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In the NYT Q&A it's totally confusing whether he's saying that the tapes are uesd in game or not. If he is, he contradicts himself later on in the same Q&A by saying he hands the tapes over to Ernie AFTER the game.

The more he talks the more f'ed he'll be. I hope he keeps running his mouth.

Basically he is embellishing everything to to make it look like he knows what is going on with tapes. He basically throws sh!t out there. He knows that NY ***** licking NY times will twist them to make BB look bad. He did not make up all these lies to Goddell because some of the things he is saying are LIES and the agreement with NFL protects him only if he tells truth. The Patriots lawyer was there in the meeting. If he lies in the meeting and if Patriots provide evidence he lied, he would be in a lot of trouble. But HBO and NY Times care sh!t about truth. They want juice not truth. They want him to LIE and exaggerate.

This is what he told Goddell:

I practically never had any contact with BB. He is the man behind the curtain.

Look at these questions:

Q. What do you know about what might have happened after you gave him the tapes?

A. From there, one time, I know that we had a quarterback learning the signals and then relaying that information to Charlie, and Charlie would then call it in to the quarterback on the field, through the coach-to-quarterback communication system in the helmet. As far as whether the quarterback on the field was actually told what defense was being run, or the coach, Charlie, just simply used that information in his play-calling that he called in, I’m not sure.

Look at the question and the answer. There is no relevance. The question is about tapes and the answer is about QB learning signals on the field. There are totally different things. Is there a rule in NFL that QB can't look at opposing defensive coaches? Probably every backup QB with a clip book tries to read opposing defense signals and help the offense. The questioner and Walsh combine totally different things to make it look like there is a connection between tapes and game. I bet Chris "Farter" does not care. Chris "Farter" will read this and farts! from his mouth on ESPN. So would many NY media morons will spin it in whatever fashion they want.

Q. The no-huddle offense helped, right?

A. The first time I ever saw us run a no-huddle with Drew that wasn’t in a two-minute or hurry-up situation was in that first game against Tampa Bay. The advantage to doing that is that it forces the defense that’s on the field to stay on the field. They really don’t have the opportunity to change personnel, because the ball could be snapped at any time. And that also forces the defensive coaches to send in the signals rather quickly, too. So even if the offense decides not to run a play right away, at least they have a little time to think about what’s the best play that’s going to match up against that particular defense.

ROTFLMAO about this ... But Chris Farter, loser JETS fans and NY IQ less media will jump all over this.
 
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LIE: Walsh's signal taping information went from Adams to Weis to the QB
Belichick thinks its absurd that Walsh would even talk about game-planning and play-calling. Both Brady (on WEEI) and Bledsoe (Herald article, can't find link) have stated that they were not fed information regarding the defensive play through the headset.

Not that I like to be in the position to defend Walsh, but after watching Walsh on the HBO interview that is it clear that the QB in question is either John Friesz or Michael Bishop. My money is on Friesz since he was the most season veteran and if I remember correctly his departure was far from the friendliest.

I thought it could be Bledsoe since it would make sense for him to see the sign and call an audible at the line. But Walsh said it was a back up feeding the signals to Weis so Weis could get the play into Bledsoe. That definitely eliminates Bledsoe. Brady was the fourth QB and not active for that game and wasn't on the sidelines so it wasn't him either. I was wrong originally on that one myself.

I do think it is ridiculous to believe that it helped them with 75% of the plays that Friesz decifered though considering preseason games are usually very vanilla defenses. Monty Kiffin is a bright man and probably opened up the playbook during the game where he hadn't in the preseason. Besides Kiffin has been around the block and must change up his signals.
 
Very easy - Belichcik refused to stop filming his opponents illegally after being warned, in print, twice by the NFL. I don't care for Goodell one way or the other, but there is no question that Belichick broke the rules, even after multiple warnings and is guilty. Those that try to say the Belichick didn't do anything wrong are like those that said OJ was innocent, Vick didn't do anything and Pacman was rail-roaded - living in denial.
Goodell interviewed over 50 witnesses and it is interesting that he came out and publicly stated he still didn't believe Belichick excuse - that speaks volumes about what the NFL now thinks of Belichick.

Moron! Stop it you stupid loser! Don't try to hoodwink us that you are a PATS fan. You are mixing up things to criticize BB. We know that you are NY jerk (i mean JETS) fan masquerading as PATS fan.

"Goodell investigated 50 people to check if there was a video tape of RAMS. BB told the truth about it."

Goodell did not buy BB's excuse for taping that he misinterpreted the rule. Don't mix in two and make up a LIE. Where did you get your training? From Chris Farter on ESPN? ....
 
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The no huddle thing is interesting, and by "interesting" I mean "assinine". Doesn't he realize that when the Pats went to the no huddle/hurry up/2 minute, whatever, in that game, they were down two scores and needed to score quickly? Or that they were playing a very fast, physical defense and wanted to wear them down by keeping the same players on the field?

This must be what BB meant by Walsh's limited football knowldege.
 
I have no idea why some of you posters are attempting to argue with these gnomes and worms from other boards...none of them are well-informed or clever...and I am not sure that any of them are even football fans.

They are just fleas. And make Walsh look knowledgeable by comparison--no easy feat!
 
Yet Belichick paid the fine, apologized to all the owners in person (as did the Patroit's owner), and the team accepted the loss of a draft choice. Do you really think they accept all that if they thought it was just a case of misinterpretation of a rule? Take the blinders off and the facts as they are. Belichick got caught red-handed, and then tried to convince the commissioner that he didn't know that his taping was illegal............even after two written warnings on that specific thing. Belichick's excuse resembles that of a child telling his teacher "my dog ate my homework" - and the commissioner rightfully doesn't believe Belichcick and stated as much in his press conference.

Big difference in apologizing for a lie and apologizing for a mistake. BTW, without knowing the context of the two memos and whether the bylaws allows memos to supercede them, its really hard to comment.

BTW, "dog ate the ball" is the excuse of the day, courtesy from our world series champs. ;)
 
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You're a moron. What were the Patriots supposed to say to the commisioner.."We don't accept your penalty!!!...please....seek life elsewhere
 
Yet Belichick paid the fine, apologized to all the owners in person (as did the Patroit's owner), and the team accepted the loss of a draft choice. Do you really think they accept all that if they thought it was just a case of misinterpretation of a rule? Take the blinders off and the facts as they are. Belichick got caught red-handed, and then tried to convince the commissioner that he didn't know that his taping was illegal............even after two written warnings on that specific thing. Belichick's excuse resembles that of a child telling his teacher "my dog ate my homework" - and the commissioner rightfully doesn't believe Belichcick and stated as much in his press conference.

Don't try to change the subject here. You got caught redhanded here...

You said "Goodell spoke to 50 people and still did not believe BB". This is a LIE. I called you out on that. Goodell spoke to 50 people about RAMS tape. He believed BB on that. Walsh only confirmed that BB and PATS were telling the truth. Goodell said no more punishment.

Instead of addressing that, you rant here. "BB blah blah blah blah blah blah blah"

What is your point here?

BB broke a rule. He pleaded ignorance. I for one think he continued to defy the league. PATS and he got screwed for that. This is a lesson for him.

When I see your rant here , I know you JETS fans can't stand him since he dissed you guys and came here. He built a dynasty. You losers have been losing for 10 years. I can understand your frustration. I am HAPPY about that. I am sure all the money you spent on Damien Woody, Pace will go down the drain. I hope you guys are miserable for another 10 years crying about BB.
 
Please - do you think the Patriots would have accepted the loss of a first round draft choice for a "mistake" - not a chance. Belichek got caught red-handed, and while the penalty seemed stiff, many thought it was relatively light considering the offense. The only "mistake" was the fact Belicheck never took the NFL's warnings seriously and he continued his illegal tapings until caught.

BB and the pats accepted the punishment b/c there's no appeal in the NFL.

Figures a troll like you would think whining and throwing others under bus is an acceptable and the correct way to do things.
 
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As bad as those lies are, they are small compared to the lie Belichek told the comissioner when he said he "didn't know the filming was against the rules". Belicheck had the gall to say this after the NFL sent him two letters telling him NOT to do the same filming he got busted for. Even Goodell made it clear in his press conference that he didn't believe Belichek then and still doesn't. Regardless of what Walsh did or didn't do, the fact that Belichek still lied after being caught red-handed is more than despicable and he is lucky to not have been suspended, or worse yet outright banned.

As a 30 year Patriot Fan, I now wonder if it isn't time to move on without Belichek who has accomplished so much for the Patriots and we fans, for as long as he is with the Patriots they will remained a tainted and hated team, just like the San Francisco Giants were until Barry Bonds left.

You are nuts my friend. Good lord.:rolleyes:
 
Please - do you think the Patriots would have accepted the loss of a first round draft choice for a "mistake" - not a chance. Belichek got caught red-handed, and while the penalty seemed stiff, many thought it was relatively light considering the offense. The only "mistake" was the fact Belicheck never took the NFL's warnings seriously and he continued his illegal tapings until caught.

I think you need to take a course in English comprehension.

Belichick believed he was within the rules. The bylaws include 'during the playing of the game'. BB says he interpretted that to mean to USE the tapes in the SAME game, and that is certainly a rational interpretation.

The league sent out MEMOs as REMINDERS OF THE RULES. The league did NOT REWRITE THE RULE.
You are saying that a man who believes he understands a rule then receives a memo as a reminder of the rule and the only difference is 'during the game' instead during the playing of the game', and it is ridiculous to think he felt he understood the rule, felt the reminder made no change, so he saw no reason to do anything differently.

You viewpoint assume that BB takes every memo from the league, studies in detail, compares it to the bylaws, and goes back and reflects upon he whether he really, really understands what he is pretty certain he already does. That is ludicrous.

In your sheltered mind, sideline videotaping is on BBs midn every moment of every day. It was this incredible priority that he had to consider its legality, reconsider his interpretation every single day.
Do you have any idea at all what BB is responsible for? This issue is 1/1000000000th of 1% of his work product. You want an accountability as if BBs job were video coordinator so he spend sleepness nights worrying about video taping, and needed to hire a team of attorneys to analyze a memo on such an important topic.
NFL coaches work 20 hour days and still do not get in all of the film breakdown, gameplan work, teaching, scouting, analysis of their own players on film, and breakdown of the other teams on film, negotiation with agents, coaching the assistants, not to mention the numerous employees in off-field departments that BB is responsible for as the de facto director of operations.
You will say that it is IMPOSSIBLE that he misunderstood the rule (you even accept that he did) read a reminder memo on a rule he already felt he understood, that rule was ordered about 999,999,999 on his list of priorities. Rather it had to be a planned deceitful effort, because to you sideline filming is the primary issue BB should have on his mind while coaching the Pats, since as of today its the only issue you can keep your feeble mind on.
Totally assinine.

Lets get some perspective.
You are employed by XYZ company in some type of management position. It is a large corportation with written regulations and proceedures. You have studied them as they pertain to your job, and feel you understand them well. One regulation states use of PROCESS Q is not allowed in instances where it is not completed during that days work. You interpret this to mean that as long as the process is completed by the end of that day it is allowed, and you have absolutley no doubt that this is correct. You recieve a memo. You are in a management position, with a multitude of responsibilities. This memo reminds employees that PROCESS Q is not allowed unless completed by the employee during that work day. You read it, notice nothing out of the ordinary, and since you are confident you understand the policy continue to do what you have always done. (It should be noted that when comparing to the NFL policy and memo which goes into length explaining what type of taping and from where this policy and memo would also be lengthy and include a description of PROCESS Q). Your belief is that as long as the process is completed that day, you are in compliance. However, the intent of the reminder was that some employees had been starting PROCESS Q and having other employees finish PROCESS Q in the same day, and the corp meant to clarify that it should be the same employee, and they feel that was the intent all along. You did not catch this clarification with no bad intentions, no deceit.
2 years later PROCESS Q is started by one of your employees then another attempts to finish in, screws up, and costs the company $1,000,000. You are questioned, and you say you interpretted the regulation the same way for 8 years. You are asked how you ignored the memo. You say you felt what you were doing was right.
You are telling me that you would ABSOLUTELY 100% be LYING, and you refuse to BE A MAN and admit you were caught. You offer an apology BECAUSE YOUR MISUNDERSTANDING XOST YOUR COMPANY $1,000,000. You are saying you have now admitted that you were lying all along.

I once received a speeding ticket for driving 45 in a 30. I had driven on that road for years, it was a 4 lane road, and I thought the speed limit was 45. There are signs posted saying 30. I saw them every day. I was confident that I knew the speed limit, so didnt pay attention to the signs. When I was pulled over, I asked why I was being stopped, was told I was going 45 and said, yeah dont you have anything better to do than stop someone for going the speed limit.
In your limited scope of intellect, I KNEW that I was breaking the law, and since I said I thought the speed limit was 45. I am a despicable liar. I should be a man and admit I am lying, knew it was 30, and sped every day because I thought I could get away with it.
See, in this example, you cannot say that, because I am telling you what went through my mind, why it was a mistake, and you'd be an idiot to claim you don't believe I thought that. Especially about such a minor thing.
HELLO???????? Sidleine taping was a terriblly MINOR thing in Bill Belichicks responsibilities.
Bill Belichick has NEVER DONE ANYTHING that could be used as evidence of a history of breaking rules, lying or cheating. You REFUSE to accept his explanation because you have decided he was wrong (I am sure you decided that before he ever spoke about the issue).
Your circular logic is he is lying about this, so that makes him a liar, so since he is a liar I put no faith in his explanation because since I have decided THIS ONE STATEMENT IS A LIE with no other evidence he has lied about anything, my disbelief of the statement is proof that he is a liar, and you cannot believe what a liar says.
It is ridiculous. The fact that you believe or disbelieve a statement is not proof that the statement is true or false.

You need to grow up, get a life, and think for yourself instead of letting people with an agenda: ie
Matt Walsh. Sure, the most believeable man in the room has to be the guy criticizing his former employer who fired him for doing a bad job and being deceitful
Arlen Spector. Come on.
Mark Schlereth. You have to be kidding me if you don't think the guy who has done such things as: Tell the story of how he urinated in his pants in the NFL about 1000 times, go on a soap opera, be the 'color coomentator' for a motorcycle jump, etc etc
in order to sooth his cry for attention,
didn't begin to create an Anti-Patriot defense system the second that he got notoriety for being the 'former NFL player who explains to us what this all means'
Any media idiot trying to make a name off of a heavily discussed controversial topic.

Those are the people that you are telling me are more believable about what was in Bill Belichicks head than Bill Belichick.
Please recite for me every instance of anything in BBs career that is not related to Spygate, that makes you question his truthfulness, concern for following the rules, or ability to stand up and accept responsiblity.
You will find none.

Find any hole in his side of the story. Please. Show me the evidence that contadicts BBs claims that matches evidence that contradicts Walsh's which includes:
1) Brian Daboll says he is lying that he talked to him about the walkthrough
2) There is film that shows he was out in the open in Patriot gear when filming. PROOF that he lied
3) There are coaches waiving at the camera, directly conflicting Walsh's claim that it was cloaked in secrecy. (If there was a scheme to cover it up, where is Walsh's comment about what he said to his boss about being waived at by the coaches he was filming? If he reported it, he would have said so to Spector, if he didnt we now believe the intergirty of a guy who couldn't care to do what he thought his job was) This DIRECTLY supports BBs claim that everythingwas done in the open. If it was secret why were we doing it IN THE MEADOWLANDS? Why were we doing it in a road game against a coach who worked for BB 2 years ago?

Your version of 'the truth' says that BB KNEW IT WAS ILLEGAL. Did it for 8 years, 6 of which Mangini was his asst coach. your version says we benefited from it, so Mangini knew about. Your version says BB knew it was wrong, knew Mangini knew he did it, and did it in manginis stadium in front of him. Can I stop yet? At this point you would be a fool to say your viewpoint has any credibility at all.
 
I think you need to take a course in English comprehension.

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JB really isn't worth all that typing AJ. It was pointed out to her/he/it the "during the playing of the game" part of your post. At least once by me I never got a response on it.
 
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JB really isn't worth all that typing AJ. It was pointed out to her/he/it the "during the playing of the game" part of your post. At least once by me I never got a response on it.

No, it never does answer. That's why I think it's a troll.
 
No, it never does answer. That's why I think it's a troll.
Me Too, Night Paul I have to go, I have a low gas pressure situation.:eek:
 
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Huh, and I thought this thread was only going to list Walsh's lies, half-truths, innuendos and fabrications.

I guess I'll just have to wait for him to speak again for that.
 
I thought it could be Bledsoe since it would make sense for him to see the sign and call an audible at the line. But Walsh said it was a back up feeding the signals to Weis so Weis could get the play into Bledsoe. That definitely eliminates Bledsoe. Brady was the fourth QB and not active for that game and wasn't on the sidelines so it wasn't him either. I was wrong originally on that one myself.

I'm referring to the idea that Weis then fed the information through the headset to the QB on the field, not anything Walsh said about the backup on the sideline. That's the final step in the equation - and it doesn't jive with the accounts of Bledsoe or Brady.
 
I'm referring to the idea that Weis then fed the information through the headset to the QB on the field, not anything Walsh said about the backup on the sideline. That's the final step in the equation - and it doesn't jive with the accounts of Bledsoe or Brady.

Well, unless he didn't call in the play until after Kiffin called in his signals. That does happen, but it would definitely disprove the 75% of the time crap since Weis definitely wouldn't have called in his signal after Kiffin that often.
 
I thought in the interest of FRAME and the other efforts to combat the biased media coverage of spygate, we could tally up all of the inconsistencies and lies in Matt Walsh's stories.

Feel free to add on, b/c there are plenty out there. I'm going to start with a couple I see as important:

LIE: Walsh claimed he taped the walkthrough
We know now that this Matt Walsh taping the walkthrough rumor has been around for at least two years. Bill Belichick revealed in his CBS interview, that Walsh himself started the rumor. Obviously, we now know Walsh was lying, and this may be his biggest lie.

The only possible motive for lying here is to hurt or undermine the Patriots, and this is the first of many examples of Walsh trying to do just that.

However, Walsh's lies about the walkthrough don't stop there.

LIE: Walsh told Brian Daboll about what he gathered from seeing the walkthrough.
Daboll has said this is false, the league appears to be on his side.

INCONSISTENCY/LIE: Walsh's recollection of the walkthrough do not match up...
...with what Warner stated the Rams practiced that day. Warner - and I believe Martz supported this as well - remembered practicing goal-line situations. Walsh made no mention of this in his recollection of the walkthrough. Perhaps Martz is right - Walsh is no scout and did not have the football IQ to gather anything from what he was watching anyway.

INCONSISTENCY: Walsh claims he was in Patriot attire for the walkthrough
Mike Martz doesn't buy it.

LIE: Walsh's signal taping information went from Adams to Weis to the QB
Belichick thinks its absurd that Walsh would even talk about game-planning and play-calling. Both Brady (on WEEI) and Bledsoe (Herald article, can't find link) have stated that they were not fed information regarding the defensive play through the headset.

INCONSISTENCY: Walsh claims they knew 75% of the plays of the opponents because of taping the signals
Randy Cross recently stated on Peter King's radio show that most teams are able to identify the defense at least that percentage of the time from preparation of the game regardless of signals. Scouts Inc. detailed explanation of how the signals would be used reinforced that they are just one piece in a larger puzzle of scouting and preparing for a game.

LIE: Walsh was taping these things covertly
Belichick points out that this information is available to anyone in the stadium, and that all teams scout the signals anyway. He states he never told Walsh to tape surreptitiously and has video showing Walsh taping in Patriots attire.

Again, feel free to add on more. I know there are plenty regarding his resume and things in the past, that's fine, too. If we get enough, I'd like to send out to local media members and people like Florio. As much as I want spygate to be over and done, now that BB has gone on the offensive against Walsh, I think as fans we should try to do whatever we can to clear up the misinformation out there.

Let's not forget that Walsh stated that he watched the Pittsburgh game as a season ticket holder, in which he claimed to witness the Patriots taping signals. Thing was the game was not in Foxboro, it was in Pittsburgh. Funny how nobody outside of New England is questioning Walsh's credibility over this little detail.
 
Let's not forget that Walsh stated that he watched the Pittsburgh game as a season ticket holder, in which he claimed to witness the Patriots taping signals. Thing was the game was not in Foxboro, it was in Pittsburgh. Funny how nobody outside of New England is questioning Walsh's credibility over this little detail.

For the sake of argument, let's sat Walsh attended the game in Pittsburgh. Even if he was there, how could he identify any cameramen? According to him, they were all trying to conceal themselves.
 
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