OT: Colts and Titans Had "Agreement"

[BelichickFan]

This is a bigger deal than SpyGate.

It certainly affected the outcome of the season more.

 

[Deus Irae]

I know your joking, but this is the whole "psychology" of this thread as I referenced earlier. I get it, I'd probably feel the same way.

Collusion, if that is what occurred, is against the rules.

 

[DaedalusX]

Uh, this is a very big deal. This is collusion and collusion with serious playoff implications. If true, it draws into question if the Colts threw the game as a favor to the Titans.

Goodell, Polian and Dungy might want to let this one go disappear, but you better believe the Browns aren't going to let it.

 

[TheGodInAGreyHoodie]

I know your joking, but this is the whole "psychology" of this thread as I referenced earlier. I get it, I'd probably feel the same way.

Not really.

Seeing how much Tony Dungy spoke about how proud he was to be in a division that sent three teams to the playoffs, and the obvious digs against the Pats and the AFC East, this raises the possibility that the Colts were not merely resting their starters so they would be fresh for the playoffs and to give other players experience, but in fact wanted the Titans to win.

If TD was in fact trying to win the game with the 2nd and 3rd string, then this is a lot about nothing. But if TD in fact wanted the Titans to win, then this is much bigger than "camera-gate."

It is too early for me to say that Dungy was in fact corrupting the game, but between his post-game interview, this story, and the way the game was played it is starting to look that way, and investigation should be made to determine if the Colts threw the game.

 

[fair catch fryar]

If this is indeed true, then I would equate it to the level of the NBA ref that was betting on games in which he was working.

 

[Double G]

This is the same franchise that when in Baltimore in 1977 threw the last game of the year vs the pitiful Lions which kept the Patriots out of the playoffs; a punt got "blocked" in the closing minutes of the game which led to the winning score.

Old habits die hard...............

 

[Snarf]

What's the big deal?

We blatantly THREW the Miami game last year to get a better matchup. Who's to say that the Dolts don't have a strategic reason to let Tenn win?

Hypocritical to call them out when it's done all the time.

 

[A.C Vegas]

The fact that they had an agreement is the huge

 

[BelichickFan]

What's the big deal?

We blatantly THREW the Miami game last year to get a better matchup.

Tweaking your matchup is entirely different than deciding who makes the playoffs - especially when both parties involved are on the competition committee.

 

[Fixit]

What's the big deal?

We blatantly THREW the Miami game last year to get a better matchup. Who's to say that the Dolts don't have a strategic reason to let Tenn win?

Hypocritical to call them out when it's done all the time.

If you're talking the 21-0 game, we flat-out got whipped.

 

[patsacolachick]

Okay I didn't take the time to read the whole thread, but has anyone emailed this to Florio? As much as he irritated me during Spygate, he does seem to be an equal-opportunity questioner of ethics

 

[BelichickFan]

If you're talking the 21-0 game, we flat-out got whipped.

He means the year before when Cassel played most of the game and Flutie did the drop kick. It gave us Jacksonville instead of Pittsburgh in the first round - it didn't change who made the playoffs, though, and wasn't done with a co-competition committee member.

 

[TheGodInAGreyHoodie]

What's the big deal?

We blatantly THREW the Miami game last year to get a better matchup. Who's to say that the Dolts don't have a strategic reason to let Tenn win?

Hypocritical to call them out when it's done all the time.

We threw a game in week 14, to effect the standings? Are you nuts?

 

[ALP]

hey, i hope romeo and the browns have some guts to go after this....cuz it would be a shame if hte colts get away with something else again...


btw....i think the competition committee is starting to hit negative points...

 

[Snarf]

If you're talking the 21-0 game, we flat-out got whipped.

Sorry, I meant 2 years ago (Flutie drop-kick game). How time flies!

Yes, we threw that game to get a better match-up.

The question, I suppose, is whether it's much more immoral to throw a game in order to affect WHO gets in...............

Imagine that we're playing the Jets in the last game of the year. If the Jets win, the Colts are OUT of the playoffs (a wild-card thingy). If the Pats win, the Jets are eliminated and the Colts are in the playoffs.

Would you have a problem with us throwing the game to the Jets to ensure that we don't have to face the Colts in the playoffs?

 

[BradyManny]

I get the psychology of this, on this board, but I don't see anything here.

Not just because its the Colts, I'd say the same thing for any team.

You could make this reaching argument on ANY kneel down that the Defense doesn't just ATTACK the offense as soon as its snapped.

Do you think if a team is up 10 and takes a kneel down to kill the clock with 30 seconds left the D line should smash into the Center and QB just in case the ball comes out, they recover, run it back for a touchdown, kick off, get the ball on a fumble, and then score ANOTHER TOUCHDOWN?????

Screw Cleveland, they controlled their own destiny in week 15 and lost. That is on them.

That's not what this thread is about, though. As I said, the Colts earned their right to rest their starters, even if resting their starters dictates who makes the playoffs. Is that fair to the Browns? Doesn't really matter, the Colts won enough games to earn a bye, and deserve the chance to do whatever the heck they want in Week 17.

But they can't talk about it with the Titans, they can't reach an "agreement" about how the game is to be played. It's not right on many levels. That's all we're talking about here.

 

[Deus Irae]

Sorry, I meant 2 years ago (Flutie drop-kick game). How time flies!

Yes, we threw that game to get a better match-up.

The question, I suppose, is whether it's much more immoral to throw a game in order to affect WHO gets in...............

Imagine that we're playing the Jets in the last game of the year. If the Jets win, the Colts are OUT of the playoffs (a wild-card thingy). If the Pats win, the Jets are eliminated and the Colts are in the playoffs.

Would you have a problem with us throwing the game to the Jets to ensure that we don't have to face the Colts in the playoffs?

1.) What evidence do you have of this team ever throwing a game under Belichick?

2.) What evidence do you have of BB ever colluding with an opposing coach to determine an outcome?

3.) What part of "collusion" keeps eluding you?

 

[BradyManny]

3.) What part of "collusion" keeps eluding you?

I got your back:


http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/collusion

col·lu·sion
1. a secret agreement, esp. for fraudulent or treacherous purposes; conspiracy: Some of his employees were acting in collusion to rob him.
2. Law. a secret understanding between two or more persons to gain something illegally, to defraud another of his or her rights, or to appear as adversaries though in agreement: collusion of husband and wife to obtain a divorce.


For those that seem to be missing the key to understanding this thread and why this isn't the same argument folks had a few days ago about whether or not the Colts should've tried. It has nothing to do with that.

 

[BRADY2MOSSS]

I dream of the day where the colts need a lost from a team to make the playoff and that team happens to be playing the patriots and the patriots has nothing to play for.

I believe in karma. one day the colts will be on the opposite side of the road and every team will remember what they did in 07

 

[speed]

Well then I guess the question needs to be asked was it a nod from across the field from coach to coach or some covert op to manipulate the game throughout or just that one play.

How was it communicated?

What was said?

I did see Polian on the grassy knoll

Honestly, if its that one play that was a nod across the field, meh.

If it was a bigger more devious conspiracy to throw the game, then it should be investigated and prosecuted to the fullest... oh and someone should apologize to Chris Henry because Darryl Reid didn't get the memo.

Yes, I used two smiley faces in one post and yes it feels emasculating.