State of the Patriots Q1 - 2025

[mgteich]

I expected 4-1 at this point with the Bills a loss, I did give a possible 3-2 due to new coaching system tends to take time so they are about where I thought they'd be.

I'm not concerned about defenses figuring out Maye. His stats against disguised coverage is elite. The biggest thing is the more Maye sees what defenses do the more he will learn how to beat them. The first half of Buffalo vs second half was a perfect example.

The adjustments Maye made from first half to second half was unbelievable. Yeah, he will still get confused this year but eventually he'll see it all and then watch out.

He looks like he could eventually end up with Allen like playmaking but with Herbert like processing ability. That's kind of the perfect QB. Can't defend that. Just a question of when he gets to that level and exactly where he maxes out.

Drake needs to have much better processing ability in the pocket. He must learn to look forward and not to the ground late in plays,
He is a top 5 QB if he can learn even close to Herbert level processing ability.

 

[Real fan 02]

Drake needs to have much better processing ability in the pocket. He must learn to look forward and not to the ground late in plays,
He is a top 5 QB if he can learn even close to Herbert level processing ability.

I wouldn't use Herbert. Of course Herbert is a solid QB but he's at his potential IMO and is a postseason choke artist..Drake has a much higher ceiling than Herbert. I've never seen Herbert make the kind of throws Drake made to Diggs.

 

[KCSVEN]

I wouldn't use Herbert. Of course Herbert is a solid QB but he's at his potential IMO and is a postseason choke artist..Drake has a much higher ceiling than Herbert. I've never seen Herbert make the kind of throws Drake made to Diggs.

Herbert is not aggressive enough; he lacks a little of the Allen/Maye gunslinger mentality and he's not as mobile. But in terms of processing and going thru reads he's probably the best there is playing today. Maye in the second half was as good at processing as a QB can do.

I'm not sure I could pick another QB, plug them in for Maye in the 2nd half, and they win that game.
It was another level. There were SO many elite throws and elite decisions. Not normal in one half.
Of course, It's only a half, but for his age and experience, and new to a system, you just have to dream that eventually he does that for entire games.

 

[Real fan 02]

Herbert is not aggressive enough; he lacks a little of the Allen/Maye gunslinger mentality and he's not as mobile. But in terms of processing and going thru reads he's probably the best there is playing today. Maye in the second half was as good at processing as a QB can do.

I'm not sure I could pick another QB, plug them in for Maye in the 2nd half, and they win that game.
It was another level. There were SO many elite throws and elite decisions. Not normal in one half.
Of course, It's only a half, but for his age and experience, and new to a system, you just have to dream that eventually he does that for entire games.

Absolutely. Well said!!! I like Herbert he's a good qb and even better guy off the field. I'll take a young developing phenomenon with elite coaching Drake is just tapping into his potential IMO Herbert is already at his.

But that second half those plays he made we have to say were brady-esque.

 

[TommyD4207]

Herbert is not aggressive enough; he lacks a little of the Allen/Maye gunslinger mentality and he's not as mobile. But in terms of processing and going thru reads he's probably the best there is playing today. Maye in the second half was as good at processing as a QB can do.

I'm not sure I could pick another QB, plug them in for Maye in the 2nd half, and they win that game.
It was another level. There were SO many elite throws and elite decisions. Not normal in one half.
Of course, It's only a half, but for his age and experience, and new to a system, you just have to dream that eventually he does that for entire games.

It was enough for me to say to myself 'Call his agent, start working on the extension'.

It isn't going to be perfect every week, but he's the guy going forward, I'm sold. Considering where my thinking was in the offseason, it's a pretty big jump.

 

[State]

As Pats fans I think most of us are used to the 2 gapping set the edge type defense with 250 lb LBs. Nice to see this system working.

Now it emphasizes speed and aggression rather than read and react. That new NT is a stalwart, KyT, the Samoan Mormon. A revelation really.

 

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[mgteich]

Absolutely. Well said!!! I like Herbert he's a good qb and even better guy off the field. I'll take a young developing phenomenon with elite coaching Drake is just tapping into his potential IMO Herbert is already at his.

But that second half those plays he made we have to say were brady-esque.

Let's be clear. This is a patriot board, so we are almost forced to say that Maye is better than Herbert. We can ignore ratings of QB's at this time in the season. Maye does have better stats than many. But let us consider wher the QB's are rated as players.
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I expect that we'd be 5-0 with Herbert, surely 4-1.
Sure, Maye's 2nd half was awesome and better than one would expect of Herbert.
Perhaps we should have scored more with our first half possibilities. How may open receivers were missed?
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THAT BEING SAID
We have our franchise QB who will become a top 5 QB with our personnel management, Vrabel and Josh.

 

[BobDigital]

Considering we are five games into a rebuild and culture change, I couldn't be happier with where we are. That doesn't mean there aren't gaps.

1. The running game needs to be improved. It puts a lot of pressure on Maye. Thankfully he's been up more than up to the challenge. Will need an off-season to fix.

2. Not enough clean wins off the edge in pass rush. Our edge rushers need help either from interior pressure flushing QBs into them or from blitzes. Will also need an off-season to fix.

3. Too many catches over the middle. I think Woodson will be better in this department as he adapts to the pace of the NFL game. I'm less concerned about this than one and two.

As for Maye, he's been lights out although there are a couple of flaws still which i'm confident he will fix with experience.

1. Pocket presence - an issue which was highlighted during the Bills game. That will come with time.

2. The deep ball game. It would be nice to see him test defenses vertically more often. I'm fine with him gaining confidence within McDaniels' new system first before airing it out though. However, there will be games in our future where we'll need him to throw for 300-400 yards, something he has yet to do I believe.

The main 2 things that concern me about Maye are pocket presence and vision. He seems blind to the deep left side of the play isn't designed to go there sometimes

 

[n1997y]

I expect that we'd be 5-0 with Herbert, surely 4-1.

you think Herbert would’ve overcome the poor play by everybody else especially the D in the season opener?

you think Herbert would’ve overcome the mistakes, penalties, and turnovers against the Steelers?

Really?

SMH

 

[signbabybrady]

The main 2 things that concern me about Maye are pocket presence and vision. He seems blind to the deep left side of the play isn't designed to go there sometimes

Spray chart looks pretty balanced

 

[Real fan 02]

Let's be clear. This is a patriot board, so we are almost forced to say that Maye is better than Herbert. We can ignore ratings of QB's at this time in the season. Maye does have better stats than many. But let us consider wher the QB's are rated as players.
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vent over
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OK
I expect that we'd be 5-0 with Herbert, surely 4-1.
Sure, Maye's 2nd half was awesome and better than one would expect of Herbert.
Perhaps we should have scored more with our first half possibilities. How may open receivers were missed?
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THAT BEING SAID
We have our franchise QB who will become a top 5 QB with our personnel management, Vrabel and Josh.

Valid points.

What we can all attest to is we've seen elite play at the QB position for 19 seasons.

A reign never ever to be replicated by anyone ever again. We went through 5 seasons post Brady into the NFL abyss.

Now we injected the organization with compentecency to develop our young QB.

My honest assessment on Herbert is a great guy, good QB, gets his team to the post season but fizzles. He has been surrounded with talent to start his career Allen, Williams and others.

He got a top tier coach last season and the results in the postseason were still the same.

Drake is just starting to tap into his potential. The plays that Drake makes are off his instincts and natural talents especially when the play breaks down, Drake possesses elite traits that you see in top tier QBs.

 

[Real fan 02]

The main 2 things that concern me about Maye are pocket presence and vision. He seems blind to the deep left side of the play isn't designed to go there sometimes

The replay is slowed down. Look at the arm angle, the precision, the accuracy the vision downfield. Drake is becoming elite.

 

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[Real fan 02]

you think Herbert would’ve overcome the poor play by everybody else especially the D in the season opener?

you think Herbert would’ve overcome the mistakes, penalties, and turnovers against the Steelers?

Really?

SMH

For some strange reason some overrate Herbert i always gave him his flowers as a good QB just not on the level of a josh Allen and there's no shame in being a good QB. I feel Herbert is what he is.. a good qb that loses in the postseason.

 

[Real fan 02]

Spray chart looks pretty balanced

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Completion % is nuts!!

 

[DoubleDeluxe]

The replay is slowed down. Look at the arm angle, the precision, the accuracy the vision downfield. Drake is becoming elite.

I know what Bob is saying about the deep left.

There have been a few plays over the first 5 games where a WR has gotten free deep left, and Maye hasn't seen it. Obv not the first read, or else he wouldn't have missed it, but still we've missed a few big potential plays deep left. I'm sure as he continues to progress he will start to see those opportunities more.

 

[Real fan 02]

I know what Bob is saying about the deep left.

There have been a few plays over the first 5 games where a WR has gotten free deep left, and Maye hasn't seen it. Obv not the first read, or else he wouldn't have missed it, but still we've missed a few big potential plays deep left. I'm sure as he continues to progress he will start to see those opportunities more.

Yes agreed there... I was just eluding that drakes arm angle, his accuracy wich allegedly was a concern coming out of UNC.. 74% completion is remarkable. I believe we see the offense become even more multiple once Drake sees on film Williams beats CBs by at least a yard downfield. Need to start this week in NO. Need to give DCs another thing to have to worry about.

 

[TommyD4207]

I know what Bob is saying about the deep left.

There have been a few plays over the first 5 games where a WR has gotten free deep left, and Maye hasn't seen it. Obv not the first read, or else he wouldn't have missed it, but still we've missed a few big potential plays deep left. I'm sure as he continues to progress he will start to see those opportunities more.

Maybe this week, because McKinistry typically doesn't travel.

 

[Real fan 02]

I know what Bob is saying about the deep left.

There have been a few plays over the first 5 games where a WR has gotten free deep left, and Maye hasn't seen it. Obv not the first read, or else he wouldn't have missed it, but still we've missed a few big potential plays deep left. I'm sure as he continues to progress he will start to see those opportunities more.

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