Adam Schefter: Patriots want minimum of 1st and 4th round picks for QB Jimmy Garoppolo

[patfanken]

Yep. The Pats are dangling the bait out there. If some team is desperate enough to meet those demands then see ya, Jimmy. Upon thinking about it further, something tells me that they're selling high, though, and would probably trade him for less than that.

I don't know why some people think that it would take a desperate team to give the Pats a first and 4th? Yet if they picked a Blake Bortles pick (and most QB prospects aren't that good this year) it would be OK. The only difference is that the money would be bigger in 2018, but the risk is a lot less, and your price in 2017 would actually be less (I think)

The Brown's 10th pick is perfectly legitimate for JG, and who cares about a 4th rounder at that point. Remember the Browns have a team full of rookies and would still have over 10 picks again. There comes a point were you can have too many picks for your own good. At some point you have to build a team as opposed to just audition prospects all the time.

So in my mind, the question here ISN'T why do the Pats want a first and 4th for JG, its why wouldn't a team be willing to pay that for the best young QB available in any market. Especially when they can take so much time from the ramp up proccess and eliminate so much of the risk. Sounds like a good deal all around

 

[Ring 6]

Solve these simultaneous equations:

Schefter says Garoppolo is on the block for a minimum of 1st + 4th

Lombardi says he'd be stunned if the Pats trade Garoppolo

Possible solutions:
- Lombardi would be stunned if anybody offered a 1st + 4th.
- One of the two media dudes has lousy sources. (Note that sources are Schefter's stock in trade while Lombardi is more about opinions and insights.)

Why would you take 2 people giving their own opinion and assume they must be congruent?

 

[nabwong]

Solve these simultaneous equations:

Schefter says Garoppolo is on the block for a minimum of 1st + 4th

Lombardi says he'd be stunned if the Pats trade Garoppolo

Possible solutions:
- Lombardi would be stunned if anybody offered a 1st + 4th.
- One of the two media dudes has lousy sources. (Note that sources are Schefter's stock in trade while Lombardi is more about opinions and insights.)

Or... people are making **** up on a slow news week? There's so much misinformation on the internet. I think there is no set position on Jimmy. I think any player is tradeable. Even Brady. I mean if someone gave us 4 #1 picks, you'd be crazy not to take it. Doesn't mean it would happen.

I think whether we trade or don't trade Jimmy depends on the haul. Like BB said, you don't need insurance until you need insurance. Brissett is not ready. Another year of Jimmy with the possibility of franchising him at the end and trade is pretty good too. QB is the hardest position to get right and i'm sure BB knows that.

 

[The Gr8est]

I get the value of a franchise QB in a QB-challenged draft, but trading the #3 overall pick for a 37-year-old QB with a horrible injury history and a $20 million per year contract...ouch.

You think plays like this come cheap?

 

[Ring 6]

Yes except Texans owe Ossy another $18m. Not this year

And why would they dump Savage for Garoppolo?

 

[The Gr8est]

Not only that (assuming they end the season 1-15), Cleveland has the first pick in rounds 2,3,5,6. Along with Tenn 2nd round pick and the Pats 5th rounder. Plus they are scheduled to get a 3rd (would go to the Pats if its a 3rd), 4th, and 5th round comp pick.

Plus all their picks in 2018 plus an additional 2nd, 4th, and 6th round picks.

To say Cleveland is set up for the draft would be an understatement.

But without a QB, the Browns can only go so far.

They will already get the top pick on the draft, trading away #10 to get one of the few young QBs with the best chance to produce seems like a no-brainer.

This isn't a team that would be mortgaging their future like the Redskins and Rams did.

 

[mosslost]

Let's discuss.. best landing spots.. shall we!

I actually have been starting to lean toward the upside of keeping him even if we lose the pick or picks, unless the offer is rediculous. With the "franchise" we could keep him two more years as Brady and future insurance.... If he is really as good as we all witnessed and keep hearing, he would come in ready to go. It might be a huge regret to not have him and Brady not last that much longer. (Unless Brady wins like the next 2 or 3 Super Bowls)

 

[BobDigital]

Yes except Texans owe Ossy another $18m. Not this year

If a team lets the fact they paid the wrong guy stop them they are idiots.

Os is not the answer. They hoped he would be but he is not. Why would you let a bad deal stop you from trying to make a good one? Worth noting though in 2018 they can cut him and only be stuck for 6m.

The answer is simple in cap terms. carry both this year. Cut Os and franchise JAG if you want an extra years look at him.

People forget that teams can easily franchise JAG in 2018 if they want another look at him without long term risk. That is attractive.

 

[Ring 6]

But without a QB, the Browns can only go so far.

They will already get the top pick on the draft, trading away #10 to get one of the few young QBs with the best chance to produce seems like a no-brainer.

This isn't a team that would be mortgaging their future like the Redskins and Rams did.

You are assuming the Browns think Garropollo is the answer at QB.
I don't think this is the certainty that Pats fans want to now make it.
Remember before he played most of 5 quarters, the typical Patriot fan was hoping the team they now believe has a great chance to win the SB could possibly get lucky and go 2-2 with Garoppolo. Then the reaction to game 1 was mostly good, and he had a killer half vs Miami, now he is the savior of a 1-14 team?
Big stretch.

 

[patchick]

nature of the beast. I think we sometimes forget how much it sucks to not have a decent QB. We saw a glipse in week 4. If you see that for 16 games Romo looks pretty tempting.

To be fair, in week 4 the Patriots had NO quarterbacks at all -- at least none healthy enough that they belonged on the field. And the thing about Romo is that he's played a grand total of 4 games in the past two seasons combined. In a way, he's as big an unknown as Garoppolo but with a higher price tag and shorter self life.

 

[mosslost]

Browns have 2 picks in first round

1st pick
10th pick

Would be huge if we got the 10th pick.

Going to be a busy offseason

ask for both if he is as good as everyone says

 

[Ring 6]

If a team lets the fact they paid the wrong guy stop them they are idiots.

Os is not the answered. They hoped he would be but he is not. Why would you let a bad deal stop you from trying to make a good one? Worth noting though in 2018 they can cut him and only be stuck for 6m.

The answer is simple in cap terms. carry both this year. Cut Os and franchise JAG if you want an extra years look at him.

People forget that teams can easily franchise JAG in 2018 if they want another look at him without long term risk. That is attractive.

Why would they trade a first round pick (and maybe more) to get Garroppolo when they already have a very comparable guy in Savage?

 

[1960Pats]

Didn't he just tweet that he has sources close to the Patriots saying we won't trade him? Which one is it?

Mort? Really?

 

[sb1]

In other words... he will stay a Patriot.

Nothing wrong with throwing it out there of course...

 

[Kontradiction]

I don't know why some people think that it would take a desperate team to give the Pats a first and 4th? Yet if they picked a Blake Bortles pick (and most QB prospects aren't that good this year) it would be OK. The only difference is that the money would be bigger in 2018, but the risk is a lot less, and your price in 2017 would actually be less (I think)

The Brown's 10th pick is perfectly legitimate for JG, and who cares about a 4th rounder at that point. Remember the Browns have a team full of rookies and would still have over 10 picks again. There comes a point were you can have too many picks for your own good. At some point you have to build a team as opposed to just audition prospects all the time.

So in my mind, the question here ISN'T why do the Pats want a first and 4th for JG, its why wouldn't a team be willing to pay that for the best young QB available in any market. Especially when they can take so much time from the ramp up proccess and eliminate so much of the risk. Sounds like a good deal all around

The Jaguars are, quite possibly, a quarterback away from contending for that division. That would make them a desperate team. The Texans last offseason were the definition of that which is why they backed up the Brinks truck for Assweiler.

 

[stinkypete]

The question becomes this: how does JG's value to New England compare with his value to other teams in the NFL?

Shefter's number of a 1st + 4th is pure speculation based on the Bradford trade. I believe that a couple of teams would be willing to part with this. While Bradford had 6 years experience as a starter, he has been mostly below average during this time. JG has shown more promise in his limited experience and is younger/cheaper.

The issue of value is the 1st round pick. If Belichick views JG as a long term starter, than his net return must be a pick valued high enough to hypothetically draft another long term starter. IMO, JG is worth a top 10 pick if not a top 5. If other teams are not willing to give that up, then he has greater value to the Patriots as an insurance policy for Brady.

Honestly, I think Belichick keeps both for 2017, and trades Brady to the Niners after the 2017 season. As incredibly unpopular and sacrilegious an opinion this is, it is the best long term option for the team UNLESS Belichick is convinced that Brisset is the real deal.

 

[mosslost]

It's his famous "source close to the Patriots". No one has any idea what that means. I can make **** up and say it came from an unnamed source.

out of fairness to the news media out there, they do not take it that far. It would be utterly unethical for any of them to make anything up. I would argue that when someone writes "according to a source close to the Pats/FBI/DNC/RNC, whatever" that it is likely 100% the truth that that is where the info is coming from.

 

[ALP]

Lol u talk about trading jimmy and y'all get real worked up

 

[jimnance]

If a team lets the fact they paid the wrong guy stop them they are idiots.

Os is not the answered. They hoped he would be but he is not. Why would you let a bad deal stop you from trying to make a good one? Worth noting though in 2018 they can cut him and only be stuck for 6m.

The answer is simple in cap terms. carry both this year. Cut Os and franchise JAG if you want an extra years look at him.

People forget that teams can easily franchise JAG in 2018 if they want another look at him without long term risk. That is attractive.

That would tie up a huge amt of $ at the qb position. Plus, Tb is likely to play beyond 2018 PLUS you'd have a disgruntled backup qb. Can't see that as a viable option.

 

[BelichicksBlackEye]

It's his famous "source close to the Patriots". No one has any idea what that means. I can make **** up and say it came from an unnamed source.

Apparently Schefter's Patriots source is Jonathan Kraft