PATRIOTS NEWS Patriots / Vikings Joint Practice - Aug. 14, Day 2

[Dec54]

When are we allowed to be concerned?

Your not

 

[KCSVEN]

Full article and longer quote

Campbell labored in Thursday’s joint practice against the Vikings, allowing two would-be sacks and a pressure to Vikings Pro Bowl defensive end Jonathan Greenard during 11-on-11 drills. He also appeared to be flagged for a false start during a two-minute drill.

Still, Greenard, who’s put together back-to-back double-digit sack campaigns, believes in Campbell’s future.

“He’s gonna be a good tackle. I think just with repetition and reps, it’s gonna be really good,” Greenard told the Herald. “He has some really good coaches over there. He’s got some good talent over there to go against, obviously, just keep getting better. But a guy like that needs reps, and that’s all it is. It’s a matter of just getting a feel, learning how to block in this league, learn how to protect yourself, learn how to protect with the chip, learn how to protect where your quarterback is and stuff like that. So repetition is gonna be his greatest asset, for sure.”

Vikings star defender evaluates Patriots’ Will Campbell after joint practice struggles

How Vikings pass rusher Jonathan Greenard evaluated Will Campbell after facing the Patriots rookie two days straight.

www.bostonherald.com

 

[sb1]

I agree, against certain top rushers. Then again the majority of Left Tackles should have some help.
Hopefully he's learned a thing or two today that will help him get better.

He was going up against an all pro pass rusher. I put this in the welcome to the NFL rook category. Great learning experience for him

 

[KCSVEN]

Sidy Sow is out of witness protection per Bedard:

• Patriots second team line went to LG Tyrese Robinson, C Cole Strange and Sidy Sow at RG toward the middle of red zone.

 

[Patjew]

I felt this way last week. Henderson will only likely off the field for breathers IMO.. he and rham have a nice mix of thunder and lightning. Henderson's RKs pick.. remember him saying he wants a "speed back"..

I have come to hate the word “thunder.”

 

[Ring 6]

I think the biggest issue of the last 3 years remains…O line is not good.

3 sets of coaches, same results.

Maybe it’s the players on the roster?

To me, lot of it isn’t on this staff.

BUT…

Bradbury looks awful, no real LG has emerged, RT has Moses but he’s old and probably one play away from done.

Campbell isn’t likely a goof LT and should be a guard.

All of that IS on this regime.

But the common denominator is Elliot Wolf.

He of “I think this is a solid O-line” fame from last preseason.

It’s possible he has no clue how to evaluate OL.

Time will tell, but I think yet again the O line will be what holds this team back.

Frustrating

Perhaps they should play some games before you say they suck.

 

[Ring 6]

Yeah, I want to watch Josh turn them both loose on deep routes at the same time.

I expect Henderson will get some snaps lined up outside as a pure receiver, sooner or later.

Like Deon Lewis did, empty backfield spread.

 

[DaBruinz]

Sounds like Campbell is having a rough time out there today. Not that surprising.

I would expect a Rookie to have issues with a 5th year DE who has put up 12+ sacks each of the last 2 years.. This is great learning for Campbell. Hopefully, they have tape of it and he can focus on it and make the adjustments he needs.

Not sure if they are getting tape for study over-night or not, but I hope so.

 

[Ring 6]

I felt this way last week. Henderson will only likely off the field for breathers IMO.. he and rham have a nice mix of thunder and lightning. Henderson's RKs pick.. remember him saying he wants a "speed back"..

They will split roughly 50/50. That’s the way it’s done now and you don’t want Henderson taking a 300 touch beating.

 

[DaBruinz]

That is news to me, I looked up Brown and saw that he had one season in the NFL prior to the Patriots and only 1 game active.

It's interesting that your PS experience isn't counted by the sites tracking your career.

Pro-Football-reference.com

While the PS isn't tracked in terms of GAMES, it is tracked under transactions.

 

[203Pat]

You gotta love the beat writers reporting like it's the super bowl.

Please. If it was in our favor everyone would be lapping it up.

 

[203Pat]

Jesus some of you are worse in here than the GDTs. It is training camp, let things play out a bit.

 

[UGAPatsfan]

Perhaps they should play some games before you say they suck.

Directionally fair but…guessing you said that before last season too.

I knew Mayo was trash after his press conference.

I knew that O line wasn’t NFL quality it training camp.

I LOVE Vrabes and Josh.

But just don’t see much in the way of “upgrade” on the O line.

Love to be wrong.

 

[UGAPatsfan]

This is a very pessimistic outlook. Bradbury was known to be average at best. They have a guy to replace him, his name is Jared Wilson, but not this year. The real LG has emerged, it's also Jared Wilson, who has looked fantastic. Next year they will need a new LG, and I am sure they'll do their best to find one. Morgan Moses has had very very few injuries in his career, I doubt he's as fragile as you propose. Thankfully his backup Bryant has also looked good.

The OL is far better this year than it was in 2024. But they're not elite. And that's fine. There are like 2 or 3 total OLs in the league who would look good against Minnesota's defense.

They have the LG for 2026.

Will Campbell.

He’ll be all pro IMO.

Brandbury is what he is…solid run blocker who can’t lass pro.

Pressure up the middle isn’t what you want.

Again, truly hope to be dead wrong.

Rarely am.

 

[DaBruinz]

Could be worse at tackle, on the other side Jacobs is getting a TE chip and still let the guy run right by him. I hope Moses lasts the whole season. Marcus Bryant has to be better than Jacobs.

Here is what I see that:

Jonathan Allen (vikings #93) starts on the Bradbury's Left shoulder, but moves to the Bradbury's right shoulder almost immediately. Bradbury is actually positioned as if to wall off Allen going to the right instead of being squared up. Bradbury's first step is back with his left foot and is immediately out of position to handle Allen's move.

Blake Cashman #51 looks to be lined up opposite Jacobs, but, at the snap moves as if he's going to stunt around Allen, only to cut back towards Jacobs Moses. Onwneu looks like he's initially going to take Cashman, sees Cashman move as if too stunt, so he move's to take Allen, but backs up too much, having fallen for Cashman's fake.

Hooper full turns and engages with Dallas Turner, but let's him go, not realizing that Cashman faked stunting inside and is still coming at Jacobs Moses.

Jacobs Moses is left hanging as to whether or not to engage Cashman or move out to Turner. That's why he was late picking Turner up.

To me, the issue starts with Bradbury's stance telegraphing what he's going to do blocking wise. Which throws off Onwenu's actions and then Jacobs Moses.

I would love @patfanken to weigh in because, to me, that seems like screw-ups by Bradbury and Hooper since Hooper should be aware of the rusher opposite Jacobs Moses and that he's likely to be tied up..

EDIT: Corrected for the proper OT in the picture.

 

[DaBruinz]

Jacobs can't be on the 53. Right?

No. I think he's headed to the PS.

 

[Ross12]

Jesus some of you are worse in here than the GDTs. It is training camp, let things play out a bit.

You don’t understand, the rookie LT who has never played in an NFL game giving up a sack versus a top 5 DE in the league means he’s a complete and total bust, FOREVER

 

[Triumph]

This is a very pessimistic outlook. Bradbury was known to be average at best. They have a guy to replace him, his name is Jared Wilson, but not this year. The real LG has emerged, it's also Jared Wilson, who has looked fantastic. Next year they will need a new LG, and I am sure they'll do their best to find one. Morgan Moses has had very very few injuries in his career, I doubt he's as fragile as you propose. Thankfully his backup Bryant has also looked good.

The OL is far better this year than it was in 2024. But they're not elite. And that's fine. There are like 2 or 3 total OLs in the league who would look good against Minnesota's defense.

It is probably a good idea to tail back expectations for this season.

If Maye does not have time, the passing game is going to be mediocre. Better than last season, but not playoff caliber.

 

[Ross12]

It is probably a good idea to tail back expectations for this season.

If Maye does not have time, the passing game is going to be mediocre. Better than last season, but not playoff caliber.

I’m saying the OL will be better than last year which is not a high bar.

My expectation is 8-10 wins, which could be a playoff team, but might not be. It’ll be a thin margin. If they make it in, they probably won’t go far, but that’s fine.

 

[DaBruinz]

I think the biggest issue of the last 3 years remains…O line is not good.

3 sets of coaches, same results.

Maybe it’s the players on the roster?

To me, lot of it isn’t on this staff.

BUT…

Bradbury looks awful, no real LG has emerged, RT has Moses but he’s old and probably one play away from done.

Campbell isn’t likely a goof LT and should be a guard.

All of that IS on this regime.

But the common denominator is Elliot Wolf.

He of “I think this is a solid O-line” fame from last preseason.

It’s possible he has no clue how to evaluate OL.

Time will tell, but I think yet again the O line will be what holds this team back.

Frustrating

Why can't you have patience? You've been a football fan long enough to know that the O-line takes the LONGEST to gel. Especially when you have any rookies on it, Let alone 2. And 4 new starters.

You being frustrated about the O-line having a bad day against one of the top 5 D-lines in the league isn't justified, honestly.

Claiming that no LG has emerged when Wilson has emerged speaks volumes.

I'm not fan of Elliot Wolf, but your expectations are the issue right now.