Patriots' Kaczur arrested for illegal possession of painkillers

[PatriotsReign]

yes. Addiction is a disease. It is one you can chose not to get by never trying drugs or alcohol. Not the same as some little kid with cancer.

You are actually correct here. The only problem is that people don't know if they are predisposed or not. So most just assume they are not.

But one must take a drink or drug to become addicted. Alcoholism is more like getting AIDS. Some people may take the risk and say "I won't get it" and choose to have unsafe sex. so there is some choice in getting AIDS through sex. But once you have it, it doesn't really matter "how" you got it, does it?

The first time I drank, I blacked out. I know today I was an "instant alcoholic" just waiting for someone to add alcohol. I don't feel cheated or upset than I'm an alcoholic. I'm actually very grateful. It's like being a cancer survivor. I came very close to dying and didn't care if I did.

Now there aren't enough hours in a day!

 

[IcyPatriot]

Also, once someone is an addict/alcoholic, they are for life. I haven't had a drink or drug for 19 years, but I'm STILL an addict and alcoholic. It's a disease I'll have to live with until the day I die. Will power is of no use to an addict. If you were born with the genetic predisposition to addiction, you'd be an addict my friend. Plain and simple.

If I pick up a drink today, I'll either be in a detox or dead very quickly. How do I know that? Because millions of addict who have stopped for a period of time somehow believe they are cured and decide to drink again and they have died. There are rare cases of alcoholics who have stopped and after 10 or 20 years start drinking again and are able to do so. But they are never the same as "normal" drinkers because they have to consciously control their drinking.

If someone is "controlling" their drinking, then it's already out of control. Normal drinkers don't have to control their drinking.

It has been scientifically proven through genetic research, yet you still choose not to believe it. I can tell with surety that I have as much control & strength, good morals and character as you, but I became an alcoholic and you did not.

Addiction is one those rare topics that people who know nothing about it think they can form an intellegent opinion. But the fact is, that's impossible on any topic. Especially this one.

Well said and right ... I always thought I understood it also and later learned how wrong I was. In terms of alchoholics these people can't use mouthwash or even cough medicine with alchohol in it without risking a relapse of their drinking problem.

When I first heard the story of Kazur my initial reaction was why didn't he just take the pills that were in view of the officer. Perhaps he did not want to get caught speeding but my guess is he wanted help to control something he was powerless to control.

Alchoholism, smoking, drug dependancy, gambling, sexual hyperactivity just some of the dependancy diseases some of us have, some of us are predisposed to, and some are lucky not to have.

BTW ... while we're on the topic ... some people also have an addiction to the Patriots and possible football itself. While not probably harmfull the addiction to the team serves a craving that the brain needs either emotionally or chemically such as in adrenaline dependancy. To some this may seem foolish .. but it's not. The human brain controls the body .. even though we would like to think otherwise.

An entire topic to huge to cover here in the forum. In the meantime I'm on the cut Kaczur some slack side ... he'll pay for his mistake and doesn't need the public to add to his problem. Hopefully he becomes a stronger person when all is said and done ... maybe even a better RT for the Patriots ...

 

[Frezo]

Oxycontin is not a party drug period. Neither is heroin. I've already told you this. Social people don't take oxycontin or heroin to party. cocaine or xctacy, yes.

It's like saying someone bought sleeping pills to a party.

No. Oxy is a big party drug. You're just wrong. In fact meth in your oxy is like whisky in your coffee.

 

[Fencer]

I've never understood how addicts can tolerate that much of the stuff.

I've taken Percodan/Percocet on and off for 25 years or so (prescribed). I still only take half a tablet at a time, and never more than 2 total tablets per day. And I'm not tiny (6', 190).

If he was taking 100 pills every few days or whatever, his mental workings must have been significantly affected. I sometimes get a bit high just on what I take (which is my body telling me "You wimp, you didn't really need that dose).

 

[PatriotsReign]

No. Oxy is a big party drug. You're just wrong. In fact meth in your oxy is like whisky in your coffee.

Hhhmmm...so if you mix meth with oxy you'll just be normal, right? I guess I'll have to take your word for it since I just know oxy just about puts the user to sleep like heroin.

Meth plus oxy sounds like a pretty good risk for death...some party!

 

[PatriotsReign]

I've never understood how addicts can tolerate that much of the stuff.

I've taken Percodan/Percocet on and off for 25 years or so (prescribed). I still only take half a tablet at a time, and never more than 2 total tablets per day. And I'm not tiny (6', 190).

If he was taking 100 pills every few days or whatever, his mental workings must have been significantly affected. I sometimes get a bit high just on what I take (which is my body telling me "You wimp, you didn't really need that dose).

You're obviously a normal, healthy man. Your attitude also reflects a stable attitude (non-addictive) toward prescription drugs.

I had an operation on one of my "boys" a couple of years ago and had to take some vicodin. It scared the crap out of me. I was out of it for 3 days and could easily have gotten used to it. thankfully, I recovered quickly!

I am sometimes amazed at the quantities of alcohol and drugs I used to take. Especially at the end of my drinking/drugging days. My favorite was some coke & a ton of beer. I liked the coke cause I could drink for 12-24 hours straight. but if I stopped, the hangovers lasted 2-3 days...which is why I rarely stopped.

Makes me ill thinking about it.

 

[Patjew]

Oxycontin is not a party drug period. Neither is heroin. I've already told you this. Social people don't take oxycontin or heroin to party. cocaine or xctacy, yes.

It's like saying someone bought sleeping pills to a party.

I've seen heroin at parties.

Though admitedly they were pretty crappy parties.

 

[cmasspatsfan]

I met a guy at my doctors office that was addicted to percs and was taking 100 per day, his wife was also addicted and was taking 30 per day. Yes, you can build a tolerance to a high amount and not die. The doctor confirmed their story.
I also had a close friend that went into rehab, she was taking in excess of 30 percs per day, no problem, I worked with her for years and never knew.
Glad to say, her treatment was succesful and she no longer takes drugs.

 

[PatriotsReign]

I've seen heroin at parties.

Though admitedly they were pretty crappy parties.

And I bet the users weren't too sociable either. Don't they just nod off constantly? Like in the middle of a conversation!

My point was that neither drug is the type people take to be sociable. Also, just because these drugs are "at" parties doesn't make them party drugs. A bunch of druggies hanging at a house on oxy or heroin isn't really a party. At least not a lively party where people gather to be sociable and dance, etc.

Hey, I've gone to parties and hung in one little bedroom doing coke all night too. But I wouldn't consider what happened in that room a party. Locked doors and paranoia

 

[Patjew]

You're obviously a normal, healthy man. Your attitude also reflects a stable attitude (non-addictive) toward prescription drugs.

I had an operation on one of my "boys" a couple of years ago and had to take some vicodin. It scared the crap out of me. I was out of it for 3 days and could easily have gotten used to it. thankfully, I recovered quickly!

I am sometimes amazed at the quantities of alcohol and drugs I used to take. Especially at the end of my drinking/drugging days. My favorite was some coke & a ton of beer. I liked the coke cause I could drink for 12-24 hours straight. but if I stopped, the hangovers lasted 2-3 days...which is why I rarely stopped.

Makes me ill thinking about it.

Wow, that is really something. Your honesty is refreshing.

 

[Patjew]

And I bet the users weren't too sociable either. Don't they just nod off constantly? Like in the middle of a conversation!

Yeah, the whole scene is gross.

My point was that neither drug is the type people take to be sociable. Also, just because these drugs are "at" parties doesn't make them party drugs. A bunch of druggies hanging at a house on oxy or heroin isn't really a party. At least not a lively party where people gather to be sociable and dance, etc.

Hey, I've gone to parties and hung in one little bedroom doing coke all night too. But I wouldn't consider what happened in that room a party. Locked doors and paranoia

I always fely like people on smack were lame, people on coke were annoying.

Me on beer? Charming and handsome.

 

[PatriotsReign]

Wow, that is really something. Your honesty is refreshing.

Anyone in recovery is brutally honest about their old drinking days. We talk about it so we never, ever forget how bad it was.

I guess I could have left out the comments about my operation ...maybe too honest there

 

[Deus Irae]

You are actually correct here. The only problem is that people don't know if they are predisposed or not. So most just assume they are not.

But one must take a drink or drug to become addicted. Alcoholism is more like getting AIDS. Some people may take the risk and say "I won't get it" and choose to have unsafe sex. so there is some choice in getting AIDS through sex. But once you have it, it doesn't really matter "how" you got it, does it?

The first time I drank, I blacked out. I know today I was an "instant alcoholic" just waiting for someone to add alcohol. I don't feel cheated or upset than I'm an alcoholic. I'm actually very grateful. It's like being a cancer survivor. I came very close to dying and didn't care if I did.

Now there aren't enough hours in a day!

Predisposition is not a disease, and calling people out because the AMA labels something like addiction a disease is a bit off in this case. Here is a quick summation of the situation, without any of my editorializing:

http://www.myaddiction.com/education/articles/addiction_disease.html

 

[PatriotsReign]

Yeah, the whole scene is gross.



I always fely like people on smack were lame, people on coke were annoying.

Me on beer? Charming and handsome.

LMAO! You have a way with honesty yourself PJ! You surely don't beat around the bush and get right to your point.

Yes, I was (and still am) one of those annoying ones!

 

[Patjew]

LMAO! You have a way with honesty yourself PJ! You surely don't beat around the bush and get right to your point.

Yes, I was (and still am) one of those annoying ones!

I am addicted to being jerky.

Seriously, though, I've been around enough users in my time to form some judgements. I just came to despise those scenes (but not the people).

Anyway, it was the hyper coke users that annoyed me, not the paranoid ones.

 

[PatsfanGlo]

Let me present a novel thought to all who love to judge someone who has a substance abuse problem. PatsfanGlo appears to be somewhat embaressed by this news on Kaczur even though a person with a substance abuse problem is nothing to be embaressed about.

If your brother or son came to you with a drug problem, would you be embaresssed? If your answer is yes, then you don't have a clue.

Never have I stated that I was embarassed by Nick Kaczur. I actually said we should 'feel for this guy'. May be I should have been more specific and said 'My beef is with timing of these crap that media seem to spew out whenever negative Pats news are not around'. I personally know people with addiciton problem and never have I ever judged their situation nor I feel embarassed for them. For you to conclude that I am embarassed about my team because guy playing his heart out for team I root for from one damn sentence is ridiculous. I am Patriots fan and that will never change. I'm don't like the fact that it seems every day I hear negative crap about team I root for but that does not effect how I feel about my team. I'm sure this is how most of you feel. For you to jump on my throat based on one damn paragraph while it is clear that you never read full post, I say this to you. Just because you are so damn eager to make more posts and don't bother to read other people's posts, and quick to call names, that makes you a better fan? Get a clue hot head.

 

[PatriotsReign]

Predisposition is not a disease, and calling people out because the AMA labels something like addiction a disease is a bit off in this case. Here is a quick summation of the situation, without any of my editorializing:

http://www.myaddiction.com/education/articles/addiction_disease.html

The site you linked does not say addiction is not a disease and backs up my statement about the AMA.

You can have your opinion on the matter as I can surely find an equal number of sites that say that addiction is a disease. So, forgive me if I sound arrogant, but I am an expert on this topic and all you know is what you read on that site.

From your link;

Conclusion

There is a general agreement—albeit slim—that at some point, an addict loses the ability to control his urge or desire to use drugs. What happens in the time leading up to this is the debate’s true battleground featuring a complex hive of factors, not all of them easily proven or disproved. The foundation of the medical community is on the scientific method, on research and clinical trials; it can’t rely on anecdotal evidence. br>
Thus if changing the names of government research institutes to reflect addiction as a disease means more resources will be applied towards finding effective treatment options for addicts, it seems like an unimpeachable step in the right direction.

Also from your link;

What is Addiction?

Addiction is not

-A moral issue
-A simple character defect, such as being weak, or selfish, or irresponsible
-A lack of will power

 

[Frezo]

Hhhmmm...so if you mix meth with oxy you'll just be normal, right? I guess I'll have to take your word for it since I just know oxy just about puts the user to sleep like heroin.

Meth plus oxy sounds like a pretty good risk for death...some party!

It sure is. It can put someone 20 breaths away from gone. The stuff is dangerous.

 

[PatriotsReign]

Never have I stated that I was embarassed by Nick Kaczur. I actually said we should 'feel for this guy'. May be I should have been more specific and said 'My beef is with timing of these crap that media seem to spew out whenever negative Pats news are not around'. I had friends with addiction problems and never have I been embarassed about those facts. Patriots is my team and I'm to say I am their fan. I could care less about what media hacks and trolls from other teams think about Pats but I do wish these nonsense to stop. May be you should get a clue and read a full damn post before jumping on someone's throat.

I apologize PatsfanGlo. I may have confused your comments with the many members I have been debating.

Although I don't believe I "jumped down your throat"...I'm not that kind of guy!

 

[Deus Irae]

The site you linked does not say addiction is not a disease and backs up my statement about the AMA.

You can have your opinion on the matter as I can surely find an equal number of sites that say that addiction is a disease. So, forgive me if I sound arrogant, but I am an expert on this topic and all you know is what you read on that site.

From your link;

Conclusion

There is a general agreement—albeit slim—that at some point, an addict loses the ability to control his urge or desire to use drugs. What happens in the time leading up to this is the debate’s true battleground featuring a complex hive of factors, not all of them easily proven or disproved. The foundation of the medical community is on the scientific method, on research and clinical trials; it can’t rely on anecdotal evidence. br>
Thus if changing the names of government research institutes to reflect addiction as a disease means more resources will be applied towards finding effective treatment options for addicts, it seems like an unimpeachable step in the right direction.

1.) I didn't give my opinion about addiction, I simply noted that predisposition is not a disease
2.) The government is not uniform about classifying addiction as a disease
3.) I was merely pointing out that the AMA claiming addiction is a disease does not somehow make it a universal holding in this country. The AMA has held the position that alcohol is a disease for only about 50 years, or less than 1/3 of its existence, despite the notion having been around since the 1700's, and AA had been lobbying for that classification well before the AMA classified it as such.
4.) An important reason behind the classification of addictions as a disease is the ability to get insurance to pay for the 'recovery' .