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CLICK HERE to Register for a free account and login for a smoother ad-free experience. It's easy, and only takes a few moments.In the "full pay for Cobbs on the practice squad thread" you said he couldn't make the 53 because he was a "freakin' UDFA" who had "no NFL experience" and that you were "disturbed" that others felt he had a shot.pats1 said:Hey, what have I been saying all week?
Zuma said:I don't know...somehow his 4.2 average just doesnt seem as bad as Evans' 2.7 ave.
OldEnglandPatriot said:Naked stats are soooo over-rated in football at times. For instance, it would have been pretty hard for Evans to have run for more than one yard when he was given the ball on the one-yard line.
It's also definitely harsh to judge a guy on a fumble; they happen to the best. But for me, Evans brings more to the party.
shmessy said:Evans brings more to the party???? He's a lousy blocker and Cobbs tonight made a ST tackle. Cobbs has already shown in the 4 games he's the better receiver and more productive runner.
No, Evans does NOT bring more to the party. He's a journeyman jag who's been around and will not improve any over the rest of his career. Cobbs is still growing in his potential.
Good points VJC! I think what people also fail to understand is that Mills will be handling FB duties...which could possibly make Evans expendable. Plus...if LOMO's knee is not ready by game 1...that will also help Cobbs chances...VJCPatriot said:Aaah no wonder you haven't been watching the whole preseason. Thus you don't know what the hoopla and debate is about. Well then let's do an impartial compilation of the preseason stats and see where Evans and Cobbs actually stand from a performance only point of view.
Attempts/Yards/Average/Longest Gain/Touchdowns
Game 1
Rushing
P.Cobbs 5 25 5.0 11 0
H.Evans 6 12 2.0 5 1
Receiving
P.Cobbs 3 80 26.7 57 1
Game 2
Rushing
H.Evans 5 28 5.6 12 0
P.Cobbs 8 26 3.3 5 0
Receiving
P. Cobbs 1 19 19 0
H. Evans 2 14 9 1
Game 3
Rushing
P.Cobbs 13 92 7.1 36 2
H.Evans 8 16 2.0 7 1
Receiving
P.Cobbs 1 1 1.0 1 0
H.Evans 1 8 8.0 8 0
Game 4
Rushing
P. Cobbs 12 45 3.75 11 1
H. Evans 12 34 2.83 9 1
Receiving
P. Cobbs 2 15 12 0
H. Evans 2 12 9 0
Just a moment as we tally up the totals. And I realize that 4 games is a small sample size but it is the best data we currently have.
Totals Rushing
P. Cobbs 38 188 4.95 36 3
H. Evans 31 90 2.90 12 3
Totals Receiving
P. Cobbs 7 115 16.43 57 1
H. Evans 5 34 6.8 9 0
And there you have it by the cold hard numbers.
Since I went to the trouble of compiling and adding up the stats I might as well give it a little analysis.
From what I see here my eyes did not deceive me. The numbers don't lie. Cobbs is by far the more explosive back whether he is running the football or catching it he has the chance to make the big play. This is a guy who can actually stretch a defense.
However if you're after a plodding goal line back that will rarely get more than 3 yards per run than Evans is your man. He can certainly punch it into the endzone eventually if you give him 3 or so chances in a row at it.
I know that the first Atlanta game probably skewed Cobbs numbers a little but it is surprising how dangerous he is in the passing game averaging over 16 yards per catch.
Finally Cobbs Longest Gain numbers again indicate how dangerous he can be on any given play. If I was looking to replace Faulk in the near future, and face it he isn't exactly a young buck anymore, this is the type of RB that I'd want.
As for Evans I like his toughness and his size, but his numbers just fail to excite me. I've seen what he can do, and he just doesn't have any wiggle or slither. He is the atypical 3 yards and a cloud of dust guy. And I think those guys are a dime a dozen in this league.
Go ahead and make your own judgments but those are the final numbers as this preseason comes to a close.
dryheat44 said:I respectfully disagree. Evans is a better blocker in the passing game. He's not great, but I'll bet he's better than Cobbs as a lead blocker. Evans made 3 ST tackles against Washington. How come you're not bringing those up? I also disagree that Cobbs is the better receiver. He can do more after the catch, true, but it looks to me that Evans has better hands. And yes, Cobbs has shown reasonably well in four pre-season games. Evans has shown reasonably well in regular-season games. He actually has a track record that counts, instead of trying to project one. And Cobbs appears to have fumbling problems.
Now, your point about Cobbs getting better over time is true. Frankly, though, I don't care about that. I want the RB who's going to do the most to help us win THIS year. To me, that's Evans, hands down.
shmessy said:Question, Dryheat: Can you tell me one thing that Evans does on the football field, just one thing, that could be rated as more than mediocre (JAG+, if you will)?
Personally, I see the Patriots losing NOTHING if they have to be forced to actually face a season (this season or 3 season hence) without Heath Evans. Somehow, I think they'd survive ok. Cobbs, meanwhile is Faulk injury insurance.
Thanks for putting it all in perspective. I still like Cobbs over Evans (having plenty of evidence of Evans ceiling), but think BB may go with 3 RBs again (Dillon-Maroney-Faulk) with Pass being cut outright, or maybe PUP.VJCPatriot said:Just a moment as we tally up the totals. And I realize that 4 games is a small sample size but it is the best data we currently have.
Totals Rushing
P. Cobbs 38 188 4.95 36 3
H. Evans 31 90 2.90 12 3
Totals Receiving
P. Cobbs 7 115 16.43 57 1
H. Evans 5 34 6.8 9 0
And there you have it by the cold hard numbers.
Since I went to the trouble of compiling and adding up the stats I might as well give it a little analysis.
From what I see here my eyes did not deceive me. The numbers don't lie. Cobbs is by far the more explosive back whether he is running the football or catching it he has the chance to make the big play. This is a guy who can actually stretch a defense.
However if you're after a plodding goal line back that will rarely get more than 3 yards per run than Evans is your man. He can certainly punch it into the endzone eventually if you give him 3 or so chances in a row at it.
I know that the first Atlanta game probably skewed Cobbs numbers a little but it is surprising how dangerous he is in the passing game averaging over 16 yards per catch.
Finally Cobbs Longest Gain numbers again indicate how dangerous he can be on any given play. If I was looking to replace Faulk in the near future, and face it he isn't exactly a young buck anymore, this is the type of RB that I'd want.
As for Evans I like his toughness and his size, but his numbers just fail to excite me. I've seen what he can do, and he just doesn't have any wiggle or slither. He is the atypical 3 yards and a cloud of dust guy. And I think those guys are a dime a dozen in this league.
Go ahead and make your own judgments but those are the final numbers as this preseason comes to a close.
Oswlek said:I find it somewhat amusing that the same people that want to string up Faulk by his gnads for his propensity to fumble are loudly backing Cobbs.
In 45 touches he has fumbled twice. That is a fumble for every 27.5 touches, which is not very good.
By comparison, Kevin Faulk fumbled once every 31.3 touches his first two (and clearly worst) seasons. Over the past three season, it has improved to once per 48.25 touches. This also is not great, not even all that good, but it's much better than Cobbs has done against mostly 2nd and 3rd teamers.
Oswlek said:I find it somewhat amusing that the same people that want to string up Faulk by his gnads for his propensity to fumble are loudly backing Cobbs.
In 45 touches he has fumbled twice. That is a fumble for every 27.5 touches, which is not very good.
By comparison, Kevin Faulk fumbled once every 31.3 touches his first two (and clearly worst) seasons. Over the past three season, it has improved to once per 48.25 touches. This also is not great, not even all that good, but it's much better than Cobbs has done against mostly 2nd and 3rd teamers.
shmessy said:Questions:
BTW, in response to Dryheat's solution that we would still have Cobbs if we put him on the PS, I'd say sure------he'll remain untouched by 31 other NFL teams if we PS him as much as a tube of lipstick in front of Tammy Faye Baker.