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  1. AndyJohnson

    AndyJohnson PatsFans.com Veteran PatsFans.com Supporter

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    I’ve reached the point where I pretty much scoff at the gloomy claims of adversity bringing down the patriots.
    There is pretty much nothing you can think of that this team hasn’t overcome and barely ever missed a beat.
    My overall opinion at this point regardless of the fear du jour is “it’s belichick, he will figure it out and we won’t be losing because of that”.
     
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    I note that all the players your have at risk are special teamers. Ebner, Slater and King are our top special teamers. King plays on over 60% of the special team reps.

    As you well know, Belichick loves his special teamers. In addition to the above, last year we had LB/STers Grigsby, McCallen and Humber. Crossen and Obi were our additional DB/STers, with 39 and 20 defensive reps all year respectively.

    BOTTOM LINE
    We had 8 players who were here to play special teams last year. The top 3 are back. 3 of the remaining 5 are gone. The open question is how many will Belichick keep. We posters almost always err on the low side.

    We have added Brooks, who I presume will replace at least one of Obi and Crossen.

     
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    SBLIII 2nd Team Getting Their First Start

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    Well sup at least Wise has made himself a solid rational guy...wish we could say the same for Rivers.:oops:
     
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    SBLIII 2nd Team Getting Their First Start

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    Rivers better step up this offseason or its good bye
     
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    PatsFan2 Veteran Starter w/Big Long Term Deal

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    Sometimes they can really turn it around but sometimes they don't either Rivers looked lost the few times I saw him.
     
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    Yes.
     
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    VectorPrime Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

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    Maybe not 2 but they’re pretty good as long as they don’t decide to play nothing but a soft zone against us.
     
  10. AndyJohnson

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    They are mediocre defensively. 16th in the metric that means the most. That’s not good.
     

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    I'm guessing that new ranking is predicated on their new LB Bush being the "missing piece". I'm not convinced it'll end up that way though, at least not this year.
     
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    Starters Comparison
    Pos - 2018 - 2019 - Verdict
    DE - Wise - Wise - Slight upgrade, because of experience
    DT - Guy - Guy - No change, added experience countered by more mileage on the tires
    DT - M.Brown - Pennel - Slight upgrade, as Brown was a bit of a disappointment
    DE - Flowers - Bennett - Slight downgrade, though it's very close
    LB - Hightower - Hightower - No change, assuming good health
    LB - Van Noy - Van Noy - No change
    LB - Roberts - Roberts - Slight upgrade, because of experience
    CB - Gilmore - Gilmore - No change, all-pro player in his prime
    S - Chung - Chung - Slight downgrade, as he's getting older
    S - D.McCourty - D.McCourty - Slight downgrade, as he's getting older
    CB - J.McCourty - J.McCourty - Slight downgrade, as he's getting older

    Reserves
    Pos - 2018 - 2019 - Verdict
    DL - Butler - Butler - Slight upgrade, because of experience
    DL - Grissom - Winovich - Major upgrade, on talent and motor
    DL - Shelton - Parry - No change, hard to see one being better than the other
    DL - Simon - Simon - No change
    DL - Rivers - Rivers - Slight upgrade, because of experience
    DL - Davis - Davis - Slight upgrade, because of experience
    DL - Kamalu - Cowart - No idea
    D - Grigsby - Calhoun - No idea
    LB - King - King - No change
    LB - Bentley (IR) - Bentley - Major upgrade, assuming good health
    LB - Sam - Sam - Slight upgrade, assuming good health
    CB - Rowe - Williams - Major upgrade, as Rowe just wasn't great and Williams can be
    CB - Crossen - Crossen - Slight upgrade, because of experience
    CB - J.Jones - J.Jones - Slight upgrade, because of experience
    CB - Dawson (IR) - Dawson - Slight upgrade, assuming good health
    S - Harmon - Harmon - Slight downgrade, as he's getting older
    S - Melifonwu - Melifonwu - Slight upgrade, because of experience

    You can see that basically I assume that if you're on the front end of the curve (i.e., before you reach your peak), you'll improve with experience, but if you're on the back end of the curve, you'll decline due to age and mileage. Someone like Guy is right at that point where the two probably counter each other. I assume that people like Bentley and Dawson will represent upgrades if only because they would be healthy, and a healthy Bentley is better than Bentley on IR. A few spots, I have no way of knowing or even really guessing.

    Obviously I'm spitballing here, but I see:

    3 major upgrades
    11 minor upgrades
    5 minor downgrades
    0 major downgrades
    8 no changes
    2 no ideas

    That to me would represent a pretty significant cumulative improvement from 2018 to 2019. Of course, who knows really, and injuries could play a big factor and such. But I think they have a chance to be very good on D, *especially* if Bennett still has enough in the tank and Winovich is the real deal.
     
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    Not to forget "Week 2: This is a 7-9 team, lets trade our players for assets."
     
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    If you elevate a defense from Mediocre to elite, almost the best in the nfl, based upon drafting a rookie lb, that is moronic.
     
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    BelichicksHoodie On the Game Day Roster

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    If one rookie is that good might as well put him in Canton before he's played a snap.
     
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    This D is gonna be good.
     
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    do you enjoy it?
     
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    TommyD4207 In the Starting Line-Up

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    Pittsburgh will be a dogshit defense in the secondary, just as it has been for the last decade.
     
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    Jackson???
     
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