Patriots' Kaczur arrested for illegal possession of painkillers

[PatsfanGlo]

While I frown upon use of illegal drugs or illegal use of prescrption drug even, you have to feel for the guy. Kaczur was one of the most injured Patriots player and I'm sure he played through countless untold injuries just to fight for his spot on the team. It probably didn't help that he wasn't the media darling Brett Farve or the fact that he was involved in police sting but cases like his be met with support in my opinion. He wasn't found coked up to his head like Cowboys of 90s nor was he found using steroid to enhance his performance. He was taking prescription drug most likely to endure through his pain to stay in very competitive RT spot on very good team. Of course, we still don't know exactly what took place nor should this kind of behaviors condoned but it wasn't HGH, steroid or drugs. I really wish him the best in the future. I'm just ticked that timing on this type of news couldn't have been worse for Pats.

 

[Patslifer]

While I frown upon use of illegal drugs or illegal use of prescrption drug even, you have to feel for the guy. Kaczur was one of the most injured Patriots player and I'm sure he played through countless untold injuries just to fight for his spot on the team. It probably didn't help that he wasn't the media darling Brett Farve or the fact that he was involved in police sting but cases like his be met with support in my opinion. He wasn't found coked up to his head like Cowboys of 90s nor was he found using steroid to enhance his performance. He was taking prescription drug most likely to endure through his pain to stay in very competitive RT spot on very good team. Of course, we still don't know exactly what took place nor should this kind of behaviors condoned but it wasn't HGH, steroid or drugs. I really wish him the best in the future. I'm just ticked that timing on this type of news couldn't have been worse for Pats.

Why, better to get all this garbage out of the way BEFORE the season starts.

 

[jczxohn1]

Let me give you some advice BadMo, you can't have an opinion on something you know nothing about.

There is never a time in the process of becoming an alcoholic where we think "wow, look at the signs, I should get some help"...NEVER!

We typically have those thought when it's too late and we've already become addicted. There is no consious decision making in becoming addicted.

I know that for a fact & you don't.

In fact, that silent, secret acknowledgement of addiction is often used as an excuse to drink or drug, until the pain of loss becomes so great that something must be done about it. We don't get straight from the shame, it's always the pain.

 

[PatsfanGlo]

Why, better to get all this garbage out of the way BEFORE the season starts.

My beef is that Pats just can't seem to stay out of negative news. When Cameragate crap was about to die down, it was illegal practice of IR players. And when that crap was becoming yesterday's news, this crap is on news. Those hacks at EPSN must love this.

 

[jbb9s]

My beef is that Pats just can't seem to stay out of negative news. When Cameragate crap was about to die down, it was illegal practice of IR players. And when that crap was becoming yesterday's news, this crap is on news. Those hacks at EPSN must love this.

This ain't negative news. Negative news is when its reported one of your players is rolling into Lil' Kim concerts. Thats just flat embarrassing.

 

[PatriotsReign]

Addiction is a "disease" because American's love to make excuses for the lowest common denominator, in this case a scummy junkie.

I also love the "tons of people in the NFL use these drugs" excuse. I thought it may have gotten old after the videotaping, but nope. Patriots apologists who think no one on the team can do any wrong will continue to trot it out. It's cute, if also a bit pathetic and sad.

Oh well, hopefully the tattle tale junkie will still get punished for breaking the law and league rules.

So, if your brother,sister uncle, mom or dad is an alky, then they're the lowest common denominator? And they're scummy alcoholics.

Let us all be reminded that drug addiction is the exact same thing as alcohol addiction. Since alcohol is classified as a drug.

This person is just another example of someone who believes they have the right to judge while knowing nothing about anything.

 

[PatriotsReign]

My beef is that Pats just can't seem to stay out of negative news. When Cameragate crap was about to die down, it was illegal practice of IR players. And when that crap was becoming yesterday's news, this crap is on news. Those hacks at EPSN must love this.

Let me present a novel thought to all who love to judge someone who has a substance abuse problem. PatsfanGlo appears to be somewhat embaressed by this news on Kaczur even though a person with a substance abuse problem is nothing to be embaressed about.

If your brother or son came to you with a drug problem, would you be embaresssed? If your answer is yes, then you don't have a clue.

 

[PatriotsReign]

In fact, that silent, secret acknowledgement of addiction is often used as an excuse to drink or drug, until the pain of loss becomes so great that something must be done about it. We don't get straight from the shame, it's always the pain.

Amen! There is no shame in being addicted. Is there any shame in getting cancer? They are both diseases.

The only shame is knowing you have a problem and choosing to do nothing about it.

 

[PatriotsReign]

While I frown upon use of illegal drugs or illegal use of prescrption drug even, you have to feel for the guy. Kaczur was one of the most injured Patriots player and I'm sure he played through countless untold injuries just to fight for his spot on the team. It probably didn't help that he wasn't the media darling Brett Farve or the fact that he was involved in police sting but cases like his be met with support in my opinion. He wasn't found coked up to his head like Cowboys of 90s nor was he found using steroid to enhance his performance. He was taking prescription drug most likely to endure through his pain to stay in very competitive RT spot on very good team. Of course, we still don't know exactly what took place nor should this kind of behaviors condoned but it wasn't HGH, steroid or drugs. I really wish him the best in the future. I'm just ticked that timing on this type of news couldn't have been worse for Pats.

I agree with your comments here. I'm willing to bet the house Kaczur is getting the full support of his teammates and the Patriots staff as long as he's being honest about his addiction.

Those guys know the pain they endure and they can surely relate to his plight. Have you ever seen the specials on the "old-timers" who are almost crippled from playing in the NFL? They sacrifice their bodies more than any other athlete from other sports.

 

[Zeke_Mowatt]

Psshhh, haven't you been paying attention to KontradictioN? Those "old timers" are just pain junkies, they're scum. They should have gotten out of the game earlier, before their pain became horrible and crippling - it's obvious they stayed with the game because of their pathetic addiction to the pain. We should have no sympathy for their plight, they brought it on themselves. Sheesh, you must be an idiot not to get that. Scummy pain junkies!

Those guys know the pain they endure and they can surely relate to his plight. Have you ever seen the specials on the "old-timers" who are almost crippled from playing in the NFL? They sacrifice their bodies more than any other athlete from other sports.

 

[PatriotsReign]

One thing I'm seeing here is that you are assuming some things. You seem to be assuming the Kaczur is an addict. He could be straight and running pills to Boston to pay off an old drug debt, or even a different illegal debt. You are also assuming that if he is an addict that he has a genetic propensity towards addiction. Maybe he simply partied so hard and so long that he became addicted and chose to ignore any signs and he doesn't have that gene. I think it's safe to say that not every addict has that gene, and that not every person with that gene becomes an addict. All we really have are the facts. He was busted with oxy and cut a deal. That's all we know and it isn't even written in stone that he cut a deal. I just hope everything works out well for him and the Pats.

BTW...this thread will probably be part of the next release of Grand Theft Auto.

First, I doubt Nick could have a debt so big he couldn't afford to pay it off himself. he had 100 pills on him when arrested and that wouldn't generate squat to pay off a debt.

Second, only "real" addicts with the gene would risk a multi-million dollar professional football career and become addicted. These types lack the ability to think rationally and weigh the consequences.

When considering the fact that what he had wasn't to make money, then it's only logical the pills were for him.

Finally, once someone becomes addicted, it doesn't matter whether you were predisposed with the genetic makeup or not, does it?

BTW, no one buys 100 oxycontins to "party". Just like no one buys 100 bags of heroin to party. The last thing someone on either one wants to do is party.

The only drug users who buy drugs to party are the casual users who may or may not become full addicts.

 

[PatriotsReign]

Psshhh, haven't you been paying attention to KontradictioN? Those "old timers" are just pain junkies, they're scum. They should have gotten out of the game earlier, before their pain became horrible and crippling - it's obvious they stayed with the game because of their pathetic addiction to the pain. We should have no sympathy for their plight, they brought it on themselves. Sheesh, you must be an idiot not to get that. Scummy pain junkies!

Zeke! You're right brother! Shame on me!

You know, the other addiction we haven't even discussed is the addiction to making a boatload of money and only having to work for 10-15 years. just imagine what most people would do to stay in such a career!

hell, I'd do some pretty stupid things to stay at a job that pays me $5 mill a year. Damn, in 10 years, that's $50Mill!! Even if 10 years got me $25 mill I'd do some crazy things not to have to get a "regular" job.

Then there's the various addictions of comradery, celebrity...and the babes...OH THE BABES! Talk about tough addictions!

 

[BadMoFo]

Man, seriously enough with the excuses for the guy. You automatically label him an addict without the ability to control himself because he had some pills on him. Why do you insist? That's right, we know.

Tell me this, when someone kills an innocent mother of two during a botched robbery attempt because they are trying to get money to support their heroin habit, do you feel sorry? I say fry them, and I think most would agree.

 

[PatriotsReign]

Man, seriously enough with the excuses for the guy. You automatically label him an addict without the ability to control himself because he had some pills on him. Why do you insist? That's right, we know.

Tell me this, when someone kills an innocent mother of two during a botched robbery attempt because they are trying to get money to support their heroin habit, do you feel sorry? I say fry them, and I think most would agree.

Why do I insist? Because I know, that's why. No one buys 100 oxycontin pills for themself and is NOT an addict. Do you think if he was caught with 100 bags of heroin, he would possibly NOT be an addict? They are almost identical drugs in case you didn't know. So, I don't think that takes rocket science BadMo.

Although I believe you can't "blame" someone for being addicted, I believe they should be held accountable for any criminal activity.

If they commit murder, they should be treated like any other murderer. Criminals are criminals, period. That is what I believe. We don't have to get into a death penalty debate here, so I'll just leave that alone.

BTW, thanks again for apologizing BadMo!

 

[BadMoFo]

By the way, I thought it was pretty damn ironic to see another news story about the Patriots and a recording device. Wierder yet, no jokes about that. Our enemies are slipping.

 

[ALP]

"Kontra, someone needs to educate you on addiction.

When someone becomes an addict (or alcoholic) it is not due to a character weakness or flaw. It is a sickness...PERIOD. When people become addicts, they lose there ability to choose whether to take a pill/line/drink.

It is NOT their fault buddy. You need to accept that as fact. Look it up in the American Medical Association's book on disease and you'll find addiction is listed under "disease". That makes it fact, not my opinion."

that, i have to disagree with very vehementley

if it is a sickness, how can some people rid themselves of it? of this sickness/addiction? with no external factor needed? the medical association may call it a disease, but what is the defenition of disease?

a disordered or incorrectly functioning organ, part, structure, or system of the body resulting from the effect of genetic or developmental errors, infection, poisons, nutritional deficiency or imbalance, toxicity, or unfavorable environmental factors; illness; sickness; ailment.

cancer is a disease, it does not dissapper if a person had had enough of it
smoking, alcohol, and drugs however can disapper all of a sudden...

an addiction to something like the above represents either misinformation, or a weak will

( i am sorry for the above wording if this is an emotinal topic for you)

 

[Frezo]

First, I doubt Nick could have a debt so big he couldn't afford to pay it off himself. he had 100 pills on him when arrested and that wouldn't generate squat to pay off a debt.

Second, only "real" addicts with the gene would risk a multi-million dollar professional football career and become addicted. These types lack the ability to think rationally and weigh the consequences.

When considering the fact that what he had wasn't to make money, then it's only logical the pills were for him.

Finally, once someone becomes addicted, it doesn't matter whether you were predisposed with the genetic makeup or not, does it?

BTW, no one buys 100 oxycontins to "party". Just like no one buys 100 bags of heroin to party. The last thing someone on either one wants to do is party.

The only drug users who buy drugs to party are the casual users who may or may not become full addicts.

Let's forget the debt thing then. It was a bad analogy.
I really think you are misjudging parties. In fact you are. If I get pulled over for speeding and the cop sees a case of scotch in the back seat, does that mean I'm an alcoholic? Of course not. It could easily mean I'm going to a 2 or 3 day party and it was on me to bring the scotch. Don't think these parties don't exist. I've been a technician in the entertainment industry since '75. From '75 to about '86 I was on the road with rock bands and have been to many of these parties. BIG, LOOONG parties. To be honest they were incredible. 100 pills is nothing for 50 or so partyers in a mansion. I can easily see someone doing this:

"Hi guys I'm here. There's a bag of oxy on the table if anybody wants some. Where's the shrimp and beer? I'm starving!" ...eat, drink, get high, get laid, get drunk, pass out, wake up, get high, get laid, (for 2 or 3 days), find your way home, recover for a day or two and go back to work completely straight. Don't be so naive that you don't think this doesn't go on. In fact, go tour a local college on a holiday weekend.

I'm not extolling the virtues of massive parties where there are illegal substances nor am I saying that anyone attending one is a dirtbag. I'm just a pats fan trying to shed some light on the notion that Nick might not be a slobbering junkie and could just be a guy that likes to party once in a while. Of course it was stupid of him to travel with illegals. He got busted and now he'll have to pay.

 

[PatriotsReign]

"Kontra, someone needs to educate you on addiction.

When someone becomes an addict (or alcoholic) it is not due to a character weakness or flaw. It is a sickness...PERIOD. When people become addicts, they lose there ability to choose whether to take a pill/line/drink.

It is NOT their fault buddy. You need to accept that as fact. Look it up in the American Medical Association's book on disease and you'll find addiction is listed under "disease". That makes it fact, not my opinion."

that, i have to disagree with very vehementley

if it is a sickness, how can some people rid themselves of it? of this sickness/addiction? with no external factor needed? the medical association may call it a disease, but what is the defenition of disease?

a disordered or incorrectly functioning organ, part, structure, or system of the body resulting from the effect of genetic or developmental errors, infection, poisons, nutritional deficiency or imbalance, toxicity, or unfavorable environmental factors; illness; sickness; ailment.

cancer is a disease, it does not dissapper if a person had had enough of it
smoking, alcohol, and drugs however can disapper all of a sudden...

an addiction to something like the above represents either misinformation, or a weak will

( i am sorry for the above wording if this is an emotinal topic for you)

ALP, take no offense since many agree with you...but I think the AMA knows a hell of a lot more about this than you. Ask yourself why you question them listing one disease over another. You've formed your opinion out of pure ignorance. You also formed your opinion based solely upon what you think know about yourself.

Also, once someone is an addict/alcoholic, they are for life. I haven't had a drink or drug for 19 years, but I'm STILL an addict and alcoholic. It's a disease I'll have to live with until the day I die. Will power is of no use to an addict. If you were born with the genetic predisposition to addiction, you'd be an addict my friend. Plain and simple.

If I pick up a drink today, I'll either be in a detox or dead very quickly. How do I know that? Because millions of addict who have stopped for a period of time somehow believe they are cured and decide to drink again and they have died. There are rare cases of alcoholics who have stopped and after 10 or 20 years start drinking again and are able to do so. But they are never the same as "normal" drinkers because they have to consciously control their drinking.

If someone is "controlling" their drinking, then it's already out of control. Normal drinkers don't have to control their drinking.

You are another example of someone who has decided to have an opinion on something you know nothint about. ask yourself why you have chosen to do this. Does it actually bother you that alcoholism is a disease?

It has been scientifically proven through genetic research, yet you still choose not to believe it. I can tell with surety that I have as much control & strength, good morals and character as you, but I became an alcoholic and you did not.

May I suggest you do some heavy research before you form an opinion? Addiction is one those rare topics that people who know nothing about it think they can form an intellegent opinion. But the fact is, that's impossible on any topic. Especially this one.

So, although you do not agree, you're wrong.

 

[swheeler23]

"Kontra, someone needs to educate you on addiction.

When someone becomes an addict (or alcoholic) it is not due to a character weakness or flaw. It is a sickness...PERIOD. When people become addicts, they lose there ability to choose whether to take a pill/line/drink.

It is NOT their fault buddy. You need to accept that as fact. Look it up in the American Medical Association's book on disease and you'll find addiction is listed under "disease". That makes it fact, not my opinion."

that, i have to disagree with very vehementley

if it is a sickness, how can some people rid themselves of it? of this sickness/addiction? with no external factor needed? the medical association may call it a disease, but what is the defenition of disease?

a disordered or incorrectly functioning organ, part, structure, or system of the body resulting from the effect of genetic or developmental errors, infection, poisons, nutritional deficiency or imbalance, toxicity, or unfavorable environmental factors; illness; sickness; ailment.

cancer is a disease, it does not dissapper if a person had had enough of it
smoking, alcohol, and drugs however can disapper all of a sudden...

an addiction to something like the above represents either misinformation, or a weak will

( i am sorry for the above wording if this is an emotinal topic for you)

yes. Addiction is a disease. It is one you can chose not to get by never trying drugs or alcohol. Not the same as some little kid with cancer.

 

[PatriotsReign]

Let's forget the debt thing then. It was a bad analogy.
I really think you are misjudging parties. In fact you are. If I get pulled over for speeding and the cop sees a case of scotch in the back seat, does that mean I'm an alcoholic? Of course not. It could easily mean I'm going to a 2 or 3 day party and it was on me to bring the scotch. Don't think these parties don't exist. I've been a technician in the entertainment industry since '75. From '75 to about '86 I was on the road with rock bands and have been to many of these parties. BIG, LOOONG parties. To be honest they were incredible. 100 pills is nothing for 50 or so partyers in a mansion. I can easily see someone doing this:

"Hi guys I'm here. There's a bag of oxy on the table if anybody wants some. Where's the shrimp and beer? I'm starving!" ...eat, drink, get high, get laid, get drunk, pass out, wake up, get high, get laid, (for 2 or 3 days), find your way home, recover for a day or two and go back to work completely straight. Don't be so naive that you don't think this doesn't go on. In fact, go tour a local college on a holiday weekend.

I'm not extolling the virtues of massive parties where there are illegal substances nor am I saying that anyone attending one is a dirtbag. I'm just a pats fan trying to shed some light on the notion that Nick might not be a slobbering junkie and could just be a guy that likes to party once in a while. Of course it was stupid of him to travel with illegals. He got busted and now he'll have to pay.

Oxycontin is not a party drug period. Neither is heroin. I've already told you this. Social people don't take oxycontin or heroin to party. cocaine or xctacy, yes.

It's like saying someone bought sleeping pills to a party.