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Discussion in 'Patriots Draft Talk' started by BobDigital, Jun 23, 2018.

  1. BaconGrundleCandy

    BaconGrundleCandy Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

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    Agreed on all points I guess.
    Tbh I agree wholeheartedly w what you said about rankings. They matter to a degree but I'm more concerned getting everyone in the right neighborhood, moreso home.

    I never tried to add positional value but I've always been curious about how they would turn out. I wanted to grade just the player to try & gage just their strengths/concerns but again I've been curious.

    Tbh I think you could add (x points) from highest-lowest.
    QB, Rush, CB, IDL etc

    For instance I'd always have a hard time taking WR/RB/TE early unless their truly special players. Even then Idk. Always wanted to see how that would work out.
     

  2. BaconGrundleCandy

    BaconGrundleCandy Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

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    Brought this up before but I'm curious about others opinions on a strict OL/DL/QB/CB/S philosophy in the first 2nd rds?

    Not necessarily in that order but you get the point. Most important positions by far.
     
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    Let me see if I have this correct?

    We let solder, a solid tackle, go to the giants for $66 million, but we spent $50 million to keep mason, a guy with all kinds of pass protection problems? Why?

    The question becomes will we resign Brown at left tackle. Cannon is a banana and needs to leave town after the season.

    Wynn can play right tackle next season and we can draft the right tackle from Washington. The guy is a beast.

    Either defensive tackle from Clemson would be a huge win for us.
     
  4. BaconGrundleCandy

    BaconGrundleCandy Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

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    Have to take a look at some of these recent classes








     
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    BaconGrundleCandy Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

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    Seeing James, Reid, and Jackson on the safety list makes me sad we didn't pick up any of them. Could use some safeties in training for the next few years.
     
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    BaconGrundleCandy Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

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    Steelers & NE haven't had much luck w DB's.

     
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    2010–1 Devin McCourty [good]
    2011–2 Ras-I Dowling [injury]
    2011–7 Malcolm Williams [eh]
    2012–2 Tavon Wilson [sucked]
    2012–6 Nate Ebner [good STs]
    2012–7 Alfonzo Dennard [eh]
    2013–3 Logan Ryan [good]
    2013–3 Duron Harmon [good]
    2014–6 Jemea Thomas [didn't make 53]
    2015–2 Jordan Richards [bust]
    2015–7 Darryl Roberts [didn't make 53]
    2016–2 Cyrus Jones [injury/bust]
    2018–2 Duke Dawson [TBA]
    2018–7 Keion Crossen [TBA]

    That said, most of them are still in the NFL (Dowling, Williams, Dennard, and Thomas are not).

    Also, FWIW, the UDFAs:
    2010: Sergio Brown, Ross Ventrone, Terrence Johnson
    2013: Stephon Morris, Brandon Jones, Kanorris Davis
    2014: Travis Hawkins, Malcolm Butler
    2015: Brandon King
    2016: V'Angelo Bentley, Cre'Von LeBlanc, Jonathan Jones, Devonta Burns
    2017: David Jones, Jason Thompson, Damarius Travis, Kenny Moore,
    Dwayne Thomas, D.J. Killings
    2018: J.C. Jackson, A.J. Moore
     
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  9. BaconGrundleCandy

    BaconGrundleCandy Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

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    1st list isn't the greatest imo but it's clear NE is as good as anyone when it comes to udfa.
     
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    BaconGrundleCandy Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

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    Top 3 Rush guys is always nice

    Landry isn't even starting & probably has less than 12 games worth of snaps.

    Chubb is having an incredible year that's on par w Mack.

    Davenport has beasted at times too. Again I thought his upside might be as a run defender & it's been there this year.

    Landry, Hubbard & Carter all day available after RD1.


    Chubb


     
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    Thought Hubbard clearly fit our profile. Ah well.
     
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  12. BaconGrundleCandy

    BaconGrundleCandy Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

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    Gave him a HOF grade I believe or very close to it. Doubt he makes it there but he's been great. Pretty sure Solly Thomas is the only miss in that category.

     
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    Snooky97 2nd Team Getting Their First Start

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    Do you think Thomas issue is the scheme? Or just not what people thought he would of been?
     
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    Snooky97 2nd Team Getting Their First Start

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    Two of those guys I badly wanted us to get! Lorenzo Carter is The one that got away for us I feel.. @reamer
     
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    BaconGrundleCandy Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

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    Scheme is a factor but it's more about missing on his projection. At least rn. I don't think he's a bust but just overdrafted big time.

    Tough grading a guy that high that can't bend.
     
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    Seems to my view like the PAC-12 stars over the past 15 years regularly underperform in the NFL versus their draft ratings. I feel the same way about Bama’s stars under Saban. So many of them peak at age 20 or 21 in the protected environments, but the draft is obviously about projecting them in radically different environments

    Scouts are absolutely worth their weight in gold for the NFL!
     
  17. BaconGrundleCandy

    BaconGrundleCandy Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

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    Idk I think lately Bama has done alright? Seems all their IDL are all playing well. Reed, Robinson, Payne, Allen have all been vg.

    Humphrey is someone I really liked & I think he's been pretty good. Henry has done pretty well.

    I have to find the time to really go over the last 3-4 drafts & see how things are shaping up.
     
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