Mac Jones Says Patriots Offense Was Run by 3 People and nobody knew who was in charge

[jdlboot14]

Man, what a thought. Despite the fact that BB would never have picked Maye in the top 3, imagine if Maye came in as a rookie with OldManBill still the coach here... he might have been completely destroyed and benched for Hoyer by now.
I hope Vrabel doesn't turn into Bill too fast, but for now, I'm so thankful for the HC, OC, DC and overall team trajectory we have.

 

[BennyBledsoe]

Maye's rookie year was nowhere near as bad as having disinterested Belichick and incompetent Patricia/Judge. To me, there is a profound difference between just being a bad coach in Mayo and being disinterested like Belichick.

Plus, Alex Van Pelt may not have been a world class offensive mind, but he was, at least, an offensive mind.

 

[PatsFanInVa]

This is basically Mac Jones providing an insider's commentary that what the frustrated fans and media were feeling was true -- he therefore had infinite upside (as he might feel is being borne out now during his bursts of productivity.)

For Jones, that's as far as it has to go, and it might not be intentional at all, just a viewpoint thing.

So follow him down the rabbit hole:
- The coaching was just keystone kops after BB, who was checked out
- He, Mac Jones, was certainly worth keeping around and trying out with good coaches
- But the Patriots and MJ never got the chance to determine how good he was
- Regardless, MJ was really good, matching the feels he felt previously in his career/in college, and the work he put in despite obstacles in his Patriots stint.

That's a great, and sellable, viewpoint, from MJ's point of view. Now, let's think about what it means if you build it out...

- Bill was checked out or wasn't any good at coaching in the first place
- BB's 2022 assistants were the worst
(Again, what we in fandom and the sports media think of as facts support this narrative)

But also...

- The Patriots are amazing drafters, certainly of QBs, since Mac Jones was secretly really good, and Drake Maye is, well, Drake "Drake Maye" Maye.
- To that, you could arguably add Bailey Zappe, who was unexpectedly good enough to challenge Mac Jones
- There's plenty more room down that rabbit hole: Add Jarrett Stidham, who came within 3 of beating us on the way to the Superb Owl last year. (I jest - he's been a journeyman non-factor and didn't distinguish himself vs. the Pats)
- Conclusion: BB was a great GM, it's just that BB the coach got in the way of BB the talent evaluator (tongue in cheek... the MJ pick was famously a big consensus pick.)

We were grasping at straws the year before MJ's rookie year with Cam Newton, and the Pats clearly had enough insight to put the rookie in over the remains of Newton, whose main skills were accessorizing and nick-naming (and I don't think he was very good at either of those fields, but of course, that's a personal preference. Honestly, if Cam would shut up, wear normal clothes, and just play horribly, he'd probably just be retiring now.)

What was the point? Right, Mac Jones. Okay Mac, you were great, it's our loss. Definitely your stay here was not a fair barometer and effed your career early, and everybody's sorry about that.

I think the unproven part is that you're really, really good. Now, you never actually said that, but the text version of your quote reads that you might think that, and it's something to talk about.

 

[Wozzy]

Bob has been consistent since the fiasco with Bill Parcells that he would never take away personnel control from Belichick or whoever was given final personnel authority (since it was Pete Carroll or Jerod Mayo). Bob said they were going to change how they were doing the draft. He never went into detail and never said that Belichick lost final say on picks. In fact, YOU posted articles from reports that said that Belichick could have overruled the Mac Jones pick but decided not to because he wanted to be a team player.

Bob produced a documentary about the dynasty that omitted Bill entirely... get real.

As Mac down the stretch his rookie season, nothing you are saying contradict what I said that he was inconsistent. He was great sometimes and horrible others. But the fact is the defense fell apart down the stretch and they asked Mac to do a lot more than he was ready for in that time.

Mac sucked after week 13... stats don't lie.

One game against the 3 win Jaguars where the Patriot defense forced three turnovers doesn't change that.

This whole Mac Jones conversation is a laugh riot. Drake Maye played through the Mayo sht show... how come he isn't ruined, Joe Burrow led the entire NFL in sacks getting destroyed his first four years... how come he still plays well when healthy?

If Mac Jones were good he wouldn't be riding the pine right now, he'd be starting for some team. Good NFL QB's aren't sitting on some team's bench... it just doesn't happen.

I have not seen one comp predraft showing Maye compared to Andrew Luck.

I made the comparison. It was the most accurate one I've seen yet.

Mahomes is a great pocket passer and so was Maye last year. But what makes Mahomes special is his ability to run out of the pocket and make off platform throws. He is not a pocket passer. He can stay in the pocket and make great throws. There is a difference.

You started this topic by saying Mahomes wasn't a good pocket passer... so you're all over the place.

And watch the video again. Belichick said QB is "one of their top needs" along with WR and tackle. He didn't say it was their biggest need. He said it was one of the Pats' top three needs.

Firstly you're watching the wrong video. That was the pre-draft show.

Bill said QB, Tackle, WR in that order was their biggest needs after the Pat's selected Drake. I'll post it below.

But I'd suggest watching this video because it starts prior to the picks and begins with BB slamming JJ McCarthy's footwork at the very start of the video, then Maye, then Penix... he roasts them all. So you suggesting he had some particular hatred for Maye that he didn't apply to all the rookie QB's is outright wrong. His job was to be a critical eye and scout all the players and he did that. His job wasn't to be Mel Kiper and tell us they're all going to be All Pros.

 

[h0c2000]

Bill's made a habit of alienating his starting QB's. He still thinks he can win with defense alone.

 

[Bill Lee]

Patricia also had experience as OL assistant his first year with the Pats. All defense after that. He played center and guard at RPI.

Not exactly a glowing resume of offensive coaching, but he did spend a year learning from the best OL coach at least haha.

I would've liked to see Bill as an offensive play caller. I wonder what that would've looked like.

I don't attach a lot of significance to what young and unproven first year coaching assistants do.

From what I've read/heard, they basically fetch coffee and pick people up at the airport.

 

[Wozzy]

Bill's made a habit of alienating his starting QB's. He still thinks he can win with defense alone.

Did he, or did he just hold everybody to a high standard and treat the QB like everyone else?

 

[Rob0729]

Bob produced a documentary about the dynasty that omitted Bill entirely... get real.

Mac sucked after week 13... stats don't lie.

One game against the 3 win Jaguars where the Patriot defense forced three turnovers doesn't change that.

This whole Mac Jones conversation is a laugh riot. Drake Maye played through the Mayo sht show... how come he isn't ruined, Joe Burrow led the entire NFL in sacks getting destroyed his first four years... how come he still plays well when healthy?

If Mac Jones were good he wouldn't be riding the pine right now, he'd be starting for some team. Good NFL QB's aren't sitting on some team's bench... it just doesn't happen.

I made the comparison. It was the most accurate one I've seen yet.

You started this topic by saying Mahomes wasn't a good pocket passer... so you're all over the place.

Firstly you're watching the wrong video. That was the pre-draft show.

Bill said QB, Tackle, WR in that order was their biggest needs after the Pat's selected Drake. I'll post it below.

But I'd suggest watching this video because it starts prior to the picks and begins with BB slamming JJ McCarthy's footwork at the very start of the video, then Maye, then Penix... he roasts them all. So you suggesting he had some particular hatred for Maye that he didn't apply to all the rookie QB's is outright wrong. His job was to be a critical eye and scout all the players and he did that. His job wasn't to be Mel Kiper and tell us they're all going to be All Pros.

Why do you always put words in my mouth. I never said Belichick hated Maye. Never ever. This is the problem with debating with the Belichick cult or any other cult of personality. You guys don't deal with facts. You deal with feelings and your feelings become facts in your mind.

Kraft's documentary was a hit piece on Belichick in a lot of ways. That doesn't change the fact that he has been consistent for decades in saying he learned from his mistake with Parcells and allowing him to pick the groceries. There is no evidence that he took away final say on personnel from Belichick. In fact, most of the reporting about what went on in the war room with the Mac Jones selection said that he had final say, but decided to go with the group decision. And Kraft's documentary doesn't have anything to do what happened with the draft in 2021.

And Belichick never said that QB was a bigger need than WR or tackle. He specifically said QB was "one of the Patriots top needs". He never said it was the biggest need. Just because he said QB first in the list of the Pats three biggest needs doesn't mean it he said that it was the top priority.

I never said that Mahomes wasn't good at passing in the pocket. I said he is not a pocket passer. He is a mobile QB. And what makes him elite his ability to scramble out of the pocket and make off platform throws. Your problem is you don't understand the difference between a pocket passer and a QB who is great at passing in the pocket.

And you are arguing that Belichick didn't seem high on any QB in the 2024 draft that the Pats could have drafted whether it was Maye, McCarthy, or Penix. Isn't that more evidence that Belichick might have valued a trade for two more first round picks than drafting Maye at 3?

 

[DoubleDeluxe]

Why do you always put words in my mouth. I never said Belichick hated Maye. Never ever. This is the problem with debating with the Belichick cult or any other cult of personality. You guys don't deal with facts. You deal with feelings and your feelings become facts in your mind.

Kraft's documentary was a hit piece on Belichick in a lot of ways. That doesn't change the fact that he has been consistent for decades in saying he learned from his mistake with Parcells and allowing him to pick the groceries. There is no evidence that he took away final say on personnel from Belichick. In fact, most of the reporting about what went on in the war room with the Mac Jones selection said that he had final say, but decided to go with the group decision. And Kraft's documentary doesn't have anything to do what happened with the draft in 2021.

And Belichick never said that QB was a bigger need than WR or tackle. He specifically said QB was "one of the Patriots top needs". He never said it was the biggest need. Just because he said QB first in the list of the Pats three biggest needs doesn't mean it he said that it was the top priority.

I never said that Mahomes wasn't good at passing in the pocket. I said he is not a pocket passer. He is a mobile QB. And what makes him elite his ability to scramble out of the pocket and make off platform throws. Your problem is you don't understand the difference between a pocket passer and a QB who is great at passing in the pocket.

And you are arguing that Belichick didn't seem high on any QB in the 2024 draft that the Pats could have drafted whether it was Maye, McCarthy, or Penix. Isn't that more evidence that Belichick might have valued a trade for two more first round picks than drafting Maye at 3?

There is definitely no certainty BB would’ve drafted Maye.
The folks that defend Bill now say he would’ve picked Maye….because Maye has been successful and is on trajectory for Stardom.
If Maye was a bust, I highly doubt the BB apologists would be arguing BB would’ve drafted him.

 

[Rob0729]

There is definitely no certainty BB would’ve drafted Maye.
The folks that defend Bill now say he would’ve picked Maye….because Maye has been successful and is on trajectory for Stardom.
If Maye was a bust, I highly doubt the BB apologists would be arguing BB would’ve drafted him.

If Maye was a bust, I am sure Wozzy would be using that draft night video of Belichick's analysis of Maye completely differently. He would saying "See Belichick knew this guy was a bust and if he was still with the Patriots, he would have traded down and taken Bo Nix and the Pats would be far better off".

 

[Pape]

never wanted him in the first place

don't care what his opinions are about his time in new england... glad he's gone

 

[Wozzy]

Why do you always put words in my mouth. I never said Belichick hated Maye. Never ever. This is the problem with debating with the Belichick cult or any other cult of personality. You guys don't deal with facts. You deal with feelings and your feelings become facts in your mind.

Why are we even talking about BB not liking Maye? Oh yeah, because a couple haters here insist Bill didn’t like Maye as a prospect and never would have taken him. Because of you and people like you…

The cult of Bill doesn’t exist… we’re just Patriot fans who believe 20 years of excellence didn’t happen by accident or because Bill was a stumbling bumbling fool who got lucky and backed into success… like Bob’s documentary suggested.

I’ve been posting about New England sports since the mid 90’s, since dial up internet, and have a long history of slamming BB decisions, free agent signings and draft picks. I could give you an encyclopedia of examples and provide time stamped links proving this.

Stop projecting…

Kraft's documentary was a hit piece on Belichick in a lot of ways. That doesn't change the fact that he has been consistent for decades in saying he learned from his mistake with Parcells and allowing him to pick the groceries. There is no evidence that he took away final say on personnel from Belichick. In fact, most of the reporting about what went on in the war room with the Mac Jones selection said that he had final say, but decided to go with the group decision. And Kraft's documentary doesn't have anything to do what happened with the draft in 2021.

The Krafts and Bill clearly ended on poor terms. If you’re denying that you’re either in denial or lying.

And Belichick never said that QB was a bigger need than WR or tackle. He specifically said QB was "one of the Patriots top needs". He never said it was the biggest need. Just because he said QB first in the list of the Pats three biggest needs doesn't mean it he said that it was the top priority.

He listed their needs in order in the video I provided you, QB was #1 on that list… again, odd considering Mac was still on the roster at that point.

You denying this ^ is exactly why you’re biased… you’re straight lying about something I just provided video evidence of.

I never said that Mahomes wasn't good at passing in the pocket. I said he is not a pocket passer. He is a mobile QB. And what makes him elite his ability to scramble out of the pocket and make off platform throws. Your problem is you don't understand the difference between a pocket passer and a QB who is great at passing in the pocket.

Yeah, you did. Your exact quote:

“Mahomes has multiple rings and he is not a pocket passer.”

Another lie…

And you are arguing that Belichick didn't seem high on any QB in the 2024 draft that the Pats could have drafted whether it was Maye, McCarthy, or Penix. Isn't that more evidence that Belichick might have valued a trade for two more first round picks than drafting Maye at 3?

I’m arguing BB was hyper critical of all the rookies he scouted… that was literally the job ESPN hired him for. He was critical of all of them.

Two QB’s from that class were system fits for him, Drake and McCarthy… he was taking one of them. It was the Patriots biggest need… his words.

I think he would have taken the biggest, strongest, best athlete… my opinion. We have people like you saying no way… it’s laughable. The only reason BB haters are saying he wouldn’t is because McCarthy got hurt and struggled to come back from that. If Drake sucked this wouldn’t even be a conversation. Haters have vivid imaginations where BB was just a tourist the entire dynasty… ask Bob.

 

[Rob0729]

Why are we even talking about BB not liking Maye? Oh yeah, because a couple haters here insist Bill didn’t like Maye as a prospect and never would have taken him. Because of you and people like you…

The cult of Bill doesn’t exist… we’re just Patriot fans who believe 20 years of excellence didn’t happen by accident or because Bill was a stumbling bumbling fool who got lucky and backed into success… like Bob’s documentary suggested.

I’ve been posting about New England sports since the mid 90’s, since dial up internet, and have a long history of slamming BB decisions, free agent signings and draft picks. I could give you an encyclopedia of examples and provide time stamped links proving this.

Stop projecting…

The Krafts and Bill clearly ended on poor terms. If you’re denying that you’re either in denial or lying.

He listed their needs in order in the video I provided you, QB was #1 on that list… again, odd considering Mac was still on the roster at that point.

You denying this ^ is exactly why you’re biased… you’re straight lying about something I just provided video evidence of.

Yeah, you did. Your exact quote:

“Mahomes has multiple rings and he is not a pocket passer.”

Another lie…

I’m arguing BB was hyper critical of all the rookies he scouted… that was literally the job ESPN hired him for. He was critical of all of them.

Two QB’s from that class were system fits for him, Drake and McCarthy… he was taking one of them. It was the Patriots biggest need… his words.

I think he would have taken the biggest, strongest, best athlete… my opinion. We have people like you saying no way… it’s laughable. The only reason BB haters are saying he wouldn’t is because McCarthy got hurt and struggled to come back from that. If Drake sucked this wouldn’t even be a conversation. Haters have vivid imaginations where BB was just a tourist the entire dynasty… ask Bob.

LOL! Yeah, I get it feeling over facts. You got that down.

I mentioned Belichick's lukewarm review of Maye as evidence that Belichick may have chosen to trade down rather than draft Maye. Try to keep up.

And he said QB first when he listed the three biggest needs of the Patriots, that doesn't mean he listed it as the #1 need. The Pats just drafted Maye so of course he would mention it first. He never specifically said it was their #1 need. I would say you are the one who is lying, but you live in an alternative reality. Please provide the exact quote where he said that QB was their #1 need. Not that he said the Patriots need a QB, WR, and tackle with QB being first. That he said that QB was the top need.

And Mahomes is not a pocket passer. That is a fact. He can pass from the pocket with the best of them, but that doesn't make him a pocket passer. I think you don't understand the definition of pocket passer. By your definition, every QB in NFL history is a pocket passer.

And I never denied that the relationship with Kraft and Belichick ended on bad terms. Why would you think I said otherwise? It was always clear that it was a messy divorce. And you know what? Both sides are to blame for that. There was no victim between Belichick and Kraft. Both men share in the blame for the divorce.

All the fact show that Belichick never lost final say on personnel decisions. You even posted reporting that said Belichick maintained final say in the 2021 draft but decided to go with the group decision on Mac Jones.

And I never said there is no way that Belichick would have not taken Drake Maye. I don't deal with absolutes and black and white like you. I said based on the evidence we have it is my opinion that Belichick would have traded down because he valued the addition two first rounders and whatever else he would have gotten and the QB available at where the Vikings were drafting over Maye. I never said I was right.

 

[DoubleDeluxe]

LOL! Yeah, I get it feeling over facts. You got that down.

I mentioned Belichick's lukewarm review of Maye as evidence that Belichick may have chosen to trade down rather than draft Maye. Try to keep up.

And he said QB first when he listed the three biggest needs of the Patriots, that doesn't mean he listed it as the #1 need. The Pats just drafted Maye so of course he would mention it first. He never specifically said it was their #1 need. I would say you are the one who is lying, but you live in an alternative reality. Please provide the exact quote where he said that QB was their #1 need. Not that he said the Patriots need a QB, WR, and tackle with QB being first. That he said that QB was the top need.

And Mahomes is not a pocket passer. That is a fact. He can pass from the pocket with the best of them, but that doesn't make him a pocket passer. I think you don't understand the definition of pocket passer. By your definition, every QB in NFL history is a pocket passer.

And I never denied that the relationship with Kraft and Belichick ended on bad terms. Why would you think I said otherwise? It was always clear that it was a messy divorce. And you know what? Both sides are to blame for that. There was no victim between Belichick and Kraft. Both men share in the blame for the divorce.

All the fact show that Belichick never lost final say on personnel decisions. You even posted reporting that said Belichick maintained final say in the 2021 draft but decided to go with the group decision on Mac Jones.

And I never said there is no way that Belichick would have not taken Drake Maye. I don't deal with absolutes and black and white like you. I said based on the evidence we have it is my opinion that Belichick would have traded down because he valued the addition two first rounders and whatever else he would have gotten and the QB available at where the Vikings were drafting over Maye. I never said I was right.

Bill picked a QB once in the first rd during has 24 years here, and 5 in Cleveland.
Now obv Brady negated the need for a large chunk of those years.
But he also took a FB at #9 overall with Cleveland when they most certainly could’ve used a QB. Of course after Bledsoe and Myer, there were slim pickings.
There is plenty of historical proof that Bill would’ve opted to trade down and accumulate more picks over drafting Maye.
Of course every draft is unique and this is all speculation, but to speculate Bill would’ve drafted Maye is far from certain. It’s all guesses, but I don’t believe he would’ve drafted Maye, again just a guess based on his history.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Brady (& others I'm sure) was finished with Bill after SB52... Bill made some nice trades for vets (though the draft was trash as usual) and righted the ship one last time the year after; but yet another bad draft & weird personnel moves led to a disgraceful One & Done in Brady's farewell season... And after he left as you said it was down-hill for Bill & Co. from there...




Why would he be allowed to do that?!?

This may be some urban legend as I don't know how it would go unnoticed unless he was jerking under a table for a few seconds to get players reactions. But the theme here is that he's attached to many weird stories.

Matt Light has asked the same question. He mentions for whatever reason, Hernandez got away with stuff.

"I would say that it's really safe to say that Hernandez was given a longer leash to kind of do it his way than most players."

Matt Light details his locker room run-in with Aaron Hernandez

Former Patriots tackle Matt Light recounts his locker room run-in with troubled former Patriots tight end Aaron Hernandez

985thesportshub.com

Welker also found out very early on:

"In an anecdote near the bottom of a longer report, it was mentioned that Hernandez was at the team facility trying to watch film, when he grew frustrated at not being able to operate the equipment. Wide receiver Wes Welker walked by, Hernandez asked for help, and Welker replied: “Rookie, you figure it out.”

"According to Shalise Manza Young, Hernandez’s reply was “f--- you Wes, I’ll f--- you up!”

Within days of draft, Hernandez threatened Welker

Stories continue to accumulate about the signs in Aaron Hernandez’s background, stories that paint a more complete if complicated picture about his character.

www.nbcsports.com

Welker warns Lloyd regarding Hernandez:

"I just want to warn you that (Hernandez) is going to talk about being bathed by his mother. He's going to have his genitalia out in front of you while you're sitting on your stool. He's going to talk about gay sex. Just do your best to ignore it. Even walk away."

"Former Patriots linebacker Dane Fletcher, who like Hernandez was a rookie with the team in 2010, said he and Hernandez had a volatile relationship from the start, exchanging both insults and punches."

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/24993158/ex-aaron-hernandez-teammates-new-england-patriots-describe-odd-behavior

This is a guy you cut the first week of training camp. This explains why BB continually passed on talented players because of how much a pain in the ass they can be. Hernandez is the final boss of these types of players.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

If Maye was a bust, I highly doubt the BB apologists would be arguing BB would’ve drafted him.

I agree.

The BB haters say BB would not have drafted Maye because it looks like Maye will be a success, but if Maye was a bust the haters would be saying that BB would have drafted Maye because BB the GM sucked at the end.

The apologists and haters are 2 sides of the same coin.

 

[Wozzy]

LOL! Yeah, I get it feeling over facts. You got that down.

You can’t convince someone who has already made up their mind.

You resent/hate/dislike Bill or what he became in the end, or how you perceive he treated your hero Tom… so here we are.

No need to keep this conversation going, you’ve repeatedly lied and ignored facts. That’s enough…

 

[PatsFanInVa]

This may be some urban legend as I don't know how it would go unnoticed unless he was jerking under a table for a few seconds to get players reactions. But the theme here is that he's attached to many weird stories.

Matt Light has asked the same question. He mentions for whatever reason, Hernandez got away with stuff.

"I would say that it's really safe to say that Hernandez was given a longer leash to kind of do it his way than most players."

Matt Light details his locker room run-in with Aaron Hernandez

Former Patriots tackle Matt Light recounts his locker room run-in with troubled former Patriots tight end Aaron Hernandez

985thesportshub.com

Welker also found out very early on:

"In an anecdote near the bottom of a longer report, it was mentioned that Hernandez was at the team facility trying to watch film, when he grew frustrated at not being able to operate the equipment. Wide receiver Wes Welker walked by, Hernandez asked for help, and Welker replied: “Rookie, you figure it out.”

"According to Shalise Manza Young, Hernandez’s reply was “f--- you Wes, I’ll f--- you up!”

Within days of draft, Hernandez threatened Welker

Stories continue to accumulate about the signs in Aaron Hernandez’s background, stories that paint a more complete if complicated picture about his character.

www.nbcsports.com

Welker warns Lloyd regarding Hernandez:

"I just want to warn you that (Hernandez) is going to talk about being bathed by his mother. He's going to have his genitalia out in front of you while you're sitting on your stool. He's going to talk about gay sex. Just do your best to ignore it. Even walk away."

"Former Patriots linebacker Dane Fletcher, who like Hernandez was a rookie with the team in 2010, said he and Hernandez had a volatile relationship from the start, exchanging both insults and punches."

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/24993158/ex-aaron-hernandez-teammates-new-england-patriots-describe-odd-behavior

This is a guy you cut the first week of training camp. This explains why BB continually passed on talented players because of how much a pain in the ass they can be. Hernandez is the final boss of these types of players.

Rachel Maddow called him her "secret boyfriend." I assume she was still in the closet. Nobody make it political. That's just how she felt about Herrnandez, before the murder thing.

Hey here's another weird connection on the original Mac Jones comment. He says nobody knew who was going to speak first in the team meetings or run them... this is a perfect bookend for what AJ Brown said about Drake Maye sort of taking over an offensive meeting, and how impressive that was to him. Two ways second-year guys can deal with the meeting seeming to them to be off track. Mac "And Cheese" Jones, sitting in his chair saying "I'm just a little fella, I'll watch and see what the grownups think," vs. Drake Maye, taking control of the meeting.

 

[Rob0729]

You can’t convince someone who has already made up their mind.

You resent/hate/dislike Bill or what he became in the end, or how you perceive he treated your hero Tom… so here we are.

No need to keep this conversation going, you’ve repeatedly lied and ignored facts. That’s enough…

Another trait of a person in a cult of personality. Claim underserved victories and walk away from the argument. If this was one of social medias, you probably would have blocked me too.

 

[Rob0729]

I agree.

The BB haters say BB would not have drafted Maye because it looks like Maye will be a success, but if Maye was a bust the haters would be saying that BB would have drafted Maye because BB the GM sucked at the end.

The apologists and haters are 2 sides of the same coin.

Since people or person's believe I am a Belichick hater, I don't know if Belichick would or wouldn't have drafted Maye. I lean to him taking the draft picks in a trade, but I fully admit it is a guess based on the evidence and I could be wrong. But my guess is based on the evidence and not how I feel about Belichick.

If Belichick spoke glowingly about Maye on draft night and had a history beyond Mac Jones in drafting a QB in the first round (since reports were his preference was to pass on Jones and draft a QB like Davis Mills in the second round and just went with the consensus), I would probably think he would he would have passed on any trade and drafted Maye.