PATRIOTS TRAINING CAMP Training Camp Day 5 - July 28

[Ross12]

The point is team runs a guy from the slot on most offensive plays. If you have a great slot guy you keep him there. If you don’t you put guys in motion and maybe an outside guy runs a route from the slot. So most teams use a slot on most plays, whether the guy is designated as a slot makes no difference. You think few teams would be interested even if he shows out in preseason, I think the opposite. They are both opinions.

Well yeah if he shows out in preseason then that’s another story. I’m talking about based on what we have seen and know today. Few teams would be very eager to dump one of their current top 53 to claim him. But any guy who kills it in preseason action becomes a claim risk.

 

[Ring 6]

understood, but not sure why you think that. 11 personnel is the base offense for most teams in the league. Of the top 30 wide receivers in receiving yardage in 2024, 22 ran at least 25 percent of their snaps out of the slot. Cooper Kupp, St Brown...etc Lamb ran 50% of his routes from the slot last year. Wether or not Chism can be an effective slot guy is TBD, but if so, he would have many suitors if we tried to sneak him through waivers.

Your facts actually contradict your data. The fact that teams will use every receiver from the slot, typically to prevent jams, diminishes the need for a guy who can’t only run “slot receiver routes” effectively. Those guys you are talking about aren’t running WRs Welker routes

 

[DoubleDeluxe]

Well yeah if he shows out in preseason then that’s another story. I’m talking about based on what we have seen and know today. Few teams would be very eager to dump one of their current top 53 to claim him. But any guy who kills it in preseason action becomes a claim risk.

Agreed. As of right now he’s shown nothing and would probably be a safe bet with a quiet preseason to make it to the PS. He was a highly sought after FA, so teams had him on their radar. A couple of injuries or poor play by some of the WRs on those teams, and I’m sure their Pro Scouting Dept will focus in again.

 

[Ring 6]

Agreed. As of right now he’s shown nothing and would probably be a safe bet with a quiet preseason to make it to the PS. He was a highly sought after FA, so teams had him on their radar. A couple of injuries or poor play by some of the WRs on those teams, and I’m sure their Pro Scouting Dept will focus in again.

There is an enormous gap between “sought after undated free agent” and signed to 53 man roster. There were 32 drafted WRs. When you add those to all the WRs who were on rosters, on practice squads or our either injury last year there are less jobs than qualified guys. Being one of the best who wasn’t good enough to be drafted isn’t all that attractive. Remember to claim him off waivers a team would need to cut a guy they are invested in who made their roster and knows their system. Very long odds.

 

[Family]

I don't think that determination can be made at this point. We don't know enough about Effin Chism right now.

Nearly every team has a development WR who looks good at this stage.

Chism went undrafted, which means that every team had a shot at him the the 7th round. And the Pats are not known as a team with great WR's.

On top of this last year only 1 WR was claimed off waivers in the final cut down, and that player, Grant Dubose, was not a rookie.

The odds of you being right, unless Chism goes wild in preseason are greatly against you.

Chism is highly likely a safe cut to develop on the practice squad.

 

[PatsFan2]

Diggs, Demario are the best WR’s they have. Boutte takes the other outside spot because he’s consistent and Maye likes him… but they really want Williams to take that spot.

Bourne is what he is, he’ll have to stay healthy and play special teams to earn a role… you’re correct, McD knows what he is.

Bourne doesn't play on ST's.

 

[PatsFan2]

He will clear waivers.
There are dozens of WRs who get cut that are better prosoects

I wouldn't be so quick to say that AJ: knowing our current OC: Two decent Slot WR are better than one.

Diggs - Boutte - Douglas - K Williams - Chism and maybe Polk are Strong possibilities. I think we are carrying Six WR's; Bourne and Hollins on the outside looking in. I prefer rolling with the young guys; and hope McDaniels does too.

 

[PatsFan2]

Nearly every team has a development WR who looks good at this stage.

Chism went undrafted, which means that every team had a shot at him the the 7th round. And the Pats are not known as a team with great WR's.

On top of this last year only 1 WR was claimed off waivers in the final cut down, and that player, Grant Dubose, was not a rookie.

The odds of you being right, unless Chism goes wild in preseason are greatly against you.

Chism is highly likely a safe cut to develop on the practice squad.

That means nothing Family: his pedestrian 40 time is why he went undrafted: Chism doesn't look slow on tape or in Practice.

 

[PatsFan2]

Seems fair. Baker can push Polk for that last spot. Bourne is basically “one of our planned starters gets hurt” insurance. If all goes as expected then I’d say it’s most likely that Polk is the sixth on the roster, Bourne gets traded for a 6th, and Baker & Chism both go to the PS. Perhaps Bourne also makes it in place of Hollins if Hollins’ injury lingers and he starts the year on IR.

I could see some team like Houston claiming Chism, since Ben McDaniels is the WR coach, they like to feature the slot WR too and their guys are banged up or signed elsewhere (such as Diggs), but otherwise he’s probably safe unless he really explodes in preseason action. A lot of teams don’t really use the slot to the degree McDaniels does.

Houston have a Ton or WRs and and Drafted the Duo from Iowa State Jayden Higgins and Noel; plus they have C Kirk and John Metchie III.

 

[Ring 6]

I wouldn't be so quick to say that AJ: knowing our current OC: Two decent Slot WR are better than one.

Diggs - Boutte - Douglas - K Williams - Chism and maybe Polk are Strong possibilities. I think we are carrying Six WR's; Bourne and Hollins on the outside looking in. I prefer rolling with the young guys; an hope McDaniels does too.

I prefer rolling with good guys.

 

[PatsFan2]

I prefer rolling with good guys.

Vrabel already made the room very competitive... we know who the Locks are. Diggs - Douglas - Williams and Boutte. Now from the rest Bourne - Chism - Polk - Baker and Hollins. Chism is making the most noise: Polk made a nice entrance; hope he keeps it up. IF I was Mack Hollins I would be very worried.

 

[Family]

That means nothing Family: his pedestrian 40 time is why he went undrafted: Chism doesn't look slow on tape or in Practice.

What you're saying means nothing unless Chism is a complete utter beast in preseason. What team is going to want an undrafted rookie WR who has missed the entire first season training camp with that team?

Last year two undrafted rookie WR's stuck on opening day rosters in the entire NFL, and it was with the original team who signed them. In fact over the last 5 years, AI says that only one undrafted WR FA was cut and picked up by a different team in the manner you are saying.

WR is not the same as other positions. Few WR's contribute the first season let alone an undrafted one on a new team.

This is almost a ridiculous discussion given history. Of course anything can happen, but if Chism is cut and picked up by another team, it will be rarer than a blue moon.

 

[PatsFan2]

What you're saying means nothing unless Chism is a complete utter beast in preseason. What team is going to want an undrafted rookie WR who has missed the entire first season training camp with that team?

Last year two undrafted rookie WR's stuck on opening day rosters in the entire NFL, and it was with the original team who signed them. In fact over the last 5 years, AI says that only one undrafted WR FA was cut and picked up by a different team in the manner you are saying.

WR is not the same as other positions. Few WR's contribute the first season let alone an undrafted one on a new team.

This is almost a ridiculous discussion given history. Of course anything can happen, but if Chism is cut and picked up by another team, it will be rarer than a blue moon.

Chism is running with the Second Team and it's said he's been uncoverable. We'll see and know more as the Preseason goes on.; I like what Chism potentially brings to the table from the Slot.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

What you're saying means nothing unless Chism is a complete utter beast in preseason. What team is going to want an undrafted rookie WR who has missed the entire first season training camp with that team?

Last year two undrafted rookie WR's stuck on opening day rosters in the entire NFL, and it was with the original team who signed them. In fact over the last 5 years, AI says that only one undrafted WR FA was cut and picked up by a different team in the manner you are saying.

WR is not the same as other positions. Few WR's contribute the first season let alone an undrafted one on a new team.

This is almost a ridiculous discussion given history. Of course anything can happen, but if Chism is cut and picked up by another team, it will be rarer than a blue moon.

It is tough to reason with Chism's Mom.

 

[Family]

Chism is running with the Second Team and it's said he's been uncoverable. We'll see and know more as the Preseason goes on.; I like what Chism potentially brings to the table from the Slot.

Again if all this is true, history shows Chism is a safe cut, leaving the team to keep another player who will really help now.

Looking uncoverable against second stringers is not going to get Chism claimed.

 

[PatsFan2]

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It is tough to reason with Chism's Mom.

Efton Chism broke Cooper Kupp's record for most receptions in a single season in college, with 120 catches.

McDaniels have something to work with; Wes Welker went Undrafted FTR.

 

[Ring 6]

Vrabel already made the room very competitive... we know who the Locks are. Diggs - Douglas - Williams and Boutte. Now from the rest Bourne - Chism - Polk - Baker and Hollins. Chism is making the most noise: Polk made a nice entrance; hope he keeps it up. IF I was Mack Hollins I would be very worried.

What noise?

Hollins is safe if he is healthy because he has a role due to his blocking and special teams play.
Chism beating out all of Polk, Bourne, Baker and maybe Hollins if they keep only 5 to end up being inactive is a long shot. I think he has a pretty good chance to make the practice squad though.

 

[Ring 6]

Chism is running with the Second Team and it's said he's been uncoverable. We'll see and know more as the Preseason goes on.; I like what Chism potentially brings to the table from the Slot.

Uncoverable lol

 

[Ring 6]

McDaniels have something to work with; Wes Welker went Undrafted FTR.

So did a thousand other WRs you never heard of

 

[Family]

Wes Welker went Undrafted FTR.

Welker was cut again after the first game, and passed through waivers to another team.

So even in your 20 year old example with one of the best slot receivers of his day, the Patriots still would have had a shot to get Welker back.