According to Jason Cole, teams are alreadying vying for Garoppolo!

[Anteros]

I can guarantee that will happen.

Too many legacies at stake here.

While it's true that no player is greater than the team or organization , Tom is bridge or tunnel name worthy.

And yet there's that New York Times article with these words from Tom Sr. :

I put the “ending badly” question to Brady’s actual father. Unburdened by diplomacy or loyalty to anyone but his son, the original Tom Brady did not hesitate. “It will end badly,” he said. “It does end badly. And I know that because I know what Tommy wants to do. He wants to play till he’s 70.” He noted the drafting of Garoppolo and said the Patriots smartly didn’t want to be “caught with their pants down,” as the Colts were when Peyton Manning was injured a few years ago. “It’s a cold business,” the senior Brady said. “And for as much as you want it to be familial, it isn’t.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/01/magazine/tom-brady-cannot-stop.html?smid=tw-nytimes&_r=2

Also, Tom is very aware that it might happen:

A father's pride

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Yes, Tom WILL be wicked pissed when he's cut at 50

 

[Armchair Quarterback]

I agree with you as long as both stay with the Pats but what about when either retires? Why set up another team to overtake us?

Because Brady and Belichick could be here another 4-5 years. Because you can't stop JMD from leaving now if he wants to. Because you can get a high return now for JG. There really is no way to realistically keep both unless you want to push out Brady and/or Belichick prematurely. And most importantly, you seem to be forecasting both to be at or around the same level of where TB and BB are now. There is absolutely no guarantee that either one will come close to that level. Who says another team having JMD means they will overtake us in the future? He has had very little success outside of NE. Or JG for that matter? He's thrown less than 100 career passes.

 

[Love The Drake]

100 beautiful passes

 

[RobertWeathers]

And yet there's that New York Times article with these words from Tom Sr. :

I put the “ending badly” question to Brady’s actual father. Unburdened by diplomacy or loyalty to anyone but his son, the original Tom Brady did not hesitate. “It will end badly,” he said. “It does end badly. And I know that because I know what Tommy wants to do. He wants to play till he’s 70.” He noted the drafting of Garoppolo and said the Patriots smartly didn’t want to be “caught with their pants down,” as the Colts were when Peyton Manning was injured a few years ago. “It’s a cold business,” the senior Brady said. “And for as much as you want it to be familial, it isn’t.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/01/magazine/tom-brady-cannot-stop.html?smid=tw-nytimes&_r=2

Also, Tom is very aware that it might happen:

A father's pride

If Tom is hell bent on playing till his very last breath it will not be in Foxboro.

We have 17 years worth of observation which tells us BB has zero amount on sentimentality and he will not keep aging players longer than he should.

 

[moosekill]

There is a value the Patriots place on every position, including back up quarterback. The Patriots already have a starting QB for next year and another backup QB that has started for them and is under a cheap contract for the next few years. Therefore, JG has a relatively low real value to the Patriots, ie a good chance he won't play much next year, and his market value looks to probably be the highest it will be, based upon his contract status and recent play. Yet they don't have to get rid of him, (see Brady Bledsoe trade) so if the trade offers suck they won't get rid of him, but he is taking up a spot on their roster that could go to another player and he could be much more valuable to another team so the return should be very good. Based upon his reported value, I see no possible way the Patriots don't trade him.

 

[mosslost]

Depends how high. By high i mean top 7 or higher.

1 first round pick can be worth more than 3 or even 4 other first round picks and if we get one that is really high i would look to trade down to multiple first round picks.

One thing I have always wondered. (and it applies to a lot of things regarding "buying and selling") is if it is so smart to trade a high one for multiple lower ones (not saying it isn't, just curious) than WHY would anyone be our trading partner in that scenario? In other words the team with the 2 lower picks is trading to us what we would rather have, and we are trading that high one away that they are trading for.

It is kind of like how they sometimes say no one should ever trade with Belichick just in order to deny him what he wants, or to just realize he is valuing what you think you need to trade away more than what he is giving you for it... so.... don't do it! lol

 

[PatsDeb]

Because Brady and Belichick could be here another 4-5 years. Because you can't stop JMD from leaving now if he wants to. Because you can get a high return now for JG. There really is no way to realistically keep both unless you want to push out Brady and/or Belichick prematurely. And most importantly, you seem to be forecasting both to be at or around the same level of where TB and BB are now. There is absolutely no guarantee that either one will come close to that level. Who says another team having JMD means they will overtake us in the future? He has had very little success outside of NE. Or JG for that matter? He's thrown less than 100 career passes.

I was responding more to the idea that JMD will go to a new team (I agree that's looking like a reality) and BB will allow him to take JG with him in a trade. Unless BB thinks JG will never amount to much, I am not sure why he would agree to do that.

 

[Ring 6]

If Tom is hell bent on playing till his very last breath it will not be in Foxboro.

We have 17 years worth of observation which tells us BB has zero amount on sentimentality and he will not keep aging players longer than he should.

None of those were Tom Brady.

 

[Ring 6]

I was responding more to the idea that JMD will go to a new team (I agree that's looking like a reality) and BB will allow him to take JG with him in a trade. Unless BB thinks JG will never amount to much, I am not sure why he would agree to do that.

If he plans to trade Jimmy G, then it is to the highest bidder. If that's Josh, so be it. I could see an inside track where BB would let Josh beat the highest offer if he wants to, but there will be no friendship discount.

 

[TomPatriot]

It doesn't detract from your point, but Osweiler has never had a good season. He literally got $72M for being tall, playing behind Peyton, and being a 2nd round pick.

Spot. On. True. Dat.

 

[A.C Vegas]

I have been reading this thread and it just occurred to me that if JMD did leave and then traded for JG how fast would the league attack the Pats for collution or tampering

 

[reflexblue]

Garoppolo for a 1st, a 4th, $1 million and a 20 year supply of urinal pucks imprinted with Roger Goodell's face for all the urinals at Gillette seems about right to me.

I'd also lkie toilet paper with goodells face printed on it in all the stalls.

 

[TomPatriot]

BB will not trade Tom.

We'll see.

 

[Armchair Quarterback]

I was responding more to the idea that JMD will go to a new team (I agree that's looking like a reality) and BB will allow him to take JG with him in a trade. Unless BB thinks JG will never amount to much, I am not sure why he would agree to do that.

To strengthen this team at other positions while Brady is still at the top of his game. JMD would have to pay full price, if not more, to bring Garopollo with him and that price would have to start at a minimum a first round pick.

 

[mosslost]

Because Brady and Belichick could be here another 4-5 years. Because you can't stop JMD from leaving now if he wants to. Because you can get a high return now for JG. There really is no way to realistically keep both unless you want to push out Brady and/or Belichick prematurely. And most importantly, you seem to be forecasting both to be at or around the same level of where TB and BB are now. There is absolutely no guarantee that either one will come close to that level. Who says another team having JMD means they will overtake us in the future? He has had very little success outside of NE. Or JG for that matter? He's thrown less than 100 career passes.

Everyone always talks about "Steve Young" as the example (or Aaron Rodgers) as what they want to happen with the Pats.

Using the 49er eaxmple.. First of all Young only won ONE Super Bowl. IF Brady played 4 or 5 more years and won 2 more Super Bowls or even more.. What would it matter if he had "passed the baton to a new QB or not?"...

Another way, if you were the 49ers of the early 90s, wouldn't it have been cool if rather than having his career cut short by injury, that Montana had uncanny longevity until like 1997 and won 6 or 7 rings instead of 4.? (heck even just 5 would match the franchize out put with Young)

I think Brady staying around longer and winning a couple more is more legendary. And you can be very good (Marino?) and not win the thing. Brady as long as possible then get another QB. Jimmy looks good but I would rather run with a 40-45 year old Brady for 5 more years.

 

[deroc5050]

Everyone always talks about "Steve Young" as the example (or Aaron Rodgers) as what they want to happen with the Pats.

Using the 49er eaxmple.. First of all Young only won ONE Super Bowl. IF Brady played 4 or 5 more years and won 2 more Super Bowls or even more.. What would it matter if he had "passed the baton to a new QB or not?"...

Another way, if you were the 49ers of the early 90s, wouldn't it have been cool if rather than having his career cut short by injury, that Montana had uncanny longevity until like 1997 and won 6 or 7 rings instead of 4.? (heck even just 5 would match the franchize out put with Young)

I think Brady staying around longer and winning a couple more is more legendary. And you can be very good (Marino?) and not win the thing. Brady as long as possible then get another QB. Jimmy looks good but I would rather run with a 40-45 year old Brady for 5 more years.

Well we have no clue how Brady is going to perform after this season. I am pretty sure he will put up big numbers at age 40. After that every year we will all be watching to see if he starts to decline.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Well we have no clue how Brady is going to perform after this season. I am pretty sure he will put up big numbers at age 40. After that every year we will all be watching to see if he starts to decline.

AFTER THAT ???

Folks here at Patsfans have had Brady In Decline preseason & in season topics for 5 years running already

 

[RobertWeathers]

None of those were Tom Brady.

I don't think it'll matter but we'll see.

 

[RobertWeathers]

We'll see.

Based on how the situation is in Foxboro, if it comes to pass, Tom will trade himself.