PATRIOTS NEWS Patriots / Vikings Joint Practice - Aug. 14, Day 2

[captain stone]

Your logic seems to be that a 2nd or 3rd rounder from a recent draft should be a foundational starter. OK

You then conclude if the aren't a starter that they should be cut. That simply doesn't follow. If a recent 2nd or 3rd round pick can be a solid backup, then he makes the 53. The fact that we hoped for more is irrelevant.

No, his conclusion is that they're all in danger of being cut because they're injured/sucking. If they weren't, then they'd be under solid consideration for backup positions, although recent 2nd- & 3rd-round picks should indeed be your franchise's foundational starters.

 

[captain stone]

When are we allowed to be concerned?

They'll let us know when, but not a moment sooner.

 

[DoubleDeluxe]

No, his conclusion is that they're all in danger of being cut because they're injured/sucking. If they weren't, then they'd be under solid consideration for backup positions, although recent 2nd- & 3rd-round picks should indeed be your franchise's foundational starters.

One would hope, but that's not really the case. Using a pretty large sample size, the % chance a 3rd round pick becomes a longtime starter is around 16%. 2nd round around 34%. So theoretically one would like to think 2nd and 3rd picks should "indeed be your franchise's foundational starters", but history proves otherwise.

 

[captain stone]

"Honey hole"?

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Pretty sure no one said that.

This is Ashley level dramatic.

Is this the “we’re back to no one can ever be critical or objective” board?

I can adapt if so but y’all have to tell us the situation.

I don’t believe Campbell is a LT.

I believe he’ll be a terrific guard.

But they have no LT so the kid’s being selfless.

It’s not that deep.

You might be right. Run blocking is not a LT trait to admire. The LT is supposed to be an elite pass blocker, being an elite run blocker goes without saying for the LT. If the Pats get a left tackle in the 2026 draft, and Campbell goes to LG, and Wilson goes to Center that would be awesome.

We will see what happens. Greenard saying Campbell will be a great tackle is not comforting. What else is Greenard going to say?

 

[captain stone]

That was Jacobs getting beat, not Moses.

That was Moses getting beat, not Jacobs.

Numbers had me thought it was 76.

You were right the first time: it was indeed 76.

 

[captain stone]

There is no reason to believe that there will be better OL's available on the waiver wire. We picked up several last year. Jacobs was the best of the lot, and not really worthy of a roster spot, even after starting for almost a year.

Zachary Thomas should've been kept here all of last season so he could've competed for one of the backup OT spots this season instead of even worse crap like Wallace & Jacobs.

 

[captain stone]

Perhaps they should play some games before you say they suck.

This is what we were told last year too...and the year before that... and the year before that... and the year before that... and the year before that... and the year before that.

 

[captain stone]

You don’t understand, the rookie LT who has never played in an NFL game giving up a sack versus a top 5 DE in the league means he’s a complete and total bust, FOREVER

Don't be an Ashley. That post should be beneath you.

 

[captain stone]

Campbell is the left tackle on this team, will be for years and will be a pro bowl-caliber player...

And you know this how...?

 

[captain stone]

We will see what happens. Greenard saying Campbell will be a great tackle is not comforting. What else is Greenard going to say?

Exactly. More unfilling word salad from the land where never is heard a discouraging word.

 

[Ring 6]

And you know this how...?

I travelled to the future.
It’s a prediction.

 

[DaBruinz]

Thanks for the excellent description, and I hope I do it justice with my response.

Without seeing it my self, I don't think my response would be much different if I did. You probably are correct in your individual comments on the mistakes being made. My solution, while simplistic, is probably the correct one.

To quote a Viking all pro DE, "Reps man, they need reps". It's a new offense, new language, all new players playing together for the first time. Regardless of the individual talent an OL is a UNIT and not just individuals, each playing one on one.

In your description you gave a good description of all the movement and things that occur in a single play. And its a LOT of ****. The thing that worries me most right now are not the individual players, but are they going to get enough LIVE reps against challenging defenses to develop the cohesion that is necessary to become a solid OL capable to power an offense?

Unfortunately, the answer to that question, for me, is NO. At least not to the ceiling we have for this group. Maybe it's not just that this has been "camp cake". Perhaps even the boot camps of old wouldn't be enough reps to do the job. Like most things it's a "process" and must run it's course, and it's the staff's job to minimize the damage while the learning process occurs.

It is what it is, etc. So when it looks bad some games we just have to take it and hope that it is just a bump in the road that we have to overcome. EVERY good team overcomes MULITIPLE bouts of adversity over the course of a season.

If I can infer from the stats I read. Maye dropped back 22-24 times and Campbell allowed 2 sacks and a pressure against good talent and complex looks. When you think on it, that doesn't suck really You want it to be better, but for the 2nd time out. Let's see how the actual game goes. Ideally I'd like to see Mike give the starters at least 3 series.

Apologies. I thought the vid was in the post I responded to.

Here it is.

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PATRIOTS NEWS Post in thread 'Patriots / Vikings Joint Practice - Aug. 14, Day 2'

Aug 14, 2025

Could be worse at tackle, on the other side Jacobs is getting a TE chip and still let the guy run right by him. I hope Moses lasts the whole season. Marcus Bryant has to be better than Jacobs. Edit: Moses is the one beat here. Not Jacobs

• KCSVEN

 

[Ring 6]

This is what we were told last year too...and the year before that... and the year before that... and the year before that... and the year before that... and the year before that.

And?

 

[Ring 6]

You might be right. Run blocking is not a LT trait to admire. The LT is supposed to be an elite pass blocker, being an elite run blocker goes without saying for the LT. If the Pats get a left tackle in the 2026 draft, and Campbell goes to LG, and Wilson goes to Center that would be awesome.

We will see what happens. Greenard saying Campbell will be a great tackle is not comforting. What else is Greenard going to say?

Run blocking is a very important trait.

 

[DaBruinz]

Exactly. More unfilling word salad from the land where never is heard a discouraging word.

O Stuff it. You don't even know who Greenard is. He could have easily have said that Campbell was a chump and that the Pats made a mistake. He IS an opposing player.

 

[Ring 6]

Here is what I see that:

Jonathan Allen (vikings #93) starts on the Bradbury's Left shoulder, but moves to the Bradbury's right shoulder almost immediately. Bradbury is actually positioned as if to wall off Allen going to the right instead of being squared up. Bradbury's first step is back with his left foot and is immediately out of position to handle Allen's move.

Blake Cashman #51 looks to be lined up opposite Jacobs, but, at the snap moves as if he's going to stunt around Allen, only to cut back towards Jacobs Moses. Onwneu looks like he's initially going to take Cashman, sees Cashman move as if too stunt, so he move's to take Allen, but backs up too much, having fallen for Cashman's fake.

Hooper full turns and engages with Dallas Turner, but let's him go, not realizing that Cashman faked stunting inside and is still coming at Jacobs Moses.

Jacobs Moses is left hanging as to whether or not to engage Cashman or move out to Turner. That's why he was late picking Turner up.

To me, the issue starts with Bradbury's stance telegraphing what he's going to do blocking wise. Which throws off Onwenu's actions and then Jacobs Moses.

I would love @patfanken to weigh in because, to me, that seems like screw-ups by Bradbury and Hooper since Hooper should be aware of the rusher opposite Jacobs Moses and that he's likely to be tied up..

EDIT: Corrected for the proper OT in the picture.

Bradbury did absolutely nothing wrong.

 

[patfanken]

Apologies. I thought the vid was in the post I responded to.

Here it is.

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PATRIOTS NEWS Post in thread 'Patriots / Vikings Joint Practice - Aug. 14, Day 2'

Aug 14, 2025

Could be worse at tackle, on the other side Jacobs is getting a TE chip and still let the guy run right by him. I hope Moses lasts the whole season. Marcus Bryant has to be better than Jacobs. Edit: Moses is the one beat here. Not Jacobs

• KCSVEN

In this clip (which doesn't seem like the one you described) Jacobs is the culprit here and it IS bad since he got a good chip by the TE and allowed the Edge to just blow by him untouched.

Campbell is too high and off balance and slow off the mark and yet when the play ends he IS between the QB and the defender. Not good or pretty but he DID do his job here. Actually it showed me a plus. That even when his technique is off he can still manage to recover and get in the way,

The LG in this play (?) was to high and back on his heals and driven back. Poor.

The C did a great job. Again I don't know who it was, but he sealed his guy on the LOS.

It wasn't a great rep for the Pats and Jacobs surely doesn't want it on his resume. It looked like what the OL ISN'T supposed to look like. 5 individual guys playing one on one instead of as a unit. Let's see what it looks like on Saturday.

 

[TommyD4207]

Chaisson was in coverage there, and that was awful, just clueless. No help from "Double-A" either.

This is like "Christian Elliss was in coverage" It should never happen.

 

[PP2]

In this clip (which doesn't seem like the one you described) Jacobs is the culprit here and it IS bad since he got a good chip by the TE and allowed the Edge to just blow by him untouched.

Campbell is too high and off balance and slow off the mark and yet when the play ends he IS between the QB and the defender. Not good or pretty but he DID do his job here. Actually it showed me a plus. That even when his technique is off he can still manage to recover and get in the way,

The LG in this play (?) was to high and back on his heals and driven back. Poor.

The C did a great job. Again I don't know who it was, but he sealed his guy on the LOS.

It wasn't a great rep for the Pats and Jacobs surely doesn't want it on his resume. It looked like what the OL ISN'T supposed to look like. 5 individual guys playing one on one instead of as a unit. Let's see what it looks like on Saturday.

This is the time to be making those mistakes and I'm glad that Vrabel is doing one joint practice after another.