NFL News Belichick not voted into the HOF

yukon cornelius said:

does whitlock have an iota of credibility left?

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By credibility, do you mean delusion?

yukon cornelius said:

does whitlock have an iota of credibility left?

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I challenge you to show me a time when Jason Whitlock ever had any credibility.

JonBonesJones84 said:

I just don’t know how I really value him anymore. The two Giants super bowls he fumbled and the 2nd Eagles Super Bowl with the Malcolm Butler fiasco.

Is he truly deserving?

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As awful as those decisions were he is deserving to get in the HOF.

I always thought the -gates would make the committee engineer at least one voter to say no or abstain so he wouldn't be a unanimous first ballot selection. I expected that all along. That would send the same message that they're pretending to send now.

Denying him outright? It's clear this was political and it was personal.

TommyD4207 said:

I challenge you to show me a time when Jason Whitlock ever had any credibility.

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He is not wrong that Trotter and Borges on the Pro Football HOF voting committee is shocking.

JonBonesJones84 said:

I just don’t know how I really value him anymore. The two Giants super bowls he fumbled and the 2nd Eagles Super Bowl with the Malcolm Butler fiasco.

Is he truly deserving?

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In SB 42, he should not have gone for 4th and 13. Otherwise, how is he supposed to stop a cb from dropping a pick. Or, a one in a million helmet catch play from happening? The offense only put up 14 points and never changed their approach until it was too late.

How did he fumble the second Giants SB? That was not a good defense and yet they only gave up 21 points. With the weapons on offense, even with a hobbled Gronk, they should have been able to score more than 17.

Two SB's against the Giants with lethal offenses and could not reach 20 points once.

The Eagles SB--he completely botched. Agreed.

I wonder, then, if they are this petty about it, are they going to do the same to Brady?

Kasmir said:

Jason Whitlock believes Kraft engineered the exclusion of Belichick. Despicable if true.

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I don’t buy it. Any influence Kraft has with the committee, he’s using in getting himself in. He is t going to overplay his hand and say “oh by the way…. While you’re voting for me, don’t vote for this guy.

I think there's a classic rift exacerbated by the propagandistic trumping-up of all things anti-Patriot by the NFL in some kind of frustrated JETE fever dream.

There's inside vs. outside thinking.

Inside NE's fanbase, we're an incredibly successful single team, the first dynasty in what was supposed to be a dynasty-proof system. We did everything right. Then we got whacked for where in the stadium we put cameras - which turned into, in the public mind, this unimaginable surveillance and intel operation Bill learned how to do in Annapolis from frogmen and navy seals.

Where do you put the proportionality of what actually happened? Where do you put the League's purpose for its vendetta?

Around the 2007 timeframe, I and some others here asked a lot of the questions (mainly through links to publicly known information) about the issues.

We didn't get too far with an information push, but we at least gathered the info.

You can see a viewpoint close to what we arrived at here:


The timeline is insane, and it shows pretty much what the headline of the above article says -- not this gangster takeover of the league through "cheating."

Take a look in the linked article. A good lead in is where it refers to "the camera scandal--the first one." That was the JETE filming the Pats. It's a glimpse into how the league dealt with the JETE abuse of the camera policy.

But facts rather than torchbearing mob-mentality is the insider NE thinking.

I think these guys think they can just lay aside the greatest body of work of any head coach in the NFL because of allegations of "Cheating." Players and coaches have made slanderous allegations that they were the real champions, because they would have been the better team if NE didn't cheat. Well, you can't prove or disprove a counterfactual, except to demonstrate that what's been exploded into this dynasty-explaining story was practiced by other teams without any real concern by anyone.

It's gospel in "Outside thinking" that everything BB did comes with an asterisk and so on and so forth. Okay, maybe don't punish the players because deep down they know we ruled this league. But certainly whack Belichick.

I don't like the guy personally. I used to think he was magic, but that progressively lessened. Best coach in NFL history? I think that's intact, just judging by results. But in the "Was it Brady/Was it Belichick" debate, though I would have loved Brady to be proven wrong when we lost him and still had BB, well, we got the answer really.

They needed each other, but BB needed TFB more by the end.

Anyway, I don't think it's a mystery. I think if there are no "scandals" he's first ballot. And if there were no Patriots dominance, there would be no "scandals." The HOF comes with an asterisk...

* Induction is subject to rumor. innuendo. and snark, and is not a pure indicator of one's contribution to the sport. The gold jacket might as well be a Century 21 outfit with a cheap and meaningless shield sewn on.

He'll get in. They just had to do this to keep stoking the excuse machine as NE enters yet a third period of dominance.

The problem is the guy who is supposed to advocate for the Patriots hates the Patriots. That is why the best dynasty in the history of the NFL, spanning 2 decades, has so few members in the HOF.

uknepatsfan said:

I wonder, then, if they are this petty about it, are they going to do the same to Brady?

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Nope, Brady will get in on the first ballot.
Which will prove it has nothing do with so called scandals, but rather petty grudges for how BB operated and offended people that have votes. You can attribute those offenses to beating them, or not treating them with respect they felt deserved, but the bottom line is BB has enemies in the room, I highly doubt Brady does.

The "did nothing without Brady" argument is just dumb because if that's the case remove Landry, Walsh, Knoll and Shula from the HOF because they never did anything without HOF QBs.

-Landry never won a conference championship without Staubach and was 6-8 in the playoffs without Staubach and missed the playoffs 10 out of the 18 years in which he coached without Staubach as his QB.

-Walsh was 8-24 before Montana became Montana and only ever coached in the nfl with Montana on the roster. The year after he left the 49ers George Seifert won a SB as their coach.

-Knoll was 1-13 before Bradshaw and the second Bradshaw retired he never finished more than 2 games over .500 and only made the playoffs once.

-Shula majority of his career he had a HOF QB between Unitas in Baltimore ('63-'69) Griese ('70-'80) and Marino ('83-'95) in Miami and the guy really should get knocked for having Marino be his QB for 13 seasons and only getting to 3 AFCC and only winning 1.


and all those guys coached in an era which there was no free agency.

SVN said:

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“Mega Belichick Fan” Ron Borges talking about Belichicks legacy. Borges was probably throwing a party when he found out Belichick didn’t get in. Dude is a total hack. Always has been.

There is almost zero chance he voted for Bill. Too bad these votes aren’t public.

Evan Lazar made a good point that it's interesting that the information about Bill not getting in leaked so early. He thinks the HoF did it on purpose so that the whole debate would happen well ahead of the announcement of who did get in and the NFL Honors awards. So that it didn't completely overwhelm everything that comes out from those two events.

h0c2000 said:

BB's in good company, neither Paul Brown nor Vince Lombardi were selected on their initial eligibility.

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Bill will know that , of course, and take comfort in the historical parallel with those whom he respects.

uknepatsfan said:

I wonder, then, if they are this petty about it, are they going to do the same to Brady?

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Probably not after this blowback.

mike_usagisan said:

Evan Lazar made a good point that it's interesting that the information about Bill not getting in leaked so early. He thinks the HoF did it on purpose so that the whole debate would happen well ahead of the announcement of who did get in and the NFL Honors awards. So that it didn't completely overwhelm everything that comes out from those two events.

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Yes, good point but a painfully obvious one. Did anyone not already think that? OFC they'd want to get as out in front of it as possible (zero chance) to minimize it as 'radio row' fodder next week.

JonBonesJones84 said:

I just don’t know how I really value him anymore. The two Giants super bowls he fumbled and the 2nd Eagles Super Bowl with the Malcolm Butler fiasco.

Is he truly deserving?

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Nice compliment that the Pats' success is bringing the trolls back -- but this one is hopelessly bad at it. GFY you waste of space.

TommyD4207 said:

I challenge you to show me a time when Jason Whitlock ever had any credibility.

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he's a fat pos

Mike the Brit said:

Nice compliment that the Pats' success is bringing the trolls back -- but this one is hopelessly bad at it. GFY you waste of space.

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Ahh the troll paradox; Does one give the troll the backhander their d-baggery merits or deny them the attention cookie they crave?

maust said:

Yes, good point but a painfully obvious one. Did anyone not already think that? OFC they'd want to get as out in front of it as possible (zero chance) to minimize it as 'radio row' fodder next week.

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It'll be radio row fodder anyway.