NFL Expert / Tone Setter
Pretty logical post even though I feel more strongly about Manning. Maybe bump him up over everyone but Otto, Sammy & Staubach if I'm looking at it through Icey eyes and trying to be fair but both are in the top 10 so I can't complain.I understand why you'd want would want to bump both of them up. The thing I'd ask, though, is which quarterbacks you'd move down to make that happen. I'm not trying to do a spite ranking for Manning here..the issue is that I think other players have a greater claim to greatness. Because these guys are all top-10, I'm admittedly nit-picking to some degree, but I'm left with finding the players with the most major flaws.
Baugh (none - could argue Luckman was better head to head, but in the grand scheme, Baugh is basically untouchable)
Graham (none - he is still ranked top 5 when AAFC experience is removed)
Luckman (none - could argue he wasn't best of his era but also could legit argue he was, unlike Manning)
Staubach (none - he began career very late, but in some ways that makes his accomplishments more impressive)
Unitas (none - I've pointed out he is credited for things he didn't do, but even without that, he has no major flaws)
Starr (he never threw for more than the league average TD passes; the responsibility factor can't be zeroed out)
Manning (his big-game failures are almost as much his legacy as his positives)
Young (starting at age 30 was too much of an accomplishments deficit for him to overcome against the guys above him)
Yes, totally agree that Young's peak is up there. The era-adjusted statistical ranks had Young and Staubach as 1-2 in Super Bowl era.
I think putting Young in top 10 is much higher than you'll find on many people's top-10 rankings, which is shameful...if people think Rodgers is a top-10, there's nothing other than recency bias to exclude Young from the same standing.
I think also, despite that Manning bias will be assumed here, if I'm ranking these QBs based only on post-merger, Manning is #4. I think the major issue with putting him #9 is that this really is an all-time rankings list. If you either remove or de-rank Baugh, Luckman, Graham, Starr, and Unitas, like most lists tend to do, it looks much less damning for Manning.