Adam Schefter: Patriots want minimum of 1st and 4th round picks for QB Jimmy Garoppolo

[BobDigital]

Why would they trade a first round pick (and maybe more) to get Garroppolo when they already have a very comparable guy in Savage?

Cause they are not comparable in the most important way. IE their play on the field.

Savage has 65 pass 0 TDs 0 Ints and his team is averaging 16.5 PPG in 2 games. He is playing like a game manager and it shows. If he kept this up the Texans would be a bottom 5 Offense (also he did it against the Jags and Bengals).

Jimmy in just 6 quarters and 62 pass has 4 TDs 0 Ints. Lets assume he only would have got the 7 more points that game the pats scored (likely an understatement). He would have led his O to 27 PPG which would be a top 5 Offense (also did it against AZ and Miami).

Clearly not the same.

 

[mosslost]

The question becomes this: how does JG's value to New England compare with his value to other teams in the NFL?

Shefter's number of a 1st + 4th is pure speculation based on the Bradford trade. I believe that a couple of teams would be willing to part with this. While Bradford had 6 years experience as a starter, he has been mostly below average during this time. JG has shown more promise in his limited experience and is younger/cheaper.

The issue of value is the 1st round pick. If Belichick views JG as a long term starter, than his net return must be a pick valued high enough to hypothetically draft another long term starter. IMO, JG is worth a top 10 pick if not a top 5. If other teams are not willing to give that up, then he has greater value to the Patriots as an insurance policy for Brady.

Honestly, I think Belichick keeps both for 2017, and trades Brady to the Niners after the 2017 season. As incredibly unpopular and sacrilegious an opinion this is, it is the best long term option for the team UNLESS Belichick is convinced that Brisset is the real deal.

You cannot trade Brady if he is still having the best years of his career.

 

[BobDigital]

That would tie up a huge amt of $ at the qb position. Plus, Tb is likely to play beyond 2018 PLUS you'd have a disgruntled backup qb. Can't see that as a viable option.

I was not speaking about the Pats. That was about Houston.

 

[JarOfMayo51]

Jaguars would be the best landing spot assuming they don't hire a complete boob of a head coach. They have the pieces in place on offense for success.

Plus the added bonus of watching Jimmy G beat up on the Colts 2 times a year!

If they did that though, they would be admitting that Bortles was a total bust of a pick and they used the #3 overall on him... Ouch!

 

[Kontradiction]

Plus the added bonus of watching Jimmy G beat up on the Colts 2 times a year!

If they did that though, they would be admitting that Bortles was a total bust of a pick and they used the #3 overall on him... Ouch!

The sooner they admit that, the better it would be for them. Bortles is a total bust. So was Joeckel.

 

[PatriotsPimp136]

The browns are the most logical choice but i am surprise the pats are asking for a 4th rounder. They should be asking for more.

 

[PatriotsPimp136]

The sooner they admit that, the better it would be for them. Bortles is a total bust. So was Joeckel.

I bet joeckel could be a stud with a guy like scar

 

[mosslost]

The browns are the most logical choice but i am surprise the pats are asking for a 4th rounder. They should be asking for more.

both firsts and Jamie Collins..... (I know I know he is free agent and a malcontent)

 

[PatsDeb]

Yep. The Pats are dangling the bait out there. If some team is desperate enough to meet those demands then see ya, Jimmy. Upon thinking about it further, something tells me that they're selling high, though, and would probably trade him for less than that.

Maybe. I'll bet there is someone out there willing to pay. So many teams have busted on 1st round QBs and still need a good one desperately. Jimmy G. has looked pretty good when out there, and if you've "busted" three times in a row on a 1st round QB (Cleveland?) why not give away the pick for someone you know can at least start in, and be competitive in, an NFL game who has spent the last 3 years learning from the best?

 

[Kontradiction]

I bet joeckel could be a stud with a guy like scar

The challenge may be to first get him to a point where he's even somewhat serviceable. Forget about being a stud. Joeckel has been pure trash.

 

[jimnance]

I was not speaking about the Pats. That was about Houston.

My bad. Need more coffee.

 

[BobDigital]

My bad. Need more coffee.

Don't we all

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

The browns are the most logical choice but i am surprise the pats are asking for a 4th rounder. They should be asking for more.

Don't be surprised. The Pats have said nothing. It's speculation by AS.

 

[1960Pats]

I don't know why some people think that it would take a desperate team to give the Pats a first and 4th? Yet if they picked a Blake Bortles pick (and most QB prospects aren't that good this year) it would be OK. The only difference is that the money would be bigger in 2018, but the risk is a lot less, and your price in 2017 would actually be less (I think)

The Brown's 10th pick is perfectly legitimate for JG, and who cares about a 4th rounder at that point. Remember the Browns have a team full of rookies and would still have over 10 picks again. There comes a point were you can have too many picks for your own good. At some point you have to build a team as opposed to just audition prospects all the time.

So in my mind, the question here ISN'T why do the Pats want a first and 4th for JG, its why wouldn't a team be willing to pay that for the best young QB available in any market. Especially when they can take so much time from the ramp up proccess and eliminate so much of the risk. Sounds like a good deal all around

The timing of JG's emergence has worked perfectly for the Pats. Goodell and the crybaby owners tried to screw the Pats and it bit them in the ass instead. JG has come out from the shadows at the exact time that QBs are needed.

I was a Browns fan before the Pats existed. I'd be pulling hard for them if JG was their QB.

 

[Ring 6]

Cause they are not comparable in the most important way. IE their play on the field.

Savage has 65 pass 0 TDs 0 Ints and his team is averaging 16.5 PPG in 2 games. He is playing like a game manager and it shows. If he kept this up the Texans would be a bottom 5 Offense (also he did it against the Jags and Bengals).

Jimmy in just 6 quarters and 62 pass has 4 TDs 0 Ints. Lets assume he only would have got the 7 more points that game the pats scored (likely an understatement). He would have led his O to 27 PPG which would be a top 5 Offense (also did it against AZ and Miami).

Clearly not the same.

They are extremely comparable.
5 quarters of football each is not a sample size.
There is absolutely no way in the world that Houston gives up a first round pick to bring in Jimmy G to compete with a similar guy they have handed their team over to after developing him for 3 years.

You are essentially saying that Jimmy Gs first half against Miami is the defining difference in these 2 QBs to the point that you trade away first round pick to get one over the other. Homerific.

 

[PatsDeb]

They are extremely comparable.
5 quarters of football each is not a sample size.
There is absolutely no way in the world that Houston gives up a first round pick to bring in Jimmy G to compete with a similar guy they have handed their team over to after developing him for 3 years.

You are essentially saying that Jimmy Gs first half against Miami is the defining difference in these 2 QBs to the point that you trade away first round pick to get one over the other. Homerific.

Yeah, I don't see Houston making a play for Jimmy G., but what do teams like Cleveland & Jacksonville have to lose? Even the Jets should consider him, but BB would never sell to them.

 

[Joey007]

Chicago? Goes back to his home state, and leaves the conference.

 

[Bill Lee]

So in my mind, the question here ISN'T why do the Pats want a first and 4th for JG, its why wouldn't a team be willing to pay that for the best young QB available in any market. Especially when they can take so much time from the ramp up proccess and eliminate so much of the risk. Sounds like a good deal all around

The cost for JG won't just be the 1st and 4th round picks, it'll also be the Ostweiler-like contract demand sure to follow once it becomes clear that the team just gave up a king's ransom just to get him into their building. Without such a thing all the team gets is one year of JG's services and then he gets franchised or walks out the door. The team can let him play on his rookie contract for a season, but at the end of it he's going to either be a bust (see: Ostweiler) and thus the trade will be a bust and the GM's job is at risk, or he'll be a serviceable or better QB that gets paid franchise money.

You are thinking like a rational fan, not like the GM of a team that thinks it's entirely possible that they will find the next Dak Prescott in one of those picks and thus get a great quarterback at cheap money for four years. The GM making the suggested trade is taking on more risk than one who just uses the picks himself, IMHO. He'd have to really believe JG is the real deal or find that his owner thinks JG is the real deal (see Ostweiler). It could get very ugly very quickly.

The question becomes this: how does JG's value to New England compare with his value to other teams in the NFL?

Shefter's number of a 1st + 4th is pure speculation based on the Bradford trade. I believe that a couple of teams would be willing to part with this. While Bradford had 6 years experience as a starter, he has been mostly below average during this time. JG has shown more promise in his limited experience and is younger/cheaper.

Bradford came with a contract that kept him in Minn for two years. Their GM said this was a big part of the justification of trading for him.

Honestly, I think Belichick keeps both for 2017, and trades Brady to the Niners after the 2017 season. As incredibly unpopular and sacrilegious an opinion this is, it is the best long term option for the team UNLESS Belichick is convinced that Brisset is the real deal.

Bite your tongue!

 

[BobDigital]

They are extremely comparable.
5 quarters of football each is not a sample size.
There is absolutely no way in the world that Houston gives up a first round pick to bring in Jimmy G to compete with a similar guy they have handed their team over to after developing him for 3 years.

You are essentially saying that Jimmy Gs first half against Miami is the defining difference in these 2 QBs to the point that you trade away first round pick to get one over the other. Homerific.

Teams risk first round picks for complete unknowns at QB all the time. You need to take risk if you want to find the guy. The sample size is all we have to go on. Trying to compare them any other way is completely meaningless.

Teams can either trade for him and have him for sure or wait for FA (assuming no one else trades for him). Also if he hits FA he will get offers more than 4/72 cause teams have no choice but to pay it. The demand is that bad and supply of good players too low.

JAG looked better in his short time than Osweiler ever did and they gave Os 4/72. They had nothing to base it on that he would be worth it but they gave it to him anyway cause risk are needed. They hoped he would build on what he did in Denver. He didn't. If anything he regressed.

Sorry to say but QB is the one spot you need to invest a lot of either capital or money in without much to go on or nothing as far as a long proven track record of NFL results cause hoping for a FA like Brees and Manning to pop up is super rare. You need to take risk cause generally a team will never let a good proven QB walk or trade one.

 

[Bill Lee]

Maybe. I'll bet there is someone out there willing to pay. So many teams have busted on 1st round QBs and still need a good one desperately. Jimmy G. has looked pretty good when out there, and if you've "busted" three times in a row on a 1st round QB (Cleveland?) why not give away the pick for someone you know can at least start in, and be competitive in, an NFL game who has spent the last 3 years learning from the best?

The flip side of this is that Ostweiler looked good for the games he started in DEN (some better than others) and learned from Forehead for two seasons. As costly as Ostweiler's contract is, it didn't consume draft picks so it's 'only' money, and Jimmy will be needing a new contract too so there will be both high draft picks and big money involved.