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Points 1-10, I love Drake Maye, he knows his game, he knows what he's doing, and he's managing some pretty impressive games while getting sacked at historic rates,, but...

...what do you do about the sacks?

(or do you?)

Spoiler: Drake himself says "
it's on me"

So, there's indecisiveness, there's protection, and there's failed escapes. I'll take the unlikeliest culprit first, protection.

This is a Myles Garrett sizzle reel from (we have to assume) a butt-hurt Brownies fan establishing that Myles Garrett won his part of the game sort of like how T.O. won his part of the super bowl once.


Anybody who can count Mississippis can see that there's plenty of protection to get him to 3.5 seconds, the oft-quoted league average, in most of these sack plays (I didn't quickly find an "all sacks" clip, but this takes us through 5 of them).

I invite folks to counter with clips of the line just getting beaten by the D, but that's not what happens here. He's getting 4+ & usually 5+ seconds before he has to deal with the sack.

Next, indecision. The good news is, this is coachable. Just get the ball out. This is pro football. There are really big fast guys paid a lot to eff up your highlight reel (or more generously, paid to mess up your desire to excel in service of the team.) Basically, Drake says this is the issue: Get the ball out faster. He's upside-down Brady: he does have that escapability and speed, and he sometimes spins it into gold. But sometimes it perhaps adds to overestimating time till sack.

It's a beautiful thing to have a sky-high completion percentage. It's a little ugly to pad it with sacks taken instead of incompletions out of bounds where called for.

Finally, there's "technical" sacks where the idea is to exploit his legs, whether on a designed run/option, or creating a run threat. That's a risk it helps the team to take, to an extent. But it is still the case that running QBs are at greater risk of injury, so I love every successful scamper, and none of them specifically look like cause for concern, but I hate seeing a high number of runs, because it only takes one bad one for us to be back to crossing our fingers and praying for the next Maye on draft day. Loved the 40-odd yard run against the Clots last season, where he climbed the pocket, saw daylight, tucked and ran. From that moment on, a defense has to play differently. Hated taking that much more fractional chance of injury.

This leads us to why it matters:
* Injury. Am I wrong that tendency to run raises the chance of injury?
* In-game decrements. It is undeniable that, for example, a throw out of bounds is significantly better than a 3-yard sack, especially at choice moments.
* Yes, with that arm, you dial up more long throws... what amount of erosion to the deep game do we get with insistence on quicker release?

And finally, the scariest part for the rest of the NFL...
If this is simple and coachable, how much better is Drake Maye when you can't slow him down, albeit slightly, with the high sack percentage?

I just woke up early and rather than do the sh!t I should be working on, thought I'd stir up some **** here.
 
He is a 23 year old QB in year one of a rebuild. He has been playing out of his mind, and we forget he has many growing pains still to come. The oline was abysmal last year and is playing so much better, but it still needs time and more talent. Its stunning that two rookies are starters. They ceilings are massive. I just think its a combo of everything right now.
 
Hes still learning and we probably (hopefully) need one more offseason to finish rebuilding the OL.

He still has a little bit of cleaning up to do on being a little more careful on the scrambles but i see improvements there too this year.

Wont all happen overnight but i dont see this being a long term problem like with Luck
 
Points 1-10, I love Drake Maye, he knows his game, he knows what he's doing, and he's managing some pretty impressive games while getting sacked at historic rates,, but...

...what do you do about the sacks?

(or do you?)

Spoiler: Drake himself says "
it's on me"

So, there's indecisiveness, there's protection, and there's failed escapes. I'll take the unlikeliest culprit first, protection.

This is a Myles Garrett sizzle reel from (we have to assume) a butt-hurt Brownies fan establishing that Myles Garrett won his part of the game sort of like how T.O. won his part of the super bowl once.


Anybody who can count Mississippis can see that there's plenty of protection to get him to 3.5 seconds, the oft-quoted league average, in most of these sack plays (I didn't quickly find an "all sacks" clip, but this takes us through 5 of them).

I invite folks to counter with clips of the line just getting beaten by the D, but that's not what happens here. He's getting 4+ & usually 5+ seconds before he has to deal with the sack.

Next, indecision. The good news is, this is coachable. Just get the ball out. This is pro football. There are really big fast guys paid a lot to eff up your highlight reel (or more generously, paid to mess up your desire to excel in service of the team.) Basically, Drake says this is the issue: Get the ball out faster. He's upside-down Brady: he does have that escapability and speed, and he sometimes spins it into gold. But sometimes it perhaps adds to overestimating time till sack.

It's a beautiful thing to have a sky-high completion percentage. It's a little ugly to pad it with sacks taken instead of incompletions out of bounds where called for.

Finally, there's "technical" sacks where the idea is to exploit his legs, whether on a designed run/option, or creating a run threat. That's a risk it helps the team to take, to an extent. But it is still the case that running QBs are at greater risk of injury, so I love every successful scamper, and none of them specifically look like cause for concern, but I hate seeing a high number of runs, because it only takes one bad one for us to be back to crossing our fingers and praying for the next Maye on draft day. Loved the 40-odd yard run against the Clots last season, where he climbed the pocket, saw daylight, tucked and ran. From that moment on, a defense has to play differently. Hated taking that much more fractional chance of injury.

This leads us to why it matters:
* Injury. Am I wrong that tendency to run raises the chance of injury?
* In-game decrements. It is undeniable that, for example, a throw out of bounds is significantly better than a 3-yard sack, especially at choice moments.
* Yes, with that arm, you dial up more long throws... what amount of erosion to the deep game do we get with insistence on quicker release?

And finally, the scariest part for the rest of the NFL...
If this is simple and coachable, how much better is Drake Maye when you can't slow him down, albeit slightly, with the high sack percentage?

I just woke up early and rather than do the sh!t I should be working on, thought I'd stir up some **** here.

He is probably the MVP favorite. The last thing we want to do is turn him into a checkdown king.
Maye had shown the willingness and ability to successfully make perfect throws into tight windows. He isn’t hesitating to throw, the early progressions aren’t getting open in many cases. Maye has been incredible when extending the play, why would you take that away from him so he can dump off for 2 yard gains?

You can eliminate every sack if you run a dunk and dunk offense that takes away his strengths. That doesn’t make the offense or team better.
 
Are you saying "Drake Maye release" or "release Drake Maye"?

Order counts in English syntax.
 
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Incorporating henderson more into the pass game will help. But that will come in time.

Maye understanding the average time available to throw will help too. If it’s not there within so many seconds, check down. Or if the check down is open right away, hit it.

Continued improvement of pocket presence. Shuffling into a new launch point to buy an extra second. Allen did this against kc on Sunday. Brady was a master at it.

And overall just reading defenses faster. That’ll come with more experience.
 
I have seen on here the complaining of him flushing out of the pocket too soon at times and also standing tall in the pocket too long at other times. I truly think that over the next season or two the game slows down more for him and his spatial awareness continues to grow. The Pats can by design reduce the number of potential sacks by simply incorporating more designed plays with him rolling out and throwing on the move. This is something he does well and it reduces the chance that he makes an incorrect decision as to stand pat or pop smoke and go. Its all a balance for Josh to find the right amount of each type of play and allowing Drake to grow while minimizing risk to reward or injury.
 
Incorporating henderson more into the pass game will help. But that will come in time.

Maye understanding the average time available to throw will help too. If it’s not there within so many seconds, check down. Or if the check down is open right away, hit it.

Continued improvement of pocket presence. Shuffling into a new launch point to buy an extra second. Allen did this against kc on Sunday. Brady was a master at it.

And overall just reading defenses faster. That’ll come with more experience.
Allen and Mahomes are both excellent at moving just enough to let a defender whif past them to make a throw. They never seem to really panic when the charge is coming, its like watching a matador and a bull.
 
Allen and Mahomes are both excellent at moving just enough to let a defender whif past them to make a throw. They never seem to really panic when the charge is coming, its like watching a matador and a bull.

They are the gold standards of pocket awareness in today’s game. Burrow too.

It’s not to say Drake has bad awareness. He’s got very good awareness. But there’s little things he can improve on to be even better. And let’s not forget he’s got two rookies on the oline. With more experience he’ll recognize the different types of pockets that will present itself and how it’s going to be blocked up by the guys up front. I do believe guys like Brady, Mahomes, Allen and Rodgers in his prime realized this and that’s part of what made them great. They know when to shuffle to a new launch point within the pocket.
 
Throwing it away to live for another down/preserve a fg attempt is not a bad thing. Every possession will not end with six points. McDaniels/Vrabel/QB coach need to help him with this. Oh, a punt isn't a terrible thing either.

The running thing is good for 3rd down must have it. Or even if there is a clear lane. If a 350 pound defender is waiting, I'm not sure running towards him is a risk worth taking.

The running thing concerns me because of what happened to RG3, Daniels, and even Lamar here and there.

The fact he has been this good and has not thrown for 300 yards shows that yards is an overrated stat.
 
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What I just discovered that blows my mind is he's actually getting sacked more often this year than last. (Feel free to check my math on this.)

According to the stats at Pro Football Reference he was in for 681 snaps last year and got sacked 34 times, or a 5% sack rate. This year he's been in for 563 snaps and has the same number of sacks, 34 or a 6% sack rate. Over time that adds up.

When I first watched his highlights before he was drafted I thought to myself that he seems to be a guy who runs at the first sign of danger, which can make for some big plays but can also get you RGIII'd. I remember members of the Patriots community crapping all over a certain post Brady Patriots QB who shall remain nameless for doing the same thing, so I wonder if we can get some consistency here. Nick Cattles of Locked on Patriots believes that 2 of the sacks on Sunday were on Drake, but I'm too poor for All 22 so I don't know if that's true.
 
Are you saying "Drake Maye release" or "release Drake Maye"?

Order counts in English syntax.
Ha - accidental clickbait of the year. I did not mean to suggest that we release the MVP candidate

I meant, does his release need fixing, does protection need fixing, does the decision-making need fixing, a combination, or as some here surprisingly say, don't fix anything yet because he's not injured and we beat a bunch of middling teams (and one good one).

I'd like to see more balls thrown away and the resulting lower completion percentage. (Just kidding/being counterintuitive.) Sometimes, to quote Mean Girls, "Stop trying to make "Fetch" happen, Gretchen. "Fetch" isn't going to happen." With "fetch," of course, being the extended-play first down, as opposed to the sack you did not need to take. I think "less Superman, more boredom, don't get injured, don't lose yards/some possessions on sacks."

Where we're adding a dimension by threatening the run -- whether designed or judiciously dialed up by Maye -- I have no problem. As you can easily see, all this turns on judgement. But it's easy to say "yeah I'm going for it." The hard part for a Maye to learn will be to not try to make a play. Pretty counterintuitive.

I want this for him more based on injury than negative plays

EDIT - title fixed
 
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Ha - accidental clickbait of the year. I did not mean to suggest that we release the MVP candidate

I meant, does his release need fixing, does protection need fixing, does the decision-making need fixing, a combination, or as some here surprisingly say, don't fix anything yet because he's not injured and we beat a bunch of middling teams (and one good one).

I'd like to see more balls thrown away and the resulting lower completion percentage. (Just kidding/being counterintuitive.) Sometimes, to quote Mean Girls, "Stop trying to make "Fetch" happen, Gretchen. "Fetch" isn't going to happen." With "fetch," of course, being the extended-play first down, as opposed to the sack you did not need to take. I think "less Superman, more boredom, don't get injured, don't lose yards/some possessions on sacks."

Where we're adding a dimension by threatening the run -- whether designed or judiciously dialed up by Maye -- I have no problem. As you can easily see, all this turns on judgement. But it's easy to say "yeah I'm going for it." The hard part for a Maye to learn will be to not try to make a play. Pretty counterintuitive.

I want this for him more based on injury than negative plays
Why do people insist on taking the guy who is playing like an MVP by being aggressive and try to turn him into Chad Pennington.

Throwing the ball away, checking down, being afraid to take a hit and all BAD things compared to what Maye does.
 
Your Team has won 6 games in a row. Their 23 year old QB is playing as well as any QB in the league putting up numbers that put him in the company of all-time greats including the dog cloner himself. And, some genius fan starts a thread about “fixing” him. Perfection isn’t a possibility; we just try to get better and hope it turns out to be good enough.
 
50% of Mayes 2025 sacks - 17
75% of Mayes INTs - 3
66% of Mayes fumbles - 4

Were vs

PITT - 5 sacks - 1 INT and 1 fumble.
CLE - 6 sacks - 1 INT and 1 fumble.
ATL - 6 sacks - 1 INT and 2 fumbles.

Defenses are beginning to discover what makes Maye tick.
 
Allen and Mahomes are both excellent at moving just enough to let a defender whif past them to make a throw. They never seem to really panic when the charge is coming, its like watching a matador and a bull.
Unfortunately, though the line has improved some, they still aren’t a good unit. It’s amazing how great Maye has played, considering he might have the LEAST amount of time to throw in the league. On some plays, defenders are in the backfield in 1 or 1.5 seconds. On plays they block well, Maye has killed defenses.

I do kinda wish Maye worked on delivering the ball faster. Some of my favorite QBs got rid of the ball so fast, especially Brady. Hopefully that comes for Maye as he improves on reading defense (he’s pretty damned good) and knows the offense better than anyone (pretty damned good already). Quick releases help the QB tremendously.

I think Maye has played the best two defenses he will play all year (Cleveland & Atlanta). Hopefully Boutte isn’t gone too long, he seemed to struggle after losing him (once again, Atlanta has a good defense, credit to them).
 
Your Team has won 6 games in a row. Their 23 year old QB is playing as well as any QB in the league putting up numbers that put him in the company of all-time greats including the dog cloner himself. And, some genius fan starts a thread about “fixing” him. Perfection isn’t a possibility; we just try to get better and hope it turns out to be good enough.
Oh, we had perfection in NE, mallrat. Not like your team. What is it, anyway?

We also have whatever amount of awareness it takes to be wary of running QBs, based on what too often happens to running QBs. Doesn't take a genius.
 
50% of Mayes 2025 sacks - 17
75% of Mayes INTs - 3
66% of Mayes fumbles - 4

Were vs

PITT - 5 sacks - 1 INT and 1 fumble.
CLE - 6 sacks - 1 INT and 1 fumble.
ATL - 6 sacks - 1 INT and 2 fumbles.

Defenses are beginning to discover what makes Maye tick.

Those are also just the best defenses that have the personnel to make **** happen. Dunno if there's much discovery in "sack someone 5 times"; that'll generally rattle any QB play :/

It's like saying the Giants discovered a plan no one else thought of against the Pats in the SB. The plan was pretty straightforward: constantly generate pressure on the middle. It was a matter of personnel.
 
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