Our Defense is NOT Loaded; our BACKUPS are weak.

[Thelonious]

Nobody wants to hear it, but I'll keep saying it anyway: The rebuild is not "complete." Our appearance in the SB last season has led many to overrate where the team actually is in its rebuild. This is why I opposed the Brown trade: we are not yet in "one player away mode." We are still in draft and develop mode, and should be holding on to every blessed draft pick we can. The draft is the way to build an affordable "middle class" and to build depth. In my view, it will take another year to consolidate the roster, and surrendering those draft picks for an expensive, perhaps two-year rental on a fading WR was not the way to go. Injuries - inevitable at some level - will damage a team with a roster this thin. I hope that will not happen, but we have left ourselves very vulnerable to it this year, and the sacrifice of draft picks makes recovery more difficult in the future.

 

[Family]

Nobody wants to hear it, but I'll keep saying it anyway: The rebuild is not "complete." Our appearance in the SB last season has led many to overrate where the team actually is in its rebuild. This is why I opposed the Brown trade: we are not yet in "one player away mode." We are still in draft and develop mode, and should be holding on to every blessed draft pick we can. The draft is the way to build an affordable "middle class" and to build depth. In my view, it will take another year to consolidate the roster, and surrendering those draft picks for an expensive, perhaps two-year rental on a fading WR was not the way to go. Injuries - inevitable at some level - will damage a team with a roster this thin. I hope that will not happen, but we have left ourselves very vulnerable to it this year, and the sacrifice of draft picks makes recovery more difficult in the future.

Would you have said Seattle's rebuild was not complete a year ago?

This is the current NFL. It's not the 1980's. No more 5 year plans.

If Drake Maye is a top 3-5 QB, that's the rebuild.

The roster is good enough otherwise.

Also the draft pick is 2028. Do you think the rebuild won't be done by then???

 

[Thelonious]

Would you have said Seattle's rebuild was not complete a year ago?

This is the current NFL. It's not the 1980's. No more 5 year plans.

If Drake Maye is a top 3-5 QB, that's the rebuild.

The roster is good enough otherwise.

1) "If Drake Maye is a top 3-5 QB, that's the rebuild."

2) "The roster is good enough otherwise."

The first statement is far too simplistic. You will recall that there are eleven players on the field. The other ten players are not there for purely decorative purposes. They have an actual role in the game. Check it out.

The second statement is a matter of opinion. The gist of the thread, it seems to me, is that the roster is NOT good enough, that depth in particular is a problem. I think it unwise so categorically to reject that it might be. I believe I'll leave my pom poms in the closet for a little longer, but do wave yours around as much as you like.

 

[rkarp1]

Nobody wants to hear it, but I'll keep saying it anyway: The rebuild is not "complete." Our appearance in the SB last season has led many to overrate where the team actually is in its rebuild. This is why I opposed the Brown trade: we are not yet in "one player away mode." We are still in draft and develop mode, and should be holding on to every blessed draft pick we can. The draft is the way to build an affordable "middle class" and to build depth. In my view, it will take another year to consolidate the roster, and surrendering those draft picks for an expensive, perhaps two-year rental on a fading WR was not the way to go. Injuries - inevitable at some level - will damage a team with a roster this thin. I hope that will not happen, but we have left ourselves very vulnerable to it this year, and the sacrifice of draft picks makes recovery more difficult in the future.

I could not disagree more with everything you posted
the rebuild is complete
they have their QB/LT/CB/DL stud/WR/very good OL
the roster is deep, talented and young
the cap is in very good shape
the staff is in great shape
no roster is perfect, including this one
there is no reason this team cannot win the SB

 

[Family]

1) "If Drake Maye is a top 3-5 QB, that's the rebuild."

2) "The roster is good enough otherwise."

The first statement is far too simplistic. You will recall that there are eleven players on the field. The other ten players are not there for purely decorative purposes. They have an actual role in the game. Check it out.

The second statement is a matter of opinion. The gist of the thread, it seems to me, is that the roster is NOT good enough, that depth in particular is a problem. I think it unwise so categorically to reject that it might be. I believe I'll leave my pom poms in the closet for a little longer, but do wave yours around as much as you like.

Go back year by year for a decade and look at the division winners. 80-90% are the team with the best QB.

Brady and Mahomes have won 7 of the past 12 super bowls and been in 9 of them.

A crap roster like the Bills can be a contender if there's a Josh Allen.

 

[Ring 6]

As is typical, your reading comprehension sucks.
You clearly haven't bothered to look at other teams 4th/5th CBs so your opinion is worthless.

No I clearly have and that why I wrote what I did. Please list the teams that would die to have these players fighting for their cb4 spot, and then we can actually have a discussion instead of your typical avoidance of any fact attacking of anyone who disagrees with you.

 

[Ring 6]

I could not disagree more with everything you posted
the rebuild is complete
they have their QB/LT/CB/DL stud/WR/very good OL
the roster is deep, talented and young
the cap is in very good shape
the staff is in great shape
no roster is perfect, including this one
there is no reason this team cannot win the SB

Of course. An argument that you aren’t 1 player away when you were zero players away last year and lost no one significant other than the one you upgraded is foolish

 

[Thelonious]

Go back year by year for a decade and look at the division winners. 80-90% are the team with the best QB.

Brady and Mahomes have won 7 of the past 12 super bowls and been in 9 of them.

A crap roster like the Bills can be a contender if there's a Josh Allen.

A good QB is a necessary but not sufficient basis for success. Simple as that.

 

[Family]

A good QB is a necessary but not sufficient basis for success. Simple as that.

But a great QB is sufficient for success.

The roster determines how far that success goes.

This roster is good enough if Drake Maye is a top QB in the league.

 

[Thelonious]

I could not disagree more with everything you posted
the rebuild is complete
they have their QB/LT/CB/DL stud/WR/very good OL
the roster is deep, talented and young
the cap is in very good shape
the staff is in great shape
no roster is perfect, including this one
there is no reason this team cannot win the SB

"The rebuild is complete." The rebuild is, and to some extent always will be, an ongoing process.

There is indeed "no reason this team cannot win the SB." There is no reason ANY team cannot win the SB, but the likelihood that we WILL is certainly diminished by gaps in the roster and by a very concerning lack of depth at certain positions.

Posts such as this are sort of "magical thinking." You assume that pointing out that a team's deficiencies will magically make those deficiencies more problematic. We are just guys spitballing in a chat space. What we may think or say has absolutely no effect on whether they win or lose. In the history of the sport, no fan - however fervid in his optimism, nor any cheerleader - those professionally passionate optimists - has ever scored a single point. Optimism is justified, as I have said elsewhere, but no amount of optimism will win a single game, nor can expressing concern about the roster's deficiencies lose one. What CAN make losses more likely are actions - such as the AJ Brown trade, in my view - based upon delusions as to the team's needs, and that is really the subject matter here.

 

[Wozzy]

No we're not.

Nobody comes to Captain Stoned for logic.

Which 4th CB last season was “good” exactly?

 

[Wozzy]

what does it say about Muma, when he has been bouncing around the league since he was over drafted, that he is competing for a roster spot with 3 players that have not played an nfl snap, and 2 of them were not drafted? yet he is not a roster lock?

He hasn’t bounced around the league… last year he was on two teams including his current one.

For 3 seasons prior he was on Jacksonville and his coach referred to him as their special teams ace. He had two pro bowl caliber players ahead of him with tenure and first round draft status. That staff got replaced.

Just admit you don’t like Muma because Wozzy does… we’d all appreciate the honesty.

 

[Wozzy]

"The rebuild is complete." The rebuild is, and to some extent always will be, an ongoing process.

There is indeed "no reason this team cannot win the SB." There is no reason ANY team cannot win the SB, but the likelihood that we WILL is certainly diminished by gaps in the roster and by a very concerning lack of depth at certain positions.

I agree with the above, especially with the collective age of the roster. In the 2025 NFL season, the New England Patriots ranked 14th youngest among all 32 teams, with an average roster age of 26 years, 10 months, and 18 days.

Entering the 2026 season, the Patriots significantly lowered their average age, rising to become the 6th youngest team in the league. As they replace bandaid vets from last year’s team and build with an eye on the future, development and health will be crucial.

That being said I’m no more concerned this year than last they’ll be able to do it. I have faith in the coaching staff.

They also succeeded in the first of two steps, find athletically gifted prospects to try out for the jobs available. Sounds trite, but some teams can’t even spot good talent and suck at personnel. Finding the talent is the first priority, they did that.

They need to stay healthy and develop the youth. Do your job, do your job well.

 

[n1997y]

Go back year by year for a decade and look at the division winners. 80-90% are the team with the best QB.

Brady and Mahomes have won 7 of the past 12 super bowls and been in 9 of them.

A crap roster like the Bills can be a contender if there's a Josh Allen.

A good QB is a necessary but not sufficient basis for success. Simple as that.

But a great QB is sufficient for success.

The roster determines how far that success goes.

This roster is good enough if Drake Maye is a top QB in the league.

No QB can be successful if the OLine sucks.

The better the QB the more they can compensate and overcome less than stellar OL. But in the end if the OL sucks the QB will be dragged down by it.

Exhibit 1 is Super Bowl LX. Injured QB exacerbated it. He was injured because the OL sucked throughout the playoffs. QED.

 

[Family]

No QB can be successful if the OLine sucks.

The better the QB the more they can compensate and overcome less than stellar OL. But in the end if the OL sucks the QB will be dragged down by it.

Exhibit 1 is Super Bowl LX. Injured QB exacerbated it. He was injured because the OL sucked throughout the playoffs. QED.

You're making my arguement.

They made the Super Bowl.

I never said the QB guarantees a title. I said "the roster determines how far the success goes."

How far does last year's roster go with a 15-20 QB?

 

[rkarp1]

He hasn’t bounced around the league… last year he was on two teams including his current one.

For 3 seasons prior he was on Jacksonville and his coach referred to him as their special teams ace. He had two pro bowl caliber players ahead of him with tenure and first round draft status. That staff got replaced.

Just admit you don’t like Muma because Wozzy does… we’d all appreciate the honesty.

4 year vet
3 different teams, as a 3rd round pick, is bouncing around in my opinion

 

[rkarp1]

He hasn’t bounced around the league… last year he was on two teams including his current one.

For 3 seasons prior he was on Jacksonville and his coach referred to him as their special teams ace. He had two pro bowl caliber players ahead of him with tenure and first round draft status. That staff got replaced.

Just admit you don’t like Muma because Wozzy does… we’d all appreciate the honesty.

I do not like or dislike Muma
I do believe he has not shown much on the field playing defense
he was only able to get onto the field last season in a couple of blow out games.
perhaps he sticks on ST
I would feel better about the situation if another vet was brought in to compete, and best player plays...
as with mostly all comments I make, I could give a sh*t what Wozzy thinks

 

[Wozzy]

4 year vet
3 different teams, as a 3rd round pick, is bouncing around in my opinion

One team for 3 years, two teams in a single year is not bouncing around… it’s searching for a home.

 

[Wozzy]

I do not like or dislike Muma
I do believe he has not shown much on the field playing defense
he was only able to get onto the field last season in a couple of blow out games.
perhaps he sticks on ST

Not playing because the depth ahead of you is better than actually being forced to play and sucking like Gibbens.

Muma didn’t join the team and start contributing until week 16… stop pretending like he was here from training camp.

I could give a sh*t what Wozzy thinks

You chase me around a lot for someone who doesn’t care.

 

[rkarp1]

Not playing because the depth ahead of you is better than actually being forced to play and sucking like Gibbens.

Muma didn’t join the team and start contributing until week 16… stop pretending like he was here from training camp.

You chase me around a lot for someone who doesn’t care.

you see a ras score
I see a player that was a 3rd rd pick that has been waived twice, and signed off a teams PS.
he played 56 defensive snaps last season. all season.
you can make any excuse you want as to why. you usually do.
I would like to see some additional competition available, other than 3 players that have yet to play an nfl snap
If Muma is the best option, then Wozzy wins a prize