Hollins As A Special Teamer

[Ring 6]

You claim Harry is a better receiver on a per-snap basis. Harry is a street free agent so he must be better than Hollins.

What I said was Hollins record of production is not impressive, it’s even as bad in terms of making receptions as NKeel Harry.
Surely you didn’t see that as a complete evaluation and comparison of the 2 players right?

I also said that at Hollins level of production in getting open and catching passes there wouldn’t be much drop off if any to whoever took his place since 3 guys we all agreed didn’t belong here we’re about the same.

Maybe you can tell me what you expect form Hollins so we can discuss the value over replacement

 

[Ring 6]

Did I say that?

Isn't far ahead of whom?

Yes, in fact you did. You said catches per snap is irrelevant when compared his to awful receivers who are similar.

Isn’t far ahead of the guys we bounced outta here.
KJ Osborne came in with much better production inside to opportunity.

It like you don’t think Hollins is a guy you have on your team when you can’t find WRs and think he’s a starting caliber guy. Do you?

 

[RobertWeathers]

What I said was Hollins record of production is not impressive, it’s even as bad in terms of making receptions as NKeel Harry.
Surely you didn’t see that as a complete evaluation and comparison of the 2 players right?

I have no idea what you are trying to say nor am I going to assume it. You lost me with the Harry comparison.

I also said that at Hollins level of production in getting open and catching passes there wouldn’t be much drop off if any to whoever took his place since 3 guys we all agreed didn’t belong here we’re about the same.

Drop off to whom?

Maybe you can tell me what you expect form Hollins so we can discuss the value over replacement

I don't think you can. Until someone on the current camp roster has proven they know the offense, are a reliable receiver, a very good run blocking WR, and can play special teams then we can discuss replacements.

 

[signbabybrady]

Kyle Williams Release package is Elite: he will be in the running for playing time.

So far I think most people would agree they like what they see. My hesitation might be a little PTSD from some of the previous receivers but also he was a third round pick not a first so I don't want to rush him through the process.

He's on the roster and I have hopes for him even as soon as this year but for purposes of this discussion I don't think we need to assume wether he's 3, 4, or 5 yet (or wether he could even be more).

From what I've seen so far Diggs and Pop are 1 and 2. Hollins and Boutte have gotten more reps at 3 than anyone else. And Williams has looked good at times. Given the reps at 3 they've got I think Boutte has looked good and I haven't really seen that much from Hollins but he had a slow start on the PUP.

After that Chism is starting to come on, Baker hasn't shown much but does seem to be getting interest from Vrabel that is at least worth noting. And Bourne and Polk are hurt and hard to factor in due to it but still remains the possibility that the coaches like them for now I'm kind of writing them off but wouldn't be shocked if the coaches think different.

I can't state it enough this is still very wide open and there are tons of nuances that will play into it and we just can't possibly have enough information to determine this. Any number of combinations can still play out.

 

[PatsFan2]

So far I think most people would agree they like what they see. My hesitation might be a little PTSD from some of the previous receivers but also he was a third round pick not a first so I don't want to rush him through the process.

He's on the roster and I have hopes for him even as soon as this year but I don't think we need to assume wether he's 3, 4, or 5 yet (or wether he could even be more).

From what I've seen so far Diggs and Pop are 1 and 2. Hollins and Boutte have gotten more reps at 3 than anyone else. And Williams has looked good at times. Given the reps at 3 they've got I think Boutte has looked good and I haven't really seen that much from Hollins but he had a slow start on the PUP.

After that Chism is starting to come on, Baker hasn't shown much but does seem to be getting interest from Vrabel that is at least worth noting. And Bourne and Polk are hurt and hard to factor in due to it but still remains the possibility that the coaches like them for now I'm kind of writing them off but wouldn't be shocked if the coaches think different.

I can't state it enough this is still very wide open and there are tons of nuances that will play into it and we just can't possibly have enough information to determine this. Any number of combinations can still play out.

I get it: I think our RB's and TE's are going open things up for our WR's. All our RB's can run and catch - Rham - Henderson and Gibby: throw in TE's Heny and Hooper. Our WR's should be playing catch with Drake Maye. That said I think Efton Chism may be much better than regarded I have him on the final 53.

 

[TommyD4207]

I've always considered 5 WR to be the norm. The PS rules make it so you can play with the numbers at any position a little more than in the past but I still tend to talk about the roster under the more old school numbers.

Every team except the Patriots typically keep 6 except for injuries.

 

[signbabybrady]

Every team except the Patriots typically keep 6 except for injuries.

But my Madden 07 says different lol. I'm fine with 6 but 7 makes me cringe at that point poop or get off the pot make a decision and live with it. Either you get the 7th guy to the practice squad or you find something else and deal with it.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Yes, in fact you did. You said catches per snap is irrelevant when compared his to awful receivers who are similar.

Isn’t far ahead of the guys we bounced outta here.
KJ Osborne came in with much better production inside to opportunity.

Nope. The stat is irrelevant because it lacks context. His value to a roster is far beyond catches per snap whereas those players like Harry aren't in the league. You don't get that.

It like you don’t think Hollins is a guy you have on your team when you can’t find WRs and think he’s a starting caliber guy. Do you?

Never said Hollins is starting caliber.

 

[Ring 6]

I have no idea what you are trying to say nor am I going to assume it. You lost me with the Harry comparison.

Drop off to whom?

I don't think you can. Until someone on the current camp roster has proven they know the offense, are a reliable receiver, a very good run blocking WR, and can play special teams then we can discuss replacements.

I’ll go slow.

A good metric to judge or compare receivers is how many passes they catch given equal opportunities. (i e per snap).
The job of a WR is to catch passes, so if 2 different guys each okayed 100 snaps, how many catches they made from those 100 is an important metric to evaluate their okay.
I don’t think anyone would argue that.

Hollins catch per snap is awful. In a lot of playing time he doesn’t carch a lot of passes. He doesn’t produce commensurate with his opportunities, pretty clearly indicating he doesn’t get open very well.

If we look at those numbers, shockingly they are a little bit worse than the bust NKeal Harry. In other words if you put both of them on the field while Harry sucked at getting open and making catches, he was slightly better than Hollins.

Thornton was about the same as Hollins, a little worse. KJ Osborne was a lot better.

I randomly picked those 3 guys to see how he compare to suck and it wasn’t pretty.

Drop off to whoever is next. If you keep a young developing guy who may not be ready, the drop off is still minimal.


So you can’t tell me what you expect Hollins to contribute?
There are many other WRs in camp beyond the first 4. Some may be better options today, those that aren’t wouldn’t be much of a downgrade, and you would do that because they may have a future.
Bourne
Chism
Polk
Baker
Jiles
Webb

All have a better chance of being here and contributing in 26 and 27 and beyond than Hollins.

If you perceive a dropoff from him to them, the question is how much dropoff are you trading for more future.
I think the dropoff to any of them is miniscule, because Hollins should t. R getting any snaps to start with.

We can play a defensive player instead of him for the one ST unit that his 20% participation comes from.

 

[Ring 6]

Nope. The stat is irrelevant because it lacks context. His value to a roster is far beyond catches per snap whereas those players like Harry aren't in the league. You don't get that.

Never said Hollins is starting caliber.

He’s a wide receiver. What value does he have beyond being a wide receiver? Don’t give me special teams he plays 20% of the snaps and isn’t more than mediocre at it.

So when you are evaluating the quality of WRs and you see that one WR played 700 snaps and only caught 30 passes and another played 600 and caught 50, you find that data irrelevant?
Ok you don’t want to be serious.

 

[Steve102]

 

[n1997y]

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After that Chism is starting to come on, Baker hasn't shown much but does seem to be getting interest from Vrabel that is at least worth noting. And Bourne and Polk are hurt and hard to factor in due to it but still remains the possibility that the coaches like them for now I'm kind of writing them off but wouldn't be shocked if the coaches think different.

I can't state it enough this is still very wide open and there are tons of nuances that will play into it and we just can't possibly have enough information to determine this. Any number of combinations can still play out.

Baker has been frequently mentioned for noteworthy plays in reports from training camp. My impression is that reporters agree he’s shown a good bit, or they wouldn’t be reporting on him so much.

 

[rkarp1]

Baker has been frequently mentioned for noteworthy plays in reports from training camp. My impression is that reporters agree he’s shown a good bit, or they wouldn’t be reporting on him so much.

I think when they go out in practice, mostly vanilla, athlete against athlete, Baker will mostly look great.
when the team puts in a week over week game plan, can he maintain his roster spot? apparently, last year, he struggled.

 

[TommyD4207]

 

[Steve102]

I'm not entering into it.

 

[TommyD4207]

I'm not entering into it.

 

[Steve102]

 

[n1997y]

I think when they go out in practice, mostly vanilla, athlete against athlete, Baker will mostly look great.
when the team puts in a week over week game plan, can he maintain his roster spot? apparently, last year, he struggled.

We will have to see how this year goes compared to last year. Same player, totally different coaching.

 

[WhatJustHappened]

But you said that when NE signed Diggs and drafted Williams that Hollins was out.

Diggs, Douglas, Williams, ?

You said that 32 yesr old WRs don't make a WR4.

Pretty sure Hollins and Gizzum make the 53

 

[Wozzy]

Baker had Zero catches in a preseason game against scrubs.

You just told me that Baker has been on a Upward Trajectory in camp and that the NE defense is way better than Washington's.

What happened?

You're real good at dreaming up excuses.

Oops he did it again… these reports suck for you guys.