According to Jason Cole, teams are alreadying vying for Garoppolo!

[deroc5050]

FWIW, BB has watched JG his entire career and still spent a relatively high pick (3rd round) on another QB last year.
There is no reason to pick Jimmy G over Brady if we are talking about 2017 to 2019. Moving Brady instead of Jimmy G decreases the Pats' SB chances over that time frame.
BB is cold-blooded; he didn't give Bledsoe back his job because Brady earned it. IIRC, there was talk around the Patriots that Brady had been outplaying Bledsoe in the preseason and the practices. I have yet to see/hear any of that about Jimmy G.

Yeah if JG was out playing Brady, that would change things. As far as Drew comparison.. its almost like apples and oranges at this point. Brady has done almost the impossible over a 16 year career.

 

[deroc5050]

BB will not trade Tom.

If Kraft tells BB he can't trade Tom, Bill will quit.

I just think between all the years of experience they have and having the best system in the NFL over 16 years.. and its not even close.. Kraft, Bill and Tom would probably all sit down and discuss the future as business men at this point.

 

[deroc5050]

I don't dispute that he would play if he wanted to. I don't think he would want to. So your statement isn't saying anything.

I don't think he makes 2-14 basket case sf into an 8-8 team let alone playoffs but it's debateable.

My statement is just saying that just because Tom got traded wouldn't stop him from playing. If he wanted to play and the Pats traded him, he would play. He makes SF a playoff team. I bet he makes the Browns a playoff team. Or at the very least.. he makes them winning teams. Its really impossible to say for sure but I wouldn't bet against Tom. Especially seeing as the NFL is a QB driven league most of the time.

 

[Patsfanin Philly]

It's kraft's team, you think bb won't call him? You think he wouldn't have veto power? "Hi bob, we just traded Brady for a whole bunch of Cyrus jones picks".

How is that hating kraft? I don't think he'd do it.

I think if that happened, Belichick might be asking for another napkin and a pen.............

 

[Wheelman]

It kind of bums me out to think about losing Jimmy G & Josh all in one fell swoop. In addition, if I am BB I think long & hard about it, particularly if they are going to an AFC team, whether to make a trade with Josh's new team for Jimmy G. Why should he set up a rival for years to come with what might be a better coach/QB combination than the Pats are left with? If I am BB, I make sure Josh DOESN'T take Jimmy G. with him.

I'm cool with Josh taking Jimmy for three 1st round picks, a 2nd round pick, a 3rd round pick, and a 4th round pick.

 

[Hercules Rockefeller]

That's all true, but it's a separate (albeit related) set of issues. Drafting, developing, and paying Bortles is a sunk cost. What you've described doesn't contradict that, but is basically the standard list of petty, stupid, prideful, and/or self-serving reasons why people double down on the wrong decision rather than making the right one.

Exactly, that was a list of reasons why people don't see a sunk cost

 

[Ochmed Jones]

I think we are looking at this too black and white,

Qb's need to be in a system that compliments their abilities and the offense has to be able to run some too.

Dan Marino was the most gifted passer I have ever seen, because the system fit his strengths. Unfortunately Miami could not run the ball and because of that, he did not win anything.

The key to getting the most out of jimmy is giving him a running game and designing a pass offense that suits his strengths.

 

[Uptown]

It's hard to look at Bortles regression and see a winner. There's not a ton of QBs in the league's history who have regressed and then recovered. But the league is full of guys like RG3, Vince Young, Osweiler, et al who have had a decent to good year, started to suck and never recovered.

Yeah, I believe the dude has more pick-6s than TDs in his career. I might be...over.

 

[1960Pats]

I don't think chalking it all up as sunk cost works in this scenario. There's a lot of other factors.

There's only a sunk cost from the owner's standpoint. The GM and scouts? If they declare Bortles a bust they're done. The only shot they have is that he turns it around.

And from the owner's standpoint I think there's more than just sunk cost - there's also the PR aspect and doubtlessly a little pride at stake here too. Sometimes it's really hard for people to admit they're wrong.

Personally, I haven't had to deal with that but I know quite a few people who have. It didn't look easy.

 

[pdangle]

Now don't get me wrong I'd be more than happy getting a 1st and whatever for JG this off-season, but what's the rush? And at such a risk for a 2017 deep playoff run? This team is built to win it all now, next season and maybe a couple beyond. Of them, excluding this 2016 squad, next season is probably our best shot of any of the years after that. So besides an injury epidemic akin to the wrath of god, the only one bad luck, minor ankle sprain type injury that would have the same effect, is one to Brady.

I'd say keep JG thru 2017. Try to unload him near the deadline instead. If the situation dictaes we need to keep him, andwe get nothing, but Brady is covered, I'm fine with that security alone. And what if TB gets hurt, like 1 out of every 7 qbs do per year? What then? Would you still be so happy for that rookie 1st and 4th, but with a one/two and done in the playoffs with it? I wouldn't.

I'd propose we keep JG till the deadline next season. See how Brissett has progressed, see how TB's body is holding up, and THEN make the decision to pull the trigger. How much less would the trade bring in? Just a 1st and no 4th? I'd still be happy with that and NE would be able to assess team risk and make a better decision with fewer unknowns in the process.

I have a sneaking suspicion BB really values JG as the backup next season for reasons mentioned above, and I think the chances JG is dealt this off season are not as high as most believe. But we will see. Anyway, it'll be and interesting dynamic we'll get to watch unfold and end up.

 

[Soul_Survivor88]

Now don't get me wrong I'd be more than happy getting a 1st and whatever for JG this off-season, but what's the rush? And at such a risk for a 2017 deep playoff run? This team is built to win it all now, next season and maybe a couple beyond. Of them, excluding this 2016 squad, next season is probably our best shot of any of the years after that. So besides an injury epidemic akin to the wrath of god, the only one bad luck, minor ankle sprain type injury that would have the same effect, is one to Brady.

I'd say keep JG thru 2017. Try to unload him near the deadline instead. If the situation dictaes we need to keep him, andwe get nothing, but Brady is covered, I'm fine with that security alone. And what if TB gets hurt, like 1 out of every 7 qbs do per year? What then? Would you still be so happy for that rookie 1st and 4th, but with a one/two and done in the playoffs with it? I wouldn't.

I'd propose we keep JG till the deadline next season. See how Brissett has progressed, see how TB's body is holding up, and THEN make the decision to pull the trigger. How much less would the trade bring in? Just a 1st and no 4th? I'd still be happy with that and NE would be able to assess team risk and make a better decision with fewer unknowns in the process.

I have a sneaking suspicion BB really values JG as the backup next season for reasons mentioned above, and I think the chances JG is dealt this off season are not as high as most believe. But we will see. Anyway, it'll be and interesting dynamic we'll get to watch unfold and end up.

I used to feel the same way around late September, when Jimmy G. was playing as well as any of us could have hoped....the only thing is, I came to see the same thing you've noticed: that this team seems equipped to win it all now, and that getting the most out of Brady is vital to securing another ring.

But unlike you, I believe the key to success is having a high-caliber offensive line, a strong running game, and a top tier defense. To achieve that, you need cap space and lots of draft capital.

So actually, trading Jimmy G makes a lot of sense. Right now, his trade value is the highest it will ever be. Not to mention, there are a lot of teams looking for a QB and the draft doesnt seem to offer any franchise-level potential who can quickly turn things around. There are older, veteran QBs in free agency who will have a much longer resume, but not nearly the same upside or splash as a young, upcoming talent like Garoppolo.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

A friend who will remain nameless *cough*Zip*cough* suggested that there's always the potential of Josh going to SF and bringing a Patriots' QB other than Jimmy with him. If Brady was going to go anywhere...

I'm no longer friends with this person. I don't want that kind of negativity in my life.

I hope this suggestion is not a "blind squirrel finds the acorn" thing.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I just think between all the years of experience they have and having the best system in the NFL over 16 years.. and its not even close.. Kraft, Bill and Tom would probably all sit down and discuss the future as business men at this point.

I can guarantee that will happen.

Too many legacies at stake here.

While it's true that no player is greater than the team or organization , Tom is bridge or tunnel name worthy.

 

[Armchair Quarterback]

1. You don't trade your starting QB when he just went 11-1 with 28 TDs and 2 pics. I don't care what the rational.

2. For most teams in the market for a QB, JG would be a better match. It wouldn't make much sense for SF to trade 3 1sts for Brady because of age, cost and where their team is at but it would for say a 1st and a 2nd/3rd for JG because of cost, age and upside.

 

[Armchair Quarterback]

And if JMD wants JG, he's going to have to pay the price, likely even higher. I wouldn't count on a package deal.

 

[micronin127]

The two teams that I think make the most sense for JG are Cleveland and Chicago, and they both kept their head coach.

Of the 6 openings:
1. Denver (has two young QBs, not a landing spot for Josh)
2. LA (has Goff)
3. Buffalo (has $27.5m injury guarantee grievance thingy going on with Tyrod Taylor, and a clown show to boot)
4. Jacksonville (makes the most sense)
5. San Francisco (also makes sense, package deal with Nick Caserio/Josh/Jimmy would be a real gut punch)
6. San Diego (has Rivers)

I really hope San Francisco raids the Packers front office. That would be awesome!

 

[goheels22002]

The Browns have #12 and #52. Adding those 2 would equal about the 7th pick on most charts.

Garoppolo for a 1st, a 4th, $1 million and a 20 year supply of urinal pucks imprinted with Roger Goodell's face for all the urinals at Gillette seems about right to me.

 

[Patsfanin Philly]

The conventional wisdom is that JG is getting traded this off season but what if it's wrong? What if Belichick has decided to hold on to him for one more year at low cost in case the unthinkable happens. They are in the proverbial catbird seat where they don't have to trade him unless someone blows them away, potentially draft weekend when a team realizes they may not get the QB they like or maybe none of the available QBs are worth it and they go Minnesota like and rush to overpay or get in a bidding war giving up RG3 type picks.
This plus side to holding him is that you give Brissett one more year to learn the system and Jimmy could step in if.........anything were to happen giving the Pats the luxury of 3 QBs...
The counter argument is that if you hold JG for one more year, you lose him to free agency. Unless they franchise him and then trade him. Obviously a trading partner would want to negotiate a long term deal before consummating the trade and the loser then would be Garrappolo because he would lose one year of big money, stuck on his rookie deal...The risk is you have lots of $$ tied up in QB position (Brady and a franchised Garrappolo) and teams know you then have to trade him so you lose some leverage that you now have.
The answer lies with BB and how long he thinks Brady performs at GOAT levels and whether Jimmy is his successor or Brissett and if the potential return on trading JG is worth the risk........
Conclusion- I don't have a clue......

 

[PatsDeb]

I don't want to speculate too far out into the future, but I am fairly confident that BB/TB12 will be better than JMcD/JG at lead for the next couple of years.
My conclusion is based on both BB and TB12 being in the conversation of GOAT at tbeir respective positions.
I am not ready to put Josh and Jimmy there yet.

I agree with you as long as both stay with the Pats but what about when either retires? Why set up another team to overtake us?

 

[OhExaulted1]

The pink hats are the people who jumped on the Pats bandwagon but don't know **** about football. Its more of a Red Sox fan reference.

And I agree that Kraft would veto a Brady trade. I just don't think it would come to that. Bill is not going to trade Tom.

I had a totally different idea what a pink hat was.

Pink hat-Urban dictionary:

When you bang a girl that is on her period while wearing a condom and then place the condom on her head when you're finished.

"Dude, I hooked up with a chick from the wedding last night. Gave her the pink hat!"