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  1. robertweathers

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    Massive oversight. My god.
     
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    Looking at the roster, it seems to be a wash at worst. Probably an improvement. Everyone of the back 7 returns. Upfront we bring in Bennett (15 TFL, 9 sacks), Pennell and lost Flowers (9 TFL, 7.5 sacks) and Clayborn (4 TFL, 2.5 sacks). Continuity on the back 7 and adding Bentley, Winovich, Dawson and Williams to this defense should make for an improvement. Also hope Wise can be a 7-8 sack DE with a bigger role.

    Overall it looks like a good unit and could still improve with another DT. I think we improve from the #7 scoring defense to the #3-#4 scoring defense. Maybe even the best like 2016.
     
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    Also, lets remember that our defense stepped up big time in the Play Offs. During the season, we had some bad days, especially in the front seven (Dolphins game for example)

    We have potential to be better, but as of now, i think we are marginally worse
     
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    After the draft, I believe the defense will be better than last year.

    Pennel should be an upgrade over Brown.

    Bennett has always been the better player to Flowers and I think he could give the Pats one more productive year to have us forget about Flowers. Flowers on the other hand, like most ex Pats, will end up in obscurity (but with a lot of money).

    I see JC Jackson improving from last year.

    Dawson should have a fire lit under him with Williams being drafted. Should be a good competition.

    Winovich should be another disrupter on the D-line and he plays violent from the highlights I’ve seen. I don’t see him going down the path of Jake Bequette or even Shawn (I skipped leg day) Crable.

    And it’s put up or shut up time for Derek Rivers as Winovich/Cowart or coming to take his job. Anything from him would be a bonus.

    Bentley and Sam will be added to the rotation of LB’s which will allow Van Noy and Hightower some breathers during games.
     
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    The smart answer: It's too early to say.
     
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    Small nitpick but Cowart is a DT and seems most physically similar to Malcom Brown, maybe lighter.
     
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    Nice analysis. I agree with almost all of your individual projections but I dont think the results are additive because several of the 'slight downgrades' are due to age so the likelihood of those players under performing in 2019 due to injury is much higher than the younger players on the roster.

    Take the secondary for example, three of the four starters will be 32 by game one. The likelihood that that unit makes it through the season without one or more players missing significant time is pretty slim so you have to assume a high likelihood that the reserves will be stepping up to fill in or possibly a scheme change to window dress the expected drop off in talent.

    I agree with your conclusion and I think your analysis is about as good as one can do at this point in the year but I also feel there is more risk this year due to age at some key positions.
     
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    There is more risk involved, I agree. Why I think it was smart to draft another CB.

    Injuries are 1 thing, just decline because of age another possible factor.
     
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    Gads. Yes obviously omitted by accident. He should be a bit of an upgrade over last year's Jackson. Great young CB. Good pick up.
     
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    I’m cautious here. Surprising rookies, particularly at corner, often take a step back in year 2.
     
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    EDGE:
    Bennett
    Wise
    Winovich
    Simon

    IDL:
    Guy
    Pennel
    Butler
    TBD

    LB:
    Hightower (also EDGE)
    Van Noy (also EDGE)
    Bentley
    Roberts
    Collins

    CB:
    Gilmore
    Jackson
    McCourty
    Jones
    Williams (also SS)

    S:
    McCourty
    Chung
    Harmon
     
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    Some drafts listed him as a DE. Either way, Rivers has Winovich competing for time.
     
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    This defense looks suspiciously similar to the defense that lost to the Lions in Detroit and the Dolphins in Miami last year. God help us all.
     
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    Hard to ignore the way Flores had them playing at the end of last year. The super bowl performance was an all time historic effort.
     
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    1) That's a solid 21, after we acquire a DT.
    2) Then, we have 3 STers: King, Ebner, and Brooks.
    3) The 25th can be a developmental player like Dawson or Obi, or a LT/STer like Calhoun or Sam.

     
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    You mean the defense that held 3 of the highest scoring teams in the league to 62 total points in the playoffs & won the SB?? Yep, God help us :rolleyes:
     
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    Can New England field their first top 10 DVOA defense since 2006?
     
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    I must say that the CB position has the best mix of quality veterans and early career guys that I can recall. There's going to be intense competition for the final roster spot. If Duke Dawson is healthy and shows what he can do that got him drafted, Belichick will head into 2019 with four or five good to excellent corners that feature some size to deal with all these big WRs that teams are throwing at them.

    With Collins return to push the young guys for a job, LB looks stronger than 2018. The only question mark on D is how they'll replace Flowers' production and versatility in the front seven. How I wish they'd had the cap room to lock in Flowers for a few years.
     
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