OT: Official 2021 Tompa Bay Gronkaneers Thread

VectorPrime · Jun 2, 2021

I hope that brace goes back on for game time. He always wore one after 2008 and it likely saved him from a season ending injury in a training camp joint practice against the Bucs of all teams in 2013

Le Numéro Douze · Jun 2, 2021

VectorPrime said:
I hope that brace goes back on for game time. He always wore one after 2008 and it likely saved him from a season ending injury in a training camp joint practice against the Bucs of all teams in 2013

He most likely will.

Brady is a social media master. Him making a video without a brace was for marketing reasons.

Deus Irae · Jun 2, 2021

jujubee576 · Jun 3, 2021

Bruce did media yesterday or today. He’s always good for some interesting snippets.

Ice_Ice_Brady · Jun 3, 2021

jujubee576 said:
Bruce did media yesterday or today. He’s always good for some interesting snippets.

I dare someone to start a thread on this

Imagine the carnage on the main forum…lmfao

Deus Irae · Jun 3, 2021

Deus Irae · Jun 3, 2021

Deus Irae · Jun 3, 2021

Ice_Ice_Brady · Jun 3, 2021

Deus Irae said:

Brady clearly did not have his typical pocket mobility/sidestepping ability in 2020. It’s easy to think at the time it was by design, but this makes more sense.

Deus Irae · Jun 3, 2021

Ice_Ice_Brady said:
Brady clearly did not have his typical pocket mobility/sidestepping ability in 2020. It’s easy to think at the time it was by design, but this makes more sense.

Imagine being one of the "Brady is done" people from last year. They watched him take a 7-9 team and get it to 11 wins. They watched that team come to venerate him to the point that they would do just about anything for him. They then watched him take that team to a dominant Super Bowl win. And now they find out that Brady did all that with a knee injury that lingered all season long.

VectorPrime · Jun 3, 2021

People blame Brady for wanting Sanu but it was being injured on the first punt return that he ever attempted that messed up his ankle to a degree that we will probably never know.

Deus Irae · Jun 4, 2021

VectorPrime said:
People blame Brady for wanting Sanu but it was being injured on the first punt return that he ever attempted that messed up his ankle to a degree that we will probably never know.

It's also very convenient that Brady only gets the "credit" for Sanu, as if that's the only player Brady was ever allowed to choose, and it was 100% his call.

amfootball · Jun 4, 2021

Deus Irae said:
It's also very convenient that Brady only gets the "credit" for Sanu, as if that's the only player Brady was ever allowed to choose, and it was 100% his call.

No kidding. I would imagine Brady's first choice was Julio and Bill said no way. We only give you second rate receivers.

amfootball · Jun 4, 2021

Ice_Ice_Brady said:
Brady clearly did not have his typical pocket mobility/sidestepping ability in 2020. It’s easy to think at the time it was by design, but this makes more sense.

I actually thought he looked great in the pocket all year to be honest. He was especially spry late in the season into the post-season, I think because he had more command of the offense. I still can't believe his knee was as bad as they are saying. He never appeared to be favoring it that I could tell. But his command from the pocket and decision making was the best I had seen from him since 2017.

amfootball · Jun 4, 2021

VectorPrime said:
People blame Brady for wanting Sanu but it was being injured on the first punt return that he ever attempted that messed up his ankle to a degree that we will probably never know.

Special teams is an interesting topic. The Bucs has the worst kick coverage I believe of any team. Their punter was pretty awful. Succop was money all year. Bill has always prided himself on having a ton of starters play STs which leads to injuries. We saw that with Troy Brown, Amendola and Edelman and then Sanu which really hurt as we needed him to be our go to receiver in 2019. I never liked the philosophy for that reason even though STs are better with starters on them but injuries' can torpedo a season.

Ice_Ice_Brady · Jun 4, 2021

I wasn’t sure if this should go in the All Time QBs thread or in this one…so here’s a thought…maybe a bit rambling…

I clicked one of @Deus Irae ‘s Twitter links, and then I found this interview with Clyde Christensen, where he had referenced Brady talking the day after the SB about improvement.

Christensen also discussed the touchdown pass to Antonio Brown to end the first half, a play that arguably sealed the game, and Christensen confirmed it was the wrong route. But what stands out is how he describes the way Brady approaches the game and how he’s going to throw it if he sees it. He contrasts this with other QBs who are very systematic and never would have thrown that.

I think this is a very, very overlooked aspect of Brady‘s game and perhaps the intangible that separates him.

I’ve been commenting, going back years, that Brady is at his best during the end games of elimination games, when both teams have already used their whole playbooks and it comes down to execution. The KC AFCCG is the best example of this, the ballsiness and skill Brady has to throw into those tiny windows, despite defenses knowing where it’s going, with the season hanging in the balance. This goes way, way back though. Tuck Rule game needle threading, SB36 final drive. SB38 (insanely risky, yet perfect 20+ yard, pass to setup GW field goal.)

Is there any doubt Brady avoids getting route jumped by Malcolm Butler if given the same scenario and play call as Wilson? I have zero doubt. This is a real thing with Brady. Not luck or superior playcalling.

So I think that split second decision Brady makes to throw that ball to AB, despite the wrong route, is the best example of what sets him apart. It’s a combination of incredible, almost other-worldly concentration and fearless decision making, unafraid to be aggressive. Look at the way Manning, Brees, Rodgers become so risk-averse with the season hanging in the balance. You don’t see them attempt high-risk passes. It’s always that ”the plays weren’t there” but they often were. The easy plays weren’t there. The tough plays are always there.

So here’s my question: how many other quarterbacks in the NFL would throw that pass, in that situation, to a receiver who ran the wrong route, covered by an all-pro safety? How many of his peers would have adjusted and thrown that pass on the money? Any?

Because we hear a lot about how Brady is more of a steady Eddy who doesn’t make mistakes, but it’s so much more than that. He makes plays that others, even elite ones, due to some fear of risk and under tremendous pressure, cannot make.

Deus Irae · Jun 4, 2021

Ice_Ice_Brady said:
... Because we hear a lot about how Brady is more of a steady Eddy who doesn’t make mistakes, but it’s so much more than that. He makes plays that others, even elite ones, due to some fear of risk and under tremendous pressure, cannot make.

And I think it actually gets underplayed, in part, because of his consistent greatness. For example, TFB is 2nd in NFL history (since 1950, which is PFR's cutoff for the stat), right behind Manning and ahead of Brees and Roethlisberger, with Unitas coming in after that. "So what?", some people will ask. Well, the so what is this :

Peyton (43): 186-79
Brady (39): 230-69
Brees (36): 172-114
Roethlisberger (35): 156-74-1
Unitas (34): 118-63-4

NFL Fourth Quarter Comebacks Career Leaders (since 1960)

I'll leave that for y'all to peruse, enjoy, and maybe even delve into.

amfootball · Jun 4, 2021

Ice_Ice_Brady said:
I wasn’t sure if this should go in the All Time QBs thread or in this one…so here’s a thought…maybe a bit rambling…

I clicked one of @Deus Irae ‘s Twitter links, and then I found this interview with Clyde Christensen, where he had referenced Brady talking the day after the SB about improvement.

Christensen also discussed the touchdown pass to Antonio Brown to end the first half, a play that arguably sealed the game, and Christensen confirmed it was the wrong route. But what stands out is how he describes the way Brady approaches the game and how he’s going to throw it if he sees it. He contrasts this with other QBs who are very systematic and never would have thrown that.

I think this is a very, very overlooked aspect of Brady‘s game and perhaps the intangible that separates him.

I’ve been commenting, going back years, that Brady is at his best during the end games of elimination games, when both teams have already used their whole playbooks and it comes down to execution. The KC AFCCG is the best example of this, the ballsiness and skill Brady has to throw into those tiny windows, despite defenses knowing where it’s going, with the season hanging in the balance. This goes way, way back though. Tuck Rule game needle threading, SB36 final drive. SB38 (insanely risky, yet perfect 20+ yard, pass to setup GW field goal.)

Is there any doubt Brady avoids getting route jumped by Malcolm Butler if given the same scenario and play call as Wilson? I have zero doubt. This is a real thing with Brady. Not luck or superior playcalling.

So I think that split second decision Brady makes to throw that ball to AB, despite the wrong route, is the best example of what sets him apart. It’s a combination of incredible, almost other-worldly concentration and fearless decision making, unafraid to be aggressive. Look at the way Manning, Brees, Rodgers become so risk-averse with the season hanging in the balance. You don’t see them attempt high-risk passes. It’s always that ”the plays weren’t there” but they often were. The easy plays weren’t there. The tough plays are always there.

So here’s my question: how many other quarterbacks in the NFL would throw that pass, in that situation, to a receiver who ran the wrong route, covered by an all-pro safety? How many of his peers would have adjusted and thrown that pass on the money? Any?

Because we hear a lot about how Brady is more of a steady Eddy who doesn’t make mistakes, but it’s so much more than that. He makes plays that others, even elite ones, due to some fear of risk and under tremendous pressure, cannot make.

Really great thoughts here. To answer your question, I am not sure any other QB makes that throw to Brown in that spot. I think Brady has an innate ability to sense where his receivers are going and what they are thinking. His preparation is not just Xs and Os but knowing his guys body language and what they see on a given play, coverage, etc. But I also think he does rise to pressure situations and his vision gets better, his heart slows down while others speed up (Manning, Rodgers), his belief in what he is seeing and arm ability goes off the chart. This is why he is clutch. So many look at is luck or play calling or reading a defense but it is so much more. Brady checks all those boxes which is why he makes extraordinary plays look so ordinary. The great ones always do that I suppose.

BTW, I could be wrong about this but I don't believe Brown ran the wrong route. He improvised because the out route to the far side of the end zone was covered by the DB. He quickly adjusts and scats back toward the middle because he had sold the DB that he was going to the far side. I think he and Brady read it the same way as if Brown continues his route, Brady does not throw it to him because Brady can see the leverage the DB had to the outside but once AB jukes back inside, Brady rifles it to him low where only he can get it. I think it was a matter of two great players making a great play.

It is a fun topic to think about. Thanks for your rambling.

VectorPrime · Jun 4, 2021

It’ll never not be hilarious to watch Rodgers go out of his way to protect his QB rating at all costs.

sb1 · Jun 7, 2021

Bucs give Bruce Arians, Jason Licht new contracts - ProFootballTalk (nbcsports.com)

Brady's presence completely changed that team in just about every way and for the better. They owe him those contracts

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