NFL News Belichick not voted into the HOF

Mike the Brit said:

Nice compliment that the Pats' success is bringing the trolls back -- but this one is hopelessly bad at it. GFY you waste of space.

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JonBonesJones84 said:

So you don’t have a rebuttal against what I said other calling me a troll?

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1960Pats said:

Starting his career off here with a local writer calling him duplicitous pond scum didn't help.

I've always felt that Bill should have figured out a way to give fans more than grunts and snorts.

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SacPete1 said:

So this really states the obvious that the criteria for voting is up to the individual and in this case, he sympathized with the 3 seniors since this would likely be their last chance for induction.

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1960Pats said:

Starting his career off here with a local writer calling him duplicitous pond scum didn't help.

I've always felt that Bill should have figured out a way to give fans more than grunts and snorts.

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NovaScotiaPatsFan said:

I personally loved him more because he was a **** to the arrogant media. (And to be clear not all of the media is arrogant I'm talking about, the usual suspects we all know.)

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NovaScotiaPatsFan said:

I personally loved him more because he was a **** to the arrogant media. (And to be clear not all of the media is arrogant I'm talking about, the usual suspects we all know.)

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Dec54 said:

Out of interest are there any females on the committee. Or is it an all male enclave?

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sb1 said:

I remember Mary Kay Cabot joking about butting heads with Cleveland Bill back in the day. Don't know if that was enough to make her a no but you never know.

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upstater1 said:

If you go to Twitter, there's now a backlash against the backlash. Mike DeCourcy, Chris Broussard, Rob Parker, and really they are coming out of the woodwork with cheater allegations, including WR Brandon Stokely and even the Steelers WR coach in 2002, who somehow believes the Patriots were filming offensive signals!?!?!

People don't like to talk about Spygate and Deflategate, but that just lets the NFL's dominant story perpetuate.

I put this out to Zolak and Bertrand on 98.5. You need to address Spygate and Deflategate and set the record straight, because I listened to you today and it was clear you're laboring under a host of misconceptions.

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Mike the Brit said:

I think we ought to re-name some of these shenanigans.

I propose Filming-Openly-but-from-an-Unpermitted-Place-Gate and Ignorance-of-the-Ideal-Gas-Law-Gate. I'd add Stupidly-Filming-a-Documentary-During-a-Game-Gate. Then, of course, there were the numerous I-Can't-Believe-Belichick-Knew-Just-What-We-Were-Going-To-Do-Because-He's-a-Great-Coach-So-He-Must-Have-Been-Cheating-Gates.

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upstater1 said:

What amazes me is that these jokes haven't been forgotten or understood for what they were, or that some coaches haven't let some writers in on the joke, so now these idiocies are taken seriously by Hall of Fame voters.

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Dec54 said:

Out of interest are there any females on the committee. Or is it an all male enclave?

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Pape said:

three... Lisa Salters, Mary Kay Cabot, Charean Williams

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JMC00 said:

The "did nothing without Brady" argument is just dumb because if that's the case remove Landry, Walsh, Knoll and Shula from the HOF because they never did anything without HOF QBs.

-Landry never won a conference championship without Staubach and was 6-8 in the playoffs without Staubach and missed the playoffs 10 out of the 18 years in which he coached without Staubach as his QB.

-Walsh was 8-24 before Montana became Montana and only ever coached in the nfl with Montana on the roster. The year after he left the 49ers George Seifert won a SB as their coach.

-Knoll was 1-13 before Bradshaw and the second Bradshaw retired he never finished more than 2 games over .500 and only made the playoffs once.

-Shula majority of his career he had a HOF QB between Unitas in Baltimore ('63-'69) Griese ('70-'80) and Marino ('83-'95) in Miami and the guy really should get knocked for having Marino be his QB for 13 seasons and only getting to 3 AFCC and only winning 1.


and all those guys coached in an era which there was no free agency.

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Mike the Brit said:

Agree with everything except the word "amaze" -- I'm sad but completely unsurprised.

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upstater1 said:

Unless there's a radical change in the voting or the voting members like Polian, it is not a cinch that Belichick gets in next year.

I've been on enough committees to know that when there's blowback, the people voting one way do not revise their position, but instead they become ever more entrenched.

If Spygate is a reason for not voting him in, and even if you only wanted a one year punishment, all this blowback -- forcing people to defend their Spygate rationale -- ingrains it in the voter as purely logical and reasonable position. So, you might have gone in NOT voting for Belhcick THIS YEAR, but when you were exposed and had to defend yourself, you begin to see Spygate the way Baseball HOF voters see steroids.

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upstater1 said:

He gave me a lot more than grunts and snorts. He gave me 6 Super Bowls.

I paid no attention to any press conference.

I did tune into weekly rundown of plays which took him 15 minutes.

All this was much more than enough.

He did do TV outside of press conferences.

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1960Pats said:

I think what hurts Bill is his many losing seasons (8) without Brady. None of those other coaches had anywhere near as many losing seasons. The next closest is Reid at 3.

But he still should have been elected on his first try.

As a Pats fan I hope Whitclock's wrong about Kraft lobbying against Bill. Prior to seeing Kraft's hit piece on Bill I would have never believed that he'd stoop so low. Now I'm not so sure.

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