NFL Trade Deadline Discourse

[Rob0729]

According to PFF he allowed 1 completion in 2 games. Feel free to cite any actual examples of him not playing well to back up you just saying it because you wanted to.

Moves are good or bad, they make your team stronger or weaker.
By definition if you subtract the guy you chose only when a safety was injured you are weaker if you have another injury.
They didn’t gain any “overpriced” advantage because they are still paying him and the guy who replaces him in the roster.

If Duggar want Duggar we wouldn’t be taking about Duggar? Genius.

I don't take PFF seriously. Never did. You can check my history on it. They are horrible especially when they assign blame on things like giving up completions. Many times they just assign it to the guy closest to the receiver even if they weren't at fault.

Again, this trade showed what the coaching staff felt about how well Dugger played. They thought he was a liability. Otherwise they wouldn't have traded them. I will take their judgement over PFF.

And again, who says this makes the team weaker? And even if it is, we are talking about a back up safety who barely plays. You are acting like they traded the Dugger from 2023. He is no longer that guy. This was a nothing move that you are acting like will sink this team. Fact is whether this trade is good or bad, the team is basically the same team it was before the Dugger trade.

 

[DoubleDeluxe]

Well the roster spot is taken and he must remain for 3(?) weeks.
As of now is all you can judge.
As of now it’s a bad move.
As things develop that could change.

You are spending a lot of time talking about something only to say you refuse to talk about it.

Reacting to roster moves and how they affect the team is very different from reacting to gossip and rumors about practice

Once again you post things that aren’t there.
I never said I refuse to talk about, not once!
I said I will wait to make a judgment, and I will.
And you don’t have to retain that roster spot for 3 weeks. You have to pay him for a more minimum of 3 weeks, you can cut him at any time.

 

[Ring 6]

No, that tells you how little they think of Dugger. They didn't trade away Dugger and say "Oh crap, what did we just do?". This was the plan. The plan was to trade away Dugger and pick up this guy.

And as bad as the Dolphins are, safety is a deep position for them. There been cases of people stealing UDFAs from other teams' practice squad and making them productive players or even stars. This kid could turn into a good role player or more.

No they trade away Duggar and I said oh crap what have they done.
The plan was a a bad one.

It’s not good because they did it, which is what your argument amounts to.

Miami is not deep at S. They have Fitzpatrick and a bunch of journeymen backups and rookies.
In fact they have both a 5th round pick and UDFA rookies at S that kept our new player on the practice squad.
Do you actually think before you post or do you just name things up and hope no one notices?

 

[Rob0729]

I think this may be overspeculation than anything based in fact. I think the Pats would definitely be in on trading for Brown, but I still don't think he will be available at least until March of next year.

 

[Rob0729]

No they trade away Duggar and I said oh crap what have they done.
The plan was a a bad one.

It’s not good because they did it, which is what your argument amounts to.

Miami is not deep at S. They have Fitzpatrick and a bunch of journeymen backups and rookies.
In fact they have both a 5th round pick and UDFA rookies at S that kept our new player on the practice squad.
Do you actually think before you post or do you just name things up and hope no one notices?

LOL! There were reports that they were actually trying to see if they could trade him before the season and they finally trade him last night and literally minutes later (not hours, not days, but literally minutes) have sellers' regret and desperately scan other team's practice squads for a replacement? You really believe that? They were so desperate to trade him that they were willing to eat most of this years salary and the immediately after they traded him realized they made a huge mistake? That is your argument?

And the Dolphins' safety room is not remarkable, but deep. They some decent depth. They aren't world beaters, but it is deep position for them.

And who cares where the back up safety was drafted. You are talking back ups at one of the most devalued positions on the team. Guys like Julian Edelman were UDFAs. Where you are drafted only counts for so much after you are drafted.

You might not want to admonish people about thinking before posting when you make arguments like this.

 

[40yrpatsfan]

No they trade away Duggar and I said oh crap what have they done.
The plan was a a bad one.

It’s not good because they did it, which is what your argument amounts to.

Miami is not deep at S. They have Fitzpatrick and a bunch of journeymen backups and rookies.
In fact they have both a 5th round pick and UDFA rookies at S that kept our new player on the practice squad.
Do you actually think before you post or do you just name things up and hope no one notices?

Many of your posts would be better if you just left off the last sentence.

 

[mike_usagisan]

Are people going to be upset if the Patriots don't end up making any additions by trade by the deadline?

 

[mayoclinic]

People are going to be upset no matter what the Pats do.

 

[n1997y]

Are people going to be upset if the Patriots don't end up making any additions by trade by the deadline?

Why would that make anyone stop being upset?

We’ve got a bunch of posters on here upset that we are 6-2 and second seed because on paper we don’t look like their idea of the perfect team.

Not making a trade will rub salt in their sores.

 

[Rob0729]

Are people going to be upset if the Patriots don't end up making any additions by trade by the deadline?

It seems pretty certain they will be acquiring a player or players before the trade deadline. I think the better question is whether people will be upset if they don't make a big acquisition and only add a contributor or two or a lesser player than some of the bigger names reportedly available.

 

[TommyD4207]

In no universe would Dobbs be a factor in any trade involving Addison.

Depends how DeVito's looked in practice.

 

[n1997y]

PLAN ONE - A VETERAN SIGNED LAST WEEK

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I don’t think Grant is going to be with us long. Really doubt he’s the solution or even a contributor. His career arc is going in the wrong direction.

2021 - drafted in second round by Falcons. Signed four year contract. Spent rookie year as backup.
2022 - starting strong safety
2023 - starting safety
2024 - beaten out for starting role by veteran Justin Simmons. Played primarily on special teams and rarely on defense.
2025 - signed 1 year contract with SF in March. Released August 28. Signed to Patriots practice squad October 15.

So he lost his job last year, and this year he couldn’t make the Niners roster nor could he get on anybody’s PS until Patriots picked him up two weeks ago.

Patriots probably picked him up for depth getting ready to ship Dugger out the door.

And after seeing him here for two weeks when Dugger’s roster slot opened up they decided to fill it by signing UDFA rookie John Saunders Jr off Miami’s PS instead of elevating Grant.

I’d say Grant’s only hope is to ball out in practice for the next couple of weeks and show Vrabel & company he’s the man not Saunders. But I’m looking at 2024 and 2025 to date and doubting he can do that.

 

[Ring 6]

I don't take PFF seriously. Never did. You can check my history on it. They are horrible especially when they assign blame on things like giving up completions. Many times they just assign it to the guy closest to the receiver even if they weren't at fault.

Again, this trade showed what the coaching staff felt about how well Dugger played. They thought he was a liability. Otherwise they wouldn't have traded them. I will take their judgement over PFF.

And again, who says this makes the team weaker? And even if it is, we are talking about a back up safety who barely plays. You are acting like they traded the Dugger from 2023. He is no longer that guy. This was a nothing move that you are acting like will sink this team. Fact is whether this trade is good or bad, the team is basically the same team it was before the Dugger trade.

I see you also gave absolutely nothing to back up your claim he didn’t okay week, diverting to complain about PFF.

You realize your argument about whether the patriots made a bad move or not amounts to “The Patriots did it, that proves it was good” right?

He played most all of the snaps in 2 of our 6 wins. Thats not barely playing

 

[TommyD4207]

I see you also gave absolutely nothing to back up your claim he didn’t okay week, diverting to complain about PFF.

You realize your argument about whether the patriots made a bad move or not amounts to “The Patriots did it, that proves it was good” right?

He played most all of the snaps in 2 of our 6 wins. Thats not barely playing

You're the only person here saying "Dugger was playing well, actually".

The only person *anywhere* that I can see.

 

[dliverey44]

If Diggs is the only one that can beat man coverage, why do other teams play zone at all?

They all can beat man. Pop is actually the best vs man according to player profiler. Mind you these are separation stats during targets from player profiler and then Next gen separation stats(presumably all routes). My guess is that teams run zone, because of mobile QBs and it is easier to disguise coverages in zone vs man.


Player Profiler Next Gen

Booty	1.18/1.64	2.5
Diggs	1.21/2.20	2.7
Pop	1.33/2.57	4.2
Addison	2.14/1.95	3.0

 

[Rob0729]

I see you also gave absolutely nothing to back up your claim he didn’t okay week, diverting to complain about PFF.

You realize your argument about whether the patriots made a bad move or not amounts to “The Patriots did it, that proves it was good” right?

He played most all of the snaps in 2 of our 6 wins. Thats not barely playing

I have the fact the Patriots traded Dugger for next to nothing and ate most of his salary to back up my claim. You don't need PFF's subjective stats to know how well the coaching staff thought he played.

And how much did he play in games where Hawkins was active and healthy. He only played when they had to to play him.

I am tired of arguing with you. The Patriots traded away a mediocre back up safety who used to be a good starter two years ago. It was a nothing move made larger because the player used to be good and has a large contract. Otherwise, it is a minor trade of little significance. Doesn't deserve this much discussion.

 

[dliverey44]

You're the only person here saying "Dugger was playing well, actually".

The only person *anywhere* that I can see.

I would not say the Dugger played well, but I wouldn't say he was a disaster either. He was ok

 

[p8ryts]

Many reasons. First of all he is only WR who can beat man CONSISTENTLY
Our TEs and RBs are good receivers so you expose your safeties and lbs by playing man.
Maye has shown a great ability to extend plays and find receivers breaking free vs man.
Mayes running ability and willingness makes man less attractive
Some teams don’t like to play man much.

Are you saying we have other WRs that torch man coverage consistently?

No, just responding to the previous post. Thank you for your response.

 

[TommyD4207]

I would not say the Dugger played well, but I wouldn't say he was a disaster either. He was ok

First play of the Saints game.

 

[203Pat]

Depends how DeVito's looked in practice.

I mean it more from the Vikings side. I don’t think that Dobbs factors in at all as any sort of addition to a draft pick in a trade.