Are the WRs actually getting open?

[Triumph]

brisset is holding for more than 3 seconds and no all QBs are not throwing to the most open receiver. they are throwing to spots where only their receiver can catch. brissett made one throw like that to osborne.

brissett is so risk averse that he is not even throwing any balls. he is a big reason why we lost yesterday. i think zappe might have won us the game yesterday.

if brisset cannot even throw just play all jumbo tight ends and linemen in 11 and keep pounding it on. why do we need the wide receivers.

no wonder the wide recievers are mighty pissed. mayo needs to quickly calm the situation else i see a mutiny in the team.

Its all dink and dunk and no passes driving into the heart of the defense.

Play it safe.

 

[Zuma]

Jacoby Brissett has a message for frustrated Patriots receiver

Patriots QB Jacoby Brissett understands the frustration inside the receivers room, most notably with DeMario "Pop" Douglas.

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“I’m glad he’s frustrated. If he wasn’t, that would be more alarming than him not getting the ball to be honest to you,” Brissett said when asked about Douglas during his weekly appearance on WEEI. “You Just explain it to him, you’re going to have those games where it happens like that.

“It’s the second game of the year. We’re still trying to figure out our identity and how this thing is going to play out as far as the offense. It’s a long season ahead,” the starting quarterback went on. “I told him, man, there’s 15 games left ... it’s a lot of football ahead of us

 

[Triumph]

No time to throw it Douglas? I just don't see it bro. I think it is pass rushers who should be frustrated, saying "We can't get to the QB because Pop gets open too fast."

Pre snap Brisset needs to look at the coverage and figure that POP will be open.

 

[Ring 6]

I would say that it is mostly Brissett not seeing them. But that’s what you get when you start a career backup that is slow to process and take a lot of sack

That’s the least likely answer. It’s virtually impossible for the qb to “not see” open receivers. He has progressions so he is looking at the primary target, and deciding whether he is open, going to #2, etc.
the only time he looks around to see who is open is after a play breaks down.
Now a common confusion could be that a receiver who is the 4th progression may have gotten open but the ball was thrown to an early progression or the pass rush guy there. I’ve seen people post film that a guy was wide open but he didn’t come open until after the ball was thrown and the db broke off coverage.
If your primary target isn’t getting open that either bad play design or a bad receiver/route, because the entire purpose of the play and route combos is to get him open. Then #2 etc. If they are open and the qb doesn’t throw (Mac jones) it’s not that they don’t see them, it’s where they are looking, it’s that they don’t anticipate the play and throw on time. (Open is usually temporary)
Then you have the issue of pressure messing up every piece of all that.

 

[Ring 6]

Jacoby Brissett has a message for frustrated Patriots receiver

Patriots QB Jacoby Brissett understands the frustration inside the receivers room, most notably with DeMario "Pop" Douglas.

www.masslive.com

“I’m glad he’s frustrated. If he wasn’t, that would be more alarming than him not getting the ball to be honest to you,” Brissett said when asked about Douglas during his weekly appearance on WEEI. “You Just explain it to him, you’re going to have those games where it happens like that.

“It’s the second game of the year. We’re still trying to figure out our identity and how this thing is going to play out as far as the offense. It’s a long season ahead,” the starting quarterback went on. “I told him, man, there’s 15 games left ... it’s a lot of football ahead of us

That’s depressing talk. This is going to be a long year.

 

[Ring 6]

Pre snap Brisset needs to look at the coverage and figure that POP will be open.

If he isn’t the first or second progression the qb won’t do that.
The announcers said AVPs game plan was to throw to the TEs and RBs so if that’s true WRs were just decoys and coverage pullers

 

[Triumph]

If he isn’t the first or second progression the qb won’t do that.
The announcers said AVPs game plan was to throw to the TEs and RBs so if that’s true WRs were just decoys and coverage pullers

Pop was open. The video does not lie.

Lets just keep waiting for Henry to get open.

 

[Ring 6]

imo, it is easier to watch WR/DB play in person than on TV
I was at the game. there were numerous plays that WR's were open, but the ball went to the TE(Henry) or RB (Stevenson)
I do not believe it is all attributed to line play. Brissett has plenty of time on 50+ % of his drop backs.
he is locking in on targets pre snaps from what I can see, and not making progressions to anyone otherwise.
Pop, TT and Polk all were open a number of times combined, and never saw the ball.
that's not an OL issue. that's not an AVP issue. that's a Brissett issue.
that said, he is who he is. they are not going to change him, nor even try. Maye is a few weeks away.

If his first progression is open he will never look to his second. If you are saying better routes were open and he threw to a rb or te then either he passed up an own first progression to check down, or the play design sucked. If you run your progressions short to deep you will never see the downfield guy one if the short guy is open.
I think this is mostly play design and play calling coupled with the deeper routes not being open when they are primary.
Many times it looks like a wr was open but it wasn’t until after the ball was already theiwn and the defender left coverage. You have to watch all22 and see the play progress.

 

[Ring 6]

Pop was open. The video does not lie.

Lets just keep waiting for Henry to get open.

What video are you referring to?
Show me some examples and we can discuss.

 

[MrTibbs]

Well I watched a bit of the first quarter and it's very clear he's taking no chances risking anything throwing to the receivers unless maybe they're wide ass open. Below is the first quarter on 3rd & 2. He ended up taking a sack as he scrambled to the right.

 

[MrTibbs]

This is also later in the 1st quarter I "think" maybe 2nd&8. He had two open WR's with the defenders trailing. The defender with the arrow had his back turned and was headed in the direction of the sideline. Jacoby opted for Rhamondre the least capable receiver who was actually covered pretty well and disregarded Thorton and Pop both coming across the middle.

 

[MrTibbs]

Jacoby is 100% fixated on Henry or Hooper over the middle. It seems as right away he knows who he's throwing the ball to even without progression. There are some plays where Thorton isn't even running his full route as if he's a decoy to begin with.

 

[ahmed]

WRs don't magically get open only when they play with good QBs. Good QBs know how to get them the ball.

Brissett is 100% holding onto the ball too long, being tentative with his decision making and making some bad decisions.

It is also true that the OL is very bad. Seems like defenders are in our backyard within 1 second on most plays.

 

[Ring 6]

Well I watched a bit of the first quarter and it's very clear he's taking no chances risking anything throwing to the receivers unless maybe they're wide ass open. Below is the first quarter on 3rd & 2. He ended up taking a sack as he scrambled to the right.

It’s hard to evaluate with stills. It seems his current progression is the receiver on the logo. in the is he open? Depends what’s happening with the underneath him at the 44, and where the route is taking him. Looks like a checkdown possibility but again what is the Lb doing? Almost impossible to assess in a still photo.

 

[TommyD4207]

Well I watched a bit of the first quarter and it's very clear he's taking no chances risking anything throwing to the receivers unless maybe they're wide ass open. Below is the first quarter on 3rd & 2. He ended up taking a sack as he scrambled to the right.

First things first, the LOS was the 36 yard line. Look where the line got pushed back to, just as Brissett hit his back foot. Ignoring the free rusher that would eventually sack him, despite the tackle having TE help. Terrifying.

1) Circle on the left is right at the sticks. Maybe he gets a first down, maybe he doesn't. Maybe the linebacker looking RIGHT AT HIM won't close the short distance and disrupt the throw.

2) Circle on the right is completely covered by 3 guys and is likely an interception if it's thrown there.

You see Henry looking in the backfield, at the 43, knowing Brissett is about to break the pocket, and is about to scramble drill to get open. I think this is where Brissett wanted to go with the ball, but ran out of time.

 

[Ring 6]

Jacoby is 100% fixated on Henry or Hooper over the middle. It seems as right away he knows who he's throwing the ball to even without progression. There are some plays where Thorton isn't even running his full route as if he's a decoy to begin with.

If they are his first progression and they are open, he has to throw there. Progression doesn’t mean look at everyone then decide. It means (after reading the coverage in order to determine your progressions) looking at 1 and throwing to him if he is open, if not looking to 2 and throwing if he is open, etc, etc

 

[Ring 6]

This is also later in the 1st quarter I "think" maybe 2nd&8. He had two open WR's with the defenders trailing. The defender with the arrow had his back turned and was headed in the direction of the sideline. Jacoby opted for Rhamondre the least capable receiver who was actually covered pretty well and disregarded Thorton and Pop both coming across the middle.

The play was designing for 38 to be the primary target. Haven’t looking at anyone else until he decides yes or no on that route, and he liked it. Good aggressive decision

 

[TommyD4207]

This is also later in the 1st quarter I "think" maybe 2nd&8. He had two open WR's with the defenders trailing. The defender with the arrow had his back turned and was headed in the direction of the sideline. Jacoby opted for Rhamondre the least capable receiver who was actually covered pretty well and disregarded Thorton and Pop both coming across the middle.

These really seem like you're analyzing as if the Seattle players will just stand still.

He would have to go to his next progression to find Thornton, and you're ignoring the nickel back standing at the 9 yard line. Considering Brissett would have to turn his shoulders and throw, he would see that, and in the time it took for Brissett to get the throw off, he could have been in position to cover, not to mention the trailing safety at the goalline able to come in late, he had help.

A throw to Douglas would have required Brissett to completely reset his feet and turn to throw, and again, assuming the Seahawks are frozen in time like this picture, then sure, it's a completion. That corner has outside leverage and is pushing inside for a reason, and, oh yeah, there's the defensive end who is already past Jordan and is just about past Lowe, who, unless he holds and pulls the guy down, isn't going to stop him from getting to Brissett, if he holds the ball an instant longer.

In this position, there's one throw Brissett can make without a huge risk of a turnover (either by INT or a fumble after getting hit) is your X.

 

[BennyBledsoe]

This is also later in the 1st quarter I "think" maybe 2nd&8. He had two open WR's with the defenders trailing. The defender with the arrow had his back turned and was headed in the direction of the sideline. Jacoby opted for Rhamondre the least capable receiver who was actually covered pretty well and disregarded Thorton and Pop both coming across the middle.

And I'd suggest you learn how DBs roll coverages. Each of the guys you think is open has a defender in position looking at the play, ready and willing to break on the ball.

EDIT: Yeah, listen to TommyD. Man knows the game, too.

 

[Ochmed Jones]

This offense is not Perkins-Earhart offense of old.

It is impossible at this point to figure out who is brisset’s first or second or third or fourth reads.
But two things we know for sure:
1.) brisset is not going to remind anybody of Brady!
2.) that offensive line is the worst offensive line I have ever seen. They are going to get brisset injured very soon if he is not getting the ball out before the route develop