIRK COUSINS - 8.42
RYAN TANNEHILL - 8.40
RYAN LINDLEY - 7.95
RUSSELL WILSON - 7.90
NICK FOLES - 7.77
BRANDON WEEDEN - 6.80
KELLEN MOORE - 6.78
BROCK OSWEILER - 6.22
CASE KEENUM - 6.20
MATT SIMMS - 5.22
AUSTIN DAVIS - 5.08

GENO SMITH - 8.08
MATT BARKLEY - 8.08
MIKE GLENNON - 7.80
E.J. MANUEL - 7.44
TYLER BRAY - 7.22
LANDRY JONES - 7.20
RYAN NASSIB - 6.44
BRAD SORENSON - 6.40
TYLER WILSON - 6.22
B.J. DANIELS - 6.06

DEREK CARR - 8.40
JIMMY GRAROPPOLO - 8.35
TEDDY BRIDGEWATER - 8.33
JOHNNY MANZIEL - 8.01
BLAKE BORTLES - 7.89
A.J. MCCARRON - 7.85
DAVID FALES - 7.20
TOM SAVAGE - 7.10
ZACH METTENBERGER - 7.07
TAJH BOYD - 6.33
LOGAN THOMAS - 6.22
AARON MURRAY - 5.28
KEITH WENNING - 5.11

MARCUS MARIOTA - 9.04
JAMEIS WINSTON - 8.48
BRETT HUNDLEY - 7.88
BRYCE PETTY - 7.03
TREVOR SIEMIAN - 7.00
GARRETT GRAYSON - 6.33
SEAN MANNION - 6.30
TAYLOR HEINICKE - 6.30
BLAKE SIMS - 5.22
SHANE CARDEN - 5.20

CARSON WENTZ - 9.22
JARAD GOFF - 8.77
CONNOR COOK - 8.20
DAK PRESCOTT - 8.10
JACOBY BRISSETT - 7.50
BRANDON ALLEN - 7.33
CODY KESSLER - 6.64
CARDALE JONES - 6.60
PAXTON LYNCH - 6.54
CHRISTIAN HACKENBERG - 5.88
BRANDON DOUGHTY - 5.80
KEVIN HOGAN - 5.13
NATE SUDFELD- 5.10

PATRICK MAHOMES - 8.33
MITCHELL TRIBISKY - 8.20
DESHAUN WATSON - 8.10
NATHAN PETERMAN - 7.33
DESHONE KIZER - 7.30
DAVIS WEBB - 7.20
ALEX TORGERSON - 7.17
JEROD EVANS - 7.11
C.J. BEATHARD - 6.83
PHILLIP WALKER - 6.69
COOPER RUSH - 6.54
BRAD KAAYA - 6.50
CHAD KELLY - 5.57

SAM DARNOLD - 9.20
LAMAR JACKSON - 9.17
JOSH ROSEN - 8.98
BAKAR MAYFIELD - 8.56
MIKE WHITE - 8.20
KYLE LAULETTA - 8.18
MASON RUDOLPH - 8.15
JOSH ALLEN - 8.12
LUKE FALK - 6.98
RILEY FERGUSON - 6.68
LOGAN WOODSIDE - 6.20
KIRK BENKURT - 6.10
BRANDON SILVERS - 6.15
J.T. BARRETT - 6.05
AUSTIN ALLEN - 6.04
CHASE LITTON - 5.99
CHAD KANOFF - 5.48

Haskins 8.18
Murray 8.12
Lock 8.12
Grier 8.05
Jones 8.00
Rypien 8.00
Jackson - 7.90
Finley 7.90
Stick 7.59
Thorson 7.42
Stidham 7.20
Minshew - 7.10
Shurmur 6.90

Joe Burrow - 8.60
Tua Tagovailoa - 8.55
Jordan Love - 8.05
Justin Herbert - 8.02
James Morgan - 7.70
Jalen Hurts - 7.70
Anthony Gordon - 7.65
J'Mar Smith - 7.18
Jake Luton - 7.15
Brian Lewerke - 7.10
Cole McDonald - 7.05
Mike Glass - 7.04
Jake Fromm - 7.02
Tyler Huntley - 6.49
Shea Patterson - 6.44
Nate Stanley - 6.40
Kevin Davidson - 6.40
Khalil Tate - 6.38
Steven Montez - 6.29
Mason Fine - 6.15

TREVOR LAWRENCE - 9.22
JUSTIN FIELDS - 8.61
TREY LANCE - 8.33
ZACH WILSON - 8.31
MAC JONES - 8.03
DAVIS MILLS - 8.01
KYLE TRASK - 7.38
KELLEN MOND - 7.27
JAMIE NEWMAN - 7.25
BRADY WHITE - 6.80
SHANE BUECHELE - 6.55
BROCK PURDY - 6.45
FELEIPE FRANKS - 6.22
IAN BOOK - 6.15
SAM EHLINGER - 6.13

DESMOND RIDDER - 8.00
CARSON STRONG - 7.90
MALIK WILLIS - 7.85
KENNY PICKETT - 7.83
MATT CORRAL - 7.80
BAILY ZAPPE - 7.50
SAM HOWELL - 7.45
SKYLER THOMPSON - 6.80
DUSTIN CRUM - 6.45
JACK COAN - 6.40
CHASE GARBERS - 6.20
BROCK PURDY - 6.10
EJ PERRY - 6.02
KALEB ELEBY - 5.97

ANTHONY RICHARDSON - 8.25
BRYCE YOUNG - 8.10
WILL LEVIS - 8.07
CJ STROUD - 8.00
HENDON HOOKER - 7.66
JAKE HAENER - 7.57
CLAYTON TUNE - 7.40
JAREN HALL - 7.33
TYSON BAGENT - 7.00
STETSON BENNETT - 6.98
DORIAN THOMPSON-ROBINSON - 6.85
MALIK CUNNINGHAM - 6.48
MAX DUGGAN - 6.33

CALEB WILLIAMS - 9.10
DRAKE MAYE - 8.30
MICHAEL PENIX JR - 8.15
JJ MCCARTHY - 8.10
JAYDEN DANIELS - 8.10
BO NIX - 8.06
SPENCER RATTLER - 7.70
JORDAN TRAVIS - 7.50
JOE MILTON - 7.42
AUSTIN REED - 6.94
TANNER MORDECAI - 6.91
MICHAEL PRATT - 6.95
DEVIN LEARY - 6.58
SAM HARTMAN - 6.49

Incredible work! I appreciate your efforts, and the extremely kind words. Keep it up. You're on fire.