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How do you rank guys like Len Dawson and Ken Stabler higher than Staubach? Favre over Montana? Bob Griese 18th? LO-F'IN-L.
The Ranker list shows what happens when you let a community vote and not have to explain any criteria or thought process behind their votes.
1. Tom Brady
2. Drew Brees
3. Peyton Manning
4. Aaron Rodgers
5. Johnny Unitas
6. Joe Montana
7. Brett Favre
8. John Elway
9. Dan Marino
10. Steve Young
11. Roger Staubach
12. Fran Tarkenton
13. Bart Starr
14. Otto Graham
15. Russell Wilson
16. Jim Kelly
17. Kurt Warner
18. Terry Bradshaw
19. Warren Moon
20. Troy Aikman
I'm not going to defend that list. I will just note that it's very difficult to find just the right "objective" balance to get the QBs right. IceIceBrady was tweaking formulae for a long time and, even so, he was never able to get to the point where I was in line with his list. There was always a couple of guys who would end up in a wonky spot.At least they got #1 right.
How do you rank guys like Len Dawson and Ken Stabler higher than Staubach? Favre over Montana? Bob Griese 18th? LO-F'IN-L.
The Ranker list shows what happens when you let a community vote and not have to explain any criteria or thought process behind their votes.
1. Tom Brady
2. Drew Brees
3. Peyton Manning
4. Aaron Rodgers
5. Johnny Unitas
6. Joe Montana
7. Brett Favre
8. John Elway
9. Dan Marino
10. Steve Young
11. Roger Staubach
12. Fran Tarkenton
13. Bart Starr
14. Otto Graham
15. Russell Wilson
16. Jim Kelly
17. Kurt Warner
18. Terry Bradshaw
19. Warren Moon
20. Troy Aikman
Bradshaw's 4 rings were all with real hall of famers at every position on offense AND defense. I'm not sure how to objectively measure that in a list like this but man, I find it annoying when poeple cite his rings when talking about the all time greats. In his very best season he threw 20 picks.
I'm not going to defend that list. I will just note that it's very difficult to find just the right "objective" balance to get the QBs right. IceIceBrady was tweaking formulae for a long time and, even so, he was never able to get to the point where I was in line with his list. There was always a couple of guys who would end up in a wonky spot.
How much of that is the subjective just refusing to acknowledge the objective, and how much is a problem with things that are either immeasurable or the famous "intangible", I leave for you to decide for your own self.
I really recommend that people read through the entirety of this IIB thread. He did yeoman's work and deserves the full Patsfans.com audience for it.
This is where I’m at. I’ve wrote down criteria and other things and plan on using that and my own research to make a list instead of a numerical system.And yes, always very much a work in progress...I am thinking of just doing a QB countdown rank at some point where I'm guided by, but not bound by, the numerical system and the hours of reading/research I've done and asking for people's opinions as it ticks down. Finally can get rid of that annoying top-5 P. Manning problem
This is where I’m at. I’ve wrote down criteria and other things and plan on using that and my own research to make a list instead of a numerical system.
I saw him...almost every game he played...Roger Staubach is the best leader,the most efficient scrambler and the REAL reason why they started calling Dallas "America's Team!". One of the best men in both character and charisma that has ever graced our lives. Back then I HATED Dallas...everyone did....but Staubach made me feel like he was playing for ME every time I watched the Cowboys play. Heh..a freaking naval academy QB back when Navy was running the frogman offense. Staubach was a 10th round pick...TENTH ROUND...the 126th player taken in 1964. To this day, an opinionated maven of the NFL who shares HIS perspectives on the draft to this day.
I saw him...almost every game he played...Roger Staubach is the best leader,the most efficient scrambler and the REAL reason why they started calling Dallas "America's Team!". One of the best men in both character and charisma that has ever graced our lives. Back then I HATED Dallas...everyone did....but Staubach made me feel like he was playing for ME every time I watched the Cowboys play. Heh..a freaking naval academy QB back when Navy was running the frogman offense. Staubach was a 10th round pick...TENTH ROUND...the 126th player taken in 1964. To this day, an opinionated maven of the NFL who shares HIS perspectives on the draft to this day.
Can't wait to see your list.I’d like to see it.
I’m working on mine but it’s almost done.
Many people will dislike my choices. I think those of you in this thread who have followed and contributed to the project will appreciate the order while some people will just complain about guys they haven’t heard of being too high.
I saw him...almost every game he played...Roger Staubach is the best leader,the most efficient scrambler and the REAL reason why they started calling Dallas "America's Team!". One of the best men in both character and charisma that has ever graced our lives. Back then I HATED Dallas...everyone did....but Staubach made me feel like he was playing for ME every time I watched the Cowboys play. Heh..a freaking naval academy QB back when Navy was running the frogman offense. Staubach was a 10th round pick...TENTH ROUND...the 126th player taken in 1964. To this day, an opinionated maven of the NFL who shares HIS perspectives on the draft to this day.
Can't wait to see your list.
I'm also working on mine at the moment, but not sure when I'll be done. Going over a bunch of different things.
List isn't bad at all except I'd really bump up Young & Manning, which you've heard me say before, a lot lol. Young might be a personal thing but he was absolutely great when things really came together, his peak is up there with anyone imo. Unbelievable rushing threat. Manning dominated and carried almost all his teams. Not popular here but there's not more 3 or 4 guys I would want over him if starting a team.This is my list for now...I have the formula rankings (at least based on current standard) in paranthesis and have put them into tiers...within the tiers, I really couldn't give you a very strong argument that one guy in the tier should be ranked over another, and it comes down to preference about what you're focusing on for greatness.
I'm trying to weigh the totality of accomplishments and performance.
I don't claim to be fully objective here...I try to be fair, though naturally I'm going to be biased based on things I've observed with my eyes along with data, and modern players are going to get more scrutiny from me, for better or worse. Also, I tend to gvie tiebreakers to the older player. Why? Because if their reputations have surived this long, that tells me something...I like to ere on the side of caution with today's players because recency bias is a powerful phenomenon.
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List isn't bad at all except I'd really bump up Young & Manning, which you've heard me say before, a lot lol. Young might be a personal thing but he was absolutely great when things really came together, his peak is up there with anyone imo. Unbelievable rushing threat. Manning dominated and carried almost all his teams. Not popular here but there's not more 3 or 4 guys I would want over him if starting a team.