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Remind me on Jared Wilson’s shift to LG:

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I was saying it from the jump, keep them in there especially if Campbell isn’t fully healed. It was a huge difference in protection and we just let it happen.
Right, but do you remember the initial decision from training camp. It seemed weird because they kept shuffling combinations for a little while before settling on the Wilson at LG decision.
 
Yeah, the decision not to stick with the hot hand of Lowe and Brown down the stretch was a curious one that has already been debated endlessly. But I can't remember back in training camp if the feeling was that Brown was better than Wilson then. I think the feeling was that Wilson was better and that having Brown backup the IOL made a lot of sense. But if someone says they remember Brown being better then, I'll probably believe it.
Right - while Brown did ultimately look better later in the year, I don't remember any reports that he looked better during camp/preseason.
 
In the end, the only other choice was Strange, a very inexpensive option. Instead of having Strange on the roster, Vrabel chose the MIGHTY Wallace.
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Strange was healthy enough to be a veteran backup, certainly a better option at OL than Wallace.
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This choice was the strangest decision in the entire off-season.
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Maybe Wallace will be a top back up and a potential starter and Vrabel will show how good his decision was.
 
In the end, the only other choice was Strange, a very inexpensive option. Instead of having Strange on the roster, Vrabel chose the MIGHTY Wallace.
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Strange was healthy enough to be a veteran backup, certainly a better option at OL than Wallace.
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This choice was the strangest decision in the entire off-season.
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Maybe Wallace will be a top back up and a potential starter and Vrabel will show how good his decision was.
Well, and Wallace supposedly has the flexibility to play tackle. I don't blame them for trying to see if Wallace develops because Brown seemed like a fine option for backup IOL in the place of Strange.

I have to say, it's remarkable to see these boards go from thinking Strange the worst pick of all time to now being upset that we cut him before we went on a Super Bowl run.
 
When Brown played he was better, not slightly. So Wilson was not as good as. Giving a rookie who is more athletic was the reason Wilson played, not that he was as good as anyone else. It was a reasonable decision until after Wilson's injury when Brown outplayed him, and the Pats were on a run. When the team was on a run the decision criteria should have changed, and Wilson could have been brought back in Y2.

Yeah, the decision not to stick with the hot hand of Lowe and Brown down the stretch was a curious one that has already been debated endlessly. But I can't remember back in training camp if the feeling was that Brown was better than Wilson then. I think the feeling was that Wilson was better and that having Brown backup the IOL made a lot of sense. But if someone says they remember Brown being better then, I'll probably believe it.


Wilson was the best option at LG coming out of camp, and really up to the injury.

Campbell and Wilson got hurt and hit a rookie wall.

The organization was clear from the start. They were working to develop a culture, build, and accept the results. They didn't make a trade at the deadline, stuck with the plan, and weren't going to sacrifice growth for what they saw was maybe a little better.

The team stood behind Stevenson when he fumbled, Borregales when he went cold, and on and on. Most of the moves worked.

They did everything right. Except the super bowl game plan.
 
Wilson needs to move to center and prove himself there or he should probably be gone the moment we have an upgrade. He is absolutely not the answer at LG.

Ben Brown was the better option and they just had to force it with Wilson. One of Vrabel’s few mistakes.
Ben Brown IS the better option at LG for next season but that doesn't mean Wilson should shift to C

Bradbury is an average C and is great to have as a backup.

Brown grades out above average at LG whereas Wilson after a full season grades out well below average.

Adding or trading for a pro bowl caliber Center in his prime would anchor the line for years and costs a LOT less than a pro-bowl LG

We will likely use a 1st or 2nd round pick on OL for someone who might even be better than Wilson (who was a 3rd round pick), though I'm not giving up on him given his youth and contract - he's a quality backup in my mind.

The top C in the league gets $18 mil - whereas you've got several guards getting $24 mil.

Seems to me, given that we've relied on solid centers for all Super Bowl runs, that's money well spent with a pro bowl C making the jobs of the guards that much easier
 
My goal for Jared Wilson is a slightly better version of David Andrews. Superficially, they're similar players in that they were both 2nd team All-SEC centers in their final year at Georgia. Wilson is an inch taller, ten pounds heavier and overall, a better athlete than Andrews. The huge advantage David had over Jared coming into the league was in experience: Andrews started 50 games at center over 3 years while Wilson started 12 over one year. That's why one was a plug and play center in his rookie year and the other took an apprentice year at guard.

Obviously, Wilson struggled mightily at times last year, but he got desperately need playing time, He was learning on the job in reading stunts, getting the proper angles on combo blocks, adjusting to blocking from a different leverage point since he wasn't 4 inches higher from having his hand on the ball (shoutout Greg Bedard) and literally everything else needed to be an offensive lineman in the NFL. Yeah, he took his lumps but a year off in the weight room and good coaching makes me cautiously optimistic he could make a second-year leap and turn into a decent to very good center.
 
Yeah, the decision not to stick with the hot hand of Lowe and Brown down the stretch was a curious one that has already been debated endlessly. But I can't remember back in training camp if the feeling was that Brown was better than Wilson then. I think the feeling was that Wilson was better and that having Brown backup the IOL made a lot of sense. But if someone says they remember Brown being better then, I'll probably believe it.

My recollection from TC was that OL Brown was not only an afterthought, but also maybe not fully healthy. Further that he was considered a backup SWING G, but one who was predominantly a RG and not a LG.

I think he got a full season of hard coaching and yeah at the time of the SB he probably ( in my mind most assuredly ) was a better option than Wilson at LG. But that doesn’t mean he was ready for that at TC, sep, oct or even Nov-dec.

BL: what Brown was last 2025 TC is IMO NOT what he is now or will be in 2026 TC. But Coaches need to evaluate him in live situations & make the call: is he starter material or still a backup?
 
I was saying it from the jump, keep them in there especially if Campbell isn’t fully healed. It was a huge difference in protection and we just let it happen.

The only reason people gave you **** about it was because you wanted them to play Pop Douglass at left tackle and KayShon Boutte at left guard.
 
To nobody in particular….

Jared Wilson is more talented than Ben Brown, .but I still suggested before the playoffs as Wilson was getting healthy it might be smarter to keep Brown in there anyway. Why? Because having two rookie starters on the left side was a detriment.

It reminded me of Mike Onwenu struggling in year two and Belichick plugging Karras in at guard in his place. Onwenu was more talented than Karras, but having a more experienced player in there was the right move at the time.

Fans confuse “talent” and “execution” all the time. Maybe the biggest detriment in starting Wilson in the postseason was his providing a tell to Seattle defenders before the snap. Brown wouldn’t have done that… total rookie move.

People shouldn’t write off Wilson either, he has supreme athleticism for the interior. He and Campbell will both get stronger in a pro strength program. They’ll get coached up and fix their flaws…. ideally. If not they won’t last long in the league… but the talent is undeniable.
 
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People shouldn’t write off Wilson either, he has supreme athleticism for the interior. He and Campbell will both get stronger in a pro strength program. They’ll get coached up and fix their flaws…. ideally. If not they won’t last long in the league… but the talent is undeniable.
I presume that three roster position is set: Campbell as starting LT) along with Wilson and Brown as IOL's.

NONE of the entire rest of the OL is set.
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The team is not giving up on Wallace, Wilson, or Bryant. (or Lowe or Munford if they can re-sign them). If possible, they will all be welcomed to Training Camp.

We will find out who of the following will be replaced or beaten out for starter positions: Brown, Bradbury, Onwenu, Moses.
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Obviously, Vrabel MIGHT add any of the following at any position other than top free agent LT.
1) top veteran
2) mid-level veteran
3) low-level veteran
3) top draftee (1st-3rd round)
4) mid-level draftee (3rd - 5th round)
5) low level draftee (6th or 7th
6) trade for any of the above.
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Our WAG's have shown just how many options there are.
 
I presume that three roster position is set: Campbell as starting LT) along with Wilson and Brown as IOL's.

NONE of the entire rest of the OL is set.
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The team is not giving up on Wallace, Wilson, or Bryant. (or Lowe or Munford if they can re-sign them). If possible, they will all be welcomed to Training Camp.

We will find out who of the following will be replaced or beaten out for starter positions: Brown, Bradbury, Onwenu, Moses.
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Obviously, Vrabel MIGHT add any of the following at any position other than top free agent LT.
1) top veteran
2) mid-level veteran
3) low-level veteran
3) top draftee (1st-3rd round)
4) mid-level draftee (3rd - 5th round)
5) low level draftee (6th or 7th
6) trade for any of the above.
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Our WAG's have shown just how many options there are.
Barring injury or some contract inspired move the starting five coming back next offseason is what it was to end this season.

But they will add talented depth to compete in camp and anything could happen. This years rookies could struggle, injuries could occur, a young stud could simply be a better option. The reality is this year’s rookies could improve mightily and we could see the same exact line next season but much improved.

As long as there are more talented players on the bench behind the starters nobody should be that concerned. You don’t accidentally end up in the Super Bowl with the best record in the NFL. This team was really good, they can still improve and be better.

Hopefully this season was the start of something great.
 
In the end, the only other choice was Strange, a very inexpensive option. Instead of having Strange on the roster, Vrabel chose the MIGHTY Wallace.
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Strange was healthy enough to be a veteran backup, certainly a better option at OL than Wallace.
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This choice was the strangest decision in the entire off-season.
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Maybe Wallace will be a top back up and a potential starter and Vrabel will show how good his decision was.
There’s a large possibility Strange and his agent asked for his release and a chance to start elsewhere. Vrabel made it clear he only wanted players who wanted to be here. If so it worked out for Strange, in the last year of his rookie deal he was auditioning for all 32 teams.
 
Did this move happen because the staff realized they liked him as a guard over center? Or was it more due to the Cole Strange fallout that created a hole at LG, basically they then just tried to get the best 5 out there.

If I remember right, I think Strange was the plan at LG before the staff realized he just wasn’t getting healthy and wasn’t the same guy. Wilson was supposed to sit behind Bradbury for a year, unless he beat him out in camp. I think it was pretty close competition in camp until Strange being out began to shift Wilson over to LG.

Would be a notable difference, since Wilson wasn’t moved out of the staff’s fit preference for him, but more out of necessity.
I remember writing about that a bunch during last preseason, and I did some digging:

From this entry:

This is generally the time in training camp where some players begin taking hold of a role, and so far this preseason, it appears that rookie offensive lineman Jared Wilson may have taken the lead at the left guard spot.

Wilson seemed to be in the initial mix at center, but the quarterback/center exchange has been an issue, which appeared to have hampered his opportunity in the reps he saw there. Instead, after also being part of the competition at left guard against Cole Strange, the rookie spent a good portion of Wednesday’s practice there with the first team, while Strange worked with the back-ups at the start of practice.

That ended up being how things remained. That’s clearly good news for Wilson, potentially signaling that the rookie is now in line to win the job, provided he can keep it going for the next month, beginning when the club holds its first joint practices next week against the Commanders.

Meanwhile, Strange ended up getting some time at center on Wednesday, with his work there last season being something Patriots head coach Mike Vrabel praised him for earlier this offseason. However, even with Garrett Bradbury sidelined, Strange was simply part of the rotation, and last year’s starter, Ben Brown, ended up as the top player there ahead of him.


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That’s not a great sign, and Strange is in a tough spot. With multiple younger players battling for roles, he’s in the final year of his deal, with the Patriots declining his fifth-year option over the offseason. He’s also coming off of a significant knee injury that cost him a good portion of last season.

What gets a little lost here is the fact that Strange tried to be a good soldier in 2023 after suffering a knee injury early in camp. Rather than have surgery, he opted to battle through it and instead ended up injuring it further when he was finally knocked out of action in Week 15 against the Chiefs.

That cost him a significant portion of last offseason, and there were fears at the beginning of the year he might not have played at all in 2024. As it was, Strange didn’t begin practicing with the team until Week 12, and finally saw action in Week 15 against the Bills where he played three snaps on special teams. He closed out the season playing 100% of the snaps over the final two games, both of which saw him get the starting nod at center.

As a result, that decision – at least given where he’s at right now – may have seemingly been career-altering, which has to be frustrating for the former Chattanooga standout.

Barring a standout performance (and he also experienced a bad snap on Wednesday), it’s going to be tough for him to crack the starting role at either spot. If that’s the case, he faces a difficult road over the coming weeks as the club continues trying to establish its group of five up front heading into the 2025 season.

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One other mention of when Wilson was working at center earlier the day before, which happened after Bradbury left practice:

Both Bradbury and Wilson have had a tough time at center so far at camp, at least when it comes to the quarterback and center exchange.

It’s happened multiple times with both players, and appears to be an ongoing issue.

On Tuesday, Vrabel penalized them, pulling Maye and the offense off the field following a bad snap between he and Bradbury during the 11-on-11 period.

This is the time of year where things like this need to be worked out, but the fact it’s happened as often as it has and continues to happen is going to be something that you have to hope gets figured out before they start playing meaningful games.

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And the day before that, Phil Perry of NBC Sports Boston felt like Cole Strange was in the lead for the spot, so it sort of shows you how it shifted just over the course of a few days:


Rookie lineman Jared Wilson had a solid day along the offensive line and appears to be in position to make a run at a starting role, but the rookie still has one issue that has shown up that he’s yet to overcome.

He had two bad exchanges with Drake Maye at center on Monday, which adds to others he’s run into during the early portion of training camp.

That is something that is certainly going to play into whether or not he can ultimately step into the position at center. He’s been in the mix at left guard, but according to Phil Perry of NBC Sports Boston, Cole Strange had a solid showing there and appears to be moving well after a full offseason where he was healthy coming back from the knee injury he had from a year ago.

“Yeah, with Cole Strange, I thought he won his one-on-one rep against Milton Williams, so that’s a big check for me in a pass protection situation,” said Perry. “But I also saw him just moving well on the field, Tom [Curran]. For a guy who had a devastating knee injury, we know a couple of years ago, they’re going to ask him – Josh McDaniels is a big fan of this gap scheme type of running game. It’s not the zone running game necessarily, although he’ll sprinkle some of that in well, where you’re hauling tail to the sideline in a full sprint if you’re playing on the offensive line. But he will ask you to pull.”

“And we saw Cole Strange pull today, and I thought he moved great. I thought he got to the second level, sealed off a block for a nice chunk in the run game. So he’s strung together a bunch of good practices, and that left guard job, in my opinion, is his to lose.”

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And it started on Day One, and Caedan Wallace was even in the mix there:

Cole Strange got the nod with the first team on Wednesday, but both Caedan Wallace and Jared Wilson (who also got reps at center) were also in the mix.

That’s the position that seems to be in question up front, and Strange’s situation is certainly interesting. The club declined his fifth-year option this offseason, making this potentially his final year in New England.

They’ve been a better team running the football when he’s been on the field, but injuries the last two years have hampered him. It feels like there’s going to be a pretty good battle there, and the door might be open for someone to push him for that spot. On Wednesday, it was Wallace, who after dealing with an injury of his own last year, might now be competing for an opportunity at a different position.

It’s difficult to judge much of anything without pads and we’re only one day in. But it’s clear that spot will remain one to keep an eye on.
 
We don't know whether we need a top center or a top LG. We might know that if Wilson had played center in 2025. Vrabel will need make his choice with the info that he has.

We can certainly draft an OL or even two in the first 4 rounds. Help on the right side seems to be there early if we are willing to use the pick.
 
I have to say, it's remarkable to see these boards go from thinking Strange the worst pick of all time to now being upset that we cut him before we went on a Super Bowl run.
upset that Vrabel thought Wallace was better value for 2025 at LG, with Wilson forced to play at LG instead of center.
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Of course you are right. We didn't lose anything in 2025.

The possible loss is in 2026. Maybe a year of Wilson at center would have been important to 2026. HOWEVER, if Bradbury/Wilson fighting it out in 2025 was OK, this position shouldn't be weaker in 2026, especially with Brown also being a backup center.

The major gain could happen if Wallace is of value, possibly beating out Bryant and Munford.
 
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