Is Harold Landry done in NE?

[Pape]

Players have played with bone on bone even at a high level.

Elgin Baylor was the most famous.

I think Reggie Bush too.

Julian Edelmans last year here (2020) his knee was Bone on Bone... he only played 6 games that year before he had surgery

I do wonder how long that bone/bone condition existed...

 

[Zuma]

Julian Edelmans last year here (2020) his knee was Bone on Bone... he only played 6 games that year before he had surgery

I do wonder how long that bone/bone condition existed...

And he would’ve had around 900-1000 yds receiving that season if he played all the games. The previous season he had 1117 yds. This condition doesn’t happen overnight and it’s not black and white…their is a lot of gray where the condition is not as severe.

 

[mgteich]

He will play, he will not play, and he is on his last year.

Gotcha, Folks.

This isn't difficult.
1) He will play in 2026 if he is able, even at a much lower level than his best.
2) If he can't play this year, he will likely go to IR.
3) He will be cut before next year since his new money for 2027 is $12.5M.
4) He could re-sign for less, but I don't think that this approach is Vrabel's style.

 

[BennyBledsoe]

Unfortunately, my first response was... "More importantly, is Harold Landry even IN New England?" Haven't seen him play or make a play in almost a year. Overall, he was fairly inconsistent last season. How much of that was the developing injury, I don't know.

Kinda sucks since I liked the initial signing. Ah well.

 

[Ring 6]

Players have played with bone on bone even at a high level.

Elgin Baylor was the most famous.

I think Reggie Bush too.

No. It’s just not true.

 

[Ring 6]

The connection between Harold Landry III and the topic of "bone-on-bone" knee injuries stems from recent unverified fan speculation and internet rumors regarding his health. [1]
There are no official, credible medical reports or statements confirming that the New England Patriotslinebacker's knee is actually bone-on-bone. [1, 2]

Where the "Bone-on-Bone" Rumor Comes From
Because the team has kept the precise medical details of his procedure private, speculation filled the void on sports forums and social media. Sports medicine analysts have speculated that his injury was more likely a moderate LCL (lateral collateral ligament) sprain paired with a lateral meniscus tear. The meniscus acts as the knee’s shock-absorbing cartilage; if a significant portion of it is torn or removed, it increases the long-term risk of developing arthritis, which is likely what triggered the "bone-on-bone" discussion among fans. [1, 2, 3]
However, the fact that Landry was able to play edge rusher at a high level through a Super Bowl run strongly indicates his joint has not degraded to a true, debilitating bone-on-bone state.

 

[Ring 6]

Players have played with bone on bone even at a high level.

Elgin Baylor was the most famous.

I think Reggie Bush too.

No, Elgin Baylor did not play with a bone-on-bone knee joint, though his severe knee issues are often misremembered that way due to how devastating they were.
While the legendary Los Angeles Lakers forward suffered from catastrophic knee damage that permanently diminished his historic leaping ability, his specific injuries involved calcium deposits, a destroyed patellar tendon, and a fractured kneecap, rather than widespread loss of joint cartilage. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]

 

[Thelonious]

Cherchez le Wolf.

 

[Thelonious]

Landry will be out there. Vrabel will manage the knee if necessary. Knees can take 6 months, so it might be a natural healing timeframe. We will see, but they definitely need another EDGE and they are convinced that Landry will be more than Swinson was going to be.

Cartilage often does not heal quickly if at all. Blood circulation in such connective tissue is limited and so therefore is the rate and certainty of healing. Years ago I tore a meniscus cross country skiing. This was before arthroscopic procedures. They wanted to remove the meniscus entirely, the standard procedure back then. I said no thanks. They told me I could try just using it, starting out with crutches, then a cane and so forth. They said it might or might not work, but that increased blood flow from exercise could make the difference. I got up to walking miles every day. It took two years to get it back. BUT, I wasn't trying to play football, just trying to get back to hiking and working (I worked in the woods on a thousand-acre lot devoted to sugaring and logging. I loved my job.)

Perhaps none of this is relevant given all the new modalities of treatment, and perhaps his probem is more with ligaments, but whenever I see talk of knees "healing," I think, "maybe yes and maybe no; and be prepared to put in a lot of time." These days, I have little cartilage ("joint space") left, but I do pretty well, still can put in a day's work. The doctor tells me that some people can do fine with little or no joint space while others just get too much pain, and that there's really no way to know in advance how any particular person will do.

 

[Family]

No, Elgin Baylor did not play with a bone-on-bone knee joint, though his severe knee issues are often misremembered that way due to how devastating they were.
While the legendary Los Angeles Lakers forward suffered from catastrophic knee damage that permanently diminished his historic leaping ability, his specific injuries involved calcium deposits, a destroyed patellar tendon, and a fractured kneecap, rather than widespread loss of joint cartilage. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]

ok then Jim Otto

The point wasn't to argue about the example. Who cares. The point is players have done this.

“The interior of his knees ground, bone-on-bone.”

Mean Joe vs. Double O

In the 1974 AFC Championship Game, two all-time greats went nose to nose across the line of scrimmage. Steelers defensive tackle Joe Greene was at the peak of his power, Raiders center Jim Otto at the end of his career. Their showdown formed the centerpiece of the game that launched the...

www.si.com

There are other examples:

“The interior portion of my left knee was bone-on-bone.” Doctors reportedly thought he might have only three more years, but he ultimately played 11 NFL seasons.

Saints star Reggie Bush reveals how NFL injuries have impacted retirement | Sporting News

The USC legend struggled a bit to stay healthy.

www.sportingnews.com

ADDED: I think I'm a little older than you since you broke your hand tackling the lacrosse coach in high school, but I remember the sports commentaries talking about bone on bone with Baylor as a kid. Nobody understood sports medicine then.

 

[Real fan 02]

was reading Mark Morse' roster article, and he brought up harold landry...

"Harold Landry is still on the PUP list, and although Mike Vrabel said after the game Thursday that Landry may be available for week one versus Seattle, he remains on PUP and will miss the first 4 Games. I wouldn’t be surprised if we never see Landry play again for the Patriots. That horrible contract may be one of the reasons why Christian Gonzalez isn’t signed. Landry is owed a guaranteed $16M this year."

think he's done here? fell off the cliff at the end of last year, is still hampered by injuries which do not seem to be healing all that well, and has a bad contract... not much cap relief this year, but we save mo money in '27... recipe for release?

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Thank you pape for mentioning this! First and foremost it's all BS IMO that that's the reason or assumption Gonzo's deal isn't done.. RK has plenty! Now.. I've been on Landry and this very specific thing since February. I could very much see him at any point between now and during the season retiring.

 

[Ring 6]

ok then Jim Otto

The point wasn't to argue about the example. Who cares. The point is players have done this.

“The interior of his knees ground, bone-on-bone.”

Mean Joe vs. Double O

In the 1974 AFC Championship Game, two all-time greats went nose to nose across the line of scrimmage. Steelers defensive tackle Joe Greene was at the peak of his power, Raiders center Jim Otto at the end of his career. Their showdown formed the centerpiece of the game that launched the...

www.si.com

There are other examples:

“The interior portion of my left knee was bone-on-bone.” Doctors reportedly thought he might have only three more years, but he ultimately played 11 NFL seasons.

Saints star Reggie Bush reveals how NFL injuries have impacted retirement | Sporting News

The USC legend struggled a bit to stay healthy.

www.sportingnews.com

ADDED: I think I'm a little older than you since you broke your hand tackling the lacrosse coach in high school, but I remember the sports commentaries talking about bone on bone with Baylor as a kid. Nobody understood sports medicine then.

Reggie Bush had microfracture surgery to build up scar tissue between the bones.
And it was a portion of the knee. The meniscus separates the bones. Bush was missing a portion of the meniscus and had micro fracture surgery to replace it with scar tissue.
You can’t play football with your thigh and lower leg bones rubbing against each other.

 

[Family]

Reggie Bush had microfracture surgery to build up scar tissue between the bones.
And it was a portion of the knee. The meniscus separates the bones. Bush was missing a portion of the meniscus and had micro fracture surgery to replace it with scar tissue.
You can’t play football with your thigh and lower leg bones rubbing against each other.

I gave you two examples. There are others available if you look.

Believe what you wish.

 

[Ring 6]

I gave you two examples. There are others available if you look.

Believe what you wish.

But you didn’t.
Reggie Bush required surgery to correct the situation in order to be able to play.
Your Otto example is a fluff article not a diagnosis.

Yes bone on bone is a euphemism for bad knees.
But if your leg bones are rubbing together at your knee you cannot play football. You probably can’t walk 100 yards

 

[p8ryts]

But you didn’t.
Reggie Bush required surgery to correct the situation in order to be able to play.
Your Otto example is a fluff article not a diagnosis.

Yes bone on bone is a euphemism for bad knees.
But if your leg bones are rubbing together at your knee you cannot play football. You probably can’t walk 100 yards

replacement

 

[Family]

I didn't know Otto had over 50 surgeries and had to have his leg amputated.

 

[Family]

@Zuma - Otto really did have his leg amputated.

But bone on bone was out of the question.

Jim Otto - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Ring 6]

@Zuma - Otto really did have his leg amputated.

But bone on bone was out of the question.

Jim Otto - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Lord

 

[Grogan14]

They have no one better. Simply have to hope he can play a few games in 26 and then IR him in 27

 

[SONS_OF_BELICHICK]

You can play with bone to bone...but only for so long. Bone to bone will cause alot of friction and swelling as well as arthritis. You will also have alot of particles floating around in there. Microfracture can help to a point. One of the newest things out there is the meniscus and cartilage transplant that Lorenzo Ball did...but not sure of the recovery time.