Our Defense is NOT Loaded; our BACKUPS are weak.

[Thelonious]

Nobody wants to hear it, but I'll keep saying it anyway: The rebuild is not "complete." Our appearance in the SB last season has led many to overrate where the team actually is in its rebuild. This is why I opposed the Brown trade: we are not yet in "one player away mode." We are still in draft and develop mode, and should be holding on to every blessed draft pick we can. The draft is the way to build an affordable "middle class" and to build depth. In my view, it will take another year to consolidate the roster, and surrendering those draft picks for an expensive, perhaps two-year rental on a fading WR was not the way to go. Injuries - inevitable at some level - will damage a team with a roster this thin. I hope that will not happen, but we have left ourselves very vulnerable to it this year, and the sacrifice of draft picks makes recovery more difficult in the future.

 

[Family]

Nobody wants to hear it, but I'll keep saying it anyway: The rebuild is not "complete." Our appearance in the SB last season has led many to overrate where the team actually is in its rebuild. This is why I opposed the Brown trade: we are not yet in "one player away mode." We are still in draft and develop mode, and should be holding on to every blessed draft pick we can. The draft is the way to build an affordable "middle class" and to build depth. In my view, it will take another year to consolidate the roster, and surrendering those draft picks for an expensive, perhaps two-year rental on a fading WR was not the way to go. Injuries - inevitable at some level - will damage a team with a roster this thin. I hope that will not happen, but we have left ourselves very vulnerable to it this year, and the sacrifice of draft picks makes recovery more difficult in the future.

Would you have said Seattle's rebuild was not complete a year ago?

This is the current NFL. It's not the 1980's. No more 5 year plans.

If Drake Maye is a top 3-5 QB, that's the rebuild.

The roster is good enough otherwise.

Also the draft pick is 2028. Do you think the rebuild won't be done by then???

 

[Thelonious]

Would you have said Seattle's rebuild was not complete a year ago?

This is the current NFL. It's not the 1980's. No more 5 year plans.

If Drake Maye is a top 3-5 QB, that's the rebuild.

The roster is good enough otherwise.

1) "If Drake Maye is a top 3-5 QB, that's the rebuild."

2) "The roster is good enough otherwise."

The first statement is far too simplistic. You will recall that there are eleven players on the field. The other ten players are not there for purely decorative purposes. They have an actual role in the game. Check it out.

The second statement is a matter of opinion. The gist of the thread, it seems to me, is that the roster is NOT good enough, that depth in particular is a problem. I think it unwise so categorically to reject that it might be. I believe I'll leave my pom poms in the closet for a little longer, but do wave yours around as much as you like.

 

[rkarp1]

Nobody wants to hear it, but I'll keep saying it anyway: The rebuild is not "complete." Our appearance in the SB last season has led many to overrate where the team actually is in its rebuild. This is why I opposed the Brown trade: we are not yet in "one player away mode." We are still in draft and develop mode, and should be holding on to every blessed draft pick we can. The draft is the way to build an affordable "middle class" and to build depth. In my view, it will take another year to consolidate the roster, and surrendering those draft picks for an expensive, perhaps two-year rental on a fading WR was not the way to go. Injuries - inevitable at some level - will damage a team with a roster this thin. I hope that will not happen, but we have left ourselves very vulnerable to it this year, and the sacrifice of draft picks makes recovery more difficult in the future.

I could not disagree more with everything you posted
the rebuild is complete
they have their QB/LT/CB/DL stud/WR/very good OL
the roster is deep, talented and young
the cap is in very good shape
the staff is in great shape
no roster is perfect, including this one
there is no reason this team cannot win the SB

 

[Family]

1) "If Drake Maye is a top 3-5 QB, that's the rebuild."

2) "The roster is good enough otherwise."

The first statement is far too simplistic. You will recall that there are eleven players on the field. The other ten players are not there for purely decorative purposes. They have an actual role in the game. Check it out.

The second statement is a matter of opinion. The gist of the thread, it seems to me, is that the roster is NOT good enough, that depth in particular is a problem. I think it unwise so categorically to reject that it might be. I believe I'll leave my pom poms in the closet for a little longer, but do wave yours around as much as you like.

Go back year by year for a decade and look at the division winners. 80-90% are the team with the best QB.

Brady and Mahomes have won 7 of the past 12 super bowls and been in 9 of them.

A crap roster like the Bills can be a contender if there's a Josh Allen.

 

[Ring 6]

As is typical, your reading comprehension sucks.
You clearly haven't bothered to look at other teams 4th/5th CBs so your opinion is worthless.

No I clearly have and that why I wrote what I did. Please list the teams that would die to have these players fighting for their cb4 spot, and then we can actually have a discussion instead of your typical avoidance of any fact attacking of anyone who disagrees with you.

 

[Ring 6]

I could not disagree more with everything you posted
the rebuild is complete
they have their QB/LT/CB/DL stud/WR/very good OL
the roster is deep, talented and young
the cap is in very good shape
the staff is in great shape
no roster is perfect, including this one
there is no reason this team cannot win the SB

Of course. An argument that you aren’t 1 player away when you were zero players away last year and lost no one significant other than the one you upgraded is foolish

 

[Thelonious]

Go back year by year for a decade and look at the division winners. 80-90% are the team with the best QB.

Brady and Mahomes have won 7 of the past 12 super bowls and been in 9 of them.

A crap roster like the Bills can be a contender if there's a Josh Allen.

A good QB is a necessary but not sufficient basis for success. Simple as that.

 

[Family]

A good QB is a necessary but not sufficient basis for success. Simple as that.

But a great QB is sufficient for success.

The roster determines how far that success goes.

This roster is good enough if Drake Maye is a top QB in the league.

 

[Thelonious]

I could not disagree more with everything you posted
the rebuild is complete
they have their QB/LT/CB/DL stud/WR/very good OL
the roster is deep, talented and young
the cap is in very good shape
the staff is in great shape
no roster is perfect, including this one
there is no reason this team cannot win the SB

"The rebuild is complete." The rebuild is, and to some extent always will be, an ongoing process.

There is indeed "no reason this team cannot win the SB." There is no reason ANY team cannot win the SB, but the likelihood that we WILL is certainly diminished by gaps in the roster and by a very concerning lack of depth at certain positions.

Posts such as this are sort of "magical thinking." You assume that pointing out that a team's deficiencies will magically make those deficiencies more problematic. We are just guys spitballing in a chat space. What we may think or say has absolutely no effect on whether they win or lose. In the history of the sport, no fan - however fervid in his optimism, nor any cheerleader - those professionally passionate optimists - has ever scored a single point. Optimism is justified, as I have said elsewhere, but no amount of optimism will win a single game, nor can expressing concern about the roster's deficiencies lose one. What CAN make losses more likely are actions - such as the AJ Brown trade, in my view - based upon delusions as to the team's needs, and that is really the subject matter here.

 

[Wozzy]

No we're not.

Nobody comes to Captain Stoned for logic.

Which 4th CB last season was “good” exactly?

 

[Wozzy]

what does it say about Muma, when he has been bouncing around the league since he was over drafted, that he is competing for a roster spot with 3 players that have not played an nfl snap, and 2 of them were not drafted? yet he is not a roster lock?

He hasn’t bounced around the league… last year he was on two teams including his current one.

For 3 seasons prior he was on Jacksonville and his coach referred to him as their special teams ace. He had two pro bowl caliber players ahead of him with tenure and first round draft status. That staff got replaced.

Just admit you don’t like Muma because Wozzy does… we’d all appreciate the honesty.