Patriots Redzone offense...oh boy...

[signbabybrady]

Agree. Hollins is not a #1, he is a complimentary WR. But he is also a lock, baring injury, to make the 53.

And he still seems a little dinged from last year. 2 weeks from training camp and wasn't a participant in Drake's passing session/water activities.

 

[Real fan 02]

The OL has added a top 4 pick, replaced RT and added a center.

We Added Diggs and Williams to the WR room.

And drafted a top RB.

It would seem like they made a giant leap in talent to me. That's replacing 4 of 11 starters and 2 skill players that might not start but should have significant roles.

Spot on, as you always are.

The primary problem post TB12, OL protection and QB.

Upgraded at both positions. Add in a all pro who played in an integral part of Josh Allens development. Drafted an all purpose back in Henderson as well and another great pick in Williams. The mere presence of Diggs who looks even better than I've ever seen him will pay huge dividends for Drake and the other WRs. Diggs is an excellent red zone player also.

 

[State]

Hunter Henry going to have a career year. Wish we had a talented young guy in the mix. Henry is Maye’s security blanket. Austin Hooper is a good TE2.

But aren’t both 31 when the season starts? Those bumps and bruises take an extra day or two to heal than when they were 23.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

And he still seems a little dinged from last year. 2 weeks from training camp and wasn't a participant in Drake's passing session/water activities.

I sent you Hollins' videos lifting and working out. You didn't see the videos or can not change your schtick even when there is evidence to the contrary? Diggs was at the passing camp, and he is obviously not 100%, so nothing is definitive at this point.

 

[n1997y]

This guy looks injured to you? I am lost. You are talking about Hollins? Hollins is a lock to make the 53. He is our strongest, best blocking, and tallest WR. Think RZ where Pats were nearly last in 2024. His best year was in LV with Josh. Josh signed Hollins early on because he loves him.

Watch: Patriots newcomer WR shows off unreal strength in weight room

New England Patriots wide receiver Mack Hollins showed off serious strength in the weight room in his latest workout video.

patriotswire.usatoday.com

Why didn't he practice all spring is all I'm saying

Your right One he is a big, strong good blocking WR and red zone target. But he hasn't participated in all OTA or mini camp practices. He's been around the team and locker room. He had a shoulder injury late last season in Buffalo and couldn't be related to that. So we'll see next week when camp starts. If he's ready to go great, if not then he'll be on PUP likely.

If you read the article that goes with Hollins showing off his strength it says he traveled to Australia to work with some particular trainer. IIRC I read something previously about him working with a trainer that traveled up from Australia in the past to work with him. So perhaps the reason he wasn’t doing the spring workouts and group get-together is because he was in Australia, or had some sessions booked with his trainer that couldn’t be changed.

He’s an experienced professional. He knows what he’s doing, better than we do. I wouldn’t worry about it.

 

[Real fan 02]

If you read the article that goes with Hollins showing off his strength it says he traveled to Australia to work with some particular trainer. IIRC I read something previously about him working with a trainer that traveled up from Australia in the past to work with him. So perhaps the reason he wasn’t doing the spring workouts and group get-together is because he was in Australia, or had some sessions booked with his trainer that couldn’t be changed.

He’s an experienced professional. He knows what he’s doing, better than we do. I wouldn’t worry about it.

He's been at team meetings, practices and mini camp. He hasn't been able to physically participate. For example diggs trained over seas as well is is coming off an ACL.. he's been able to practice and participate with Drake as well in north Carolina. Hollins is big strong guy you like him on your team. He's a nice complimentary player, and good locker room guy.

 

[Real fan 02]

I sent you Hollins' videos lifting and working out. You didn't see the videos or can not change your schtick even when there is evidence to the contrary? Diggs was at the passing camp, and he is obviously not 100%, so nothing is definitive at this point.

He's strong as an ox, that's very impressive. Hope it helps him get on the field. We'll need that brute strength to block in the red area.

 

[Real fan 02]

Hunter Henry going to have a career year. Wish we had a talented young guy in the mix. Henry is Maye’s security blanket. Austin Hooper is a good TE2.

But aren’t both 31 when the season starts? Those bumps and bruises take an extra day or two to heal than when they were 23.

I have high hopes for Jaheim Bell, keep in mind he was the other TE recently with Drake in North Carolina and all the other WR's. Josh could really unlock bells abilities.

 

[captain stone]

Are we discounting the impact of bringing back McDaniels??
A very close second to the lack of talent is the lack of unimaginative and unpredictable offense play and play calling.
Anticipate Josh will do enough to at least make the offense fun and interesting to watch again.

His play-calling has at times in the past also been predictable; but to me what McD will bring to the team will be his ability to teach offensive football and to call plays that he knows his players have an actual decent chance of executing... Too many times last year I saw them trying to run plays that had no ****ing hope at all of working...

 

[Clonamery]

I have high hopes for Jaheim Bell, keep in mind he was the other TE recently with Drake in North Carolina and all the other WR's. Josh could really unlock bells abilities.

meh. I have high hopes my 6.36 inch **** will someday be 8. Oh wait, I'm an old dude, it's just gravity. At least you have a strong imagination ("the other TE" lol).

 

[Real fan 02]

meh. I have high hopes my 6.36 inch **** will someday be 8. Oh wait, I'm an old dude, it's just gravity. At least you have a strong imagination ("the other TE" lol).

Hey 6.36 isn't bad... LOL.. let's remember this is top notch coaching staff.. not the remember that favor you owe me staff under BB or the YMCA who wants to be a volunteer staff like last season.. Bell has a real chance to get some snaps with hopper starting camp on NFI/PUP. So yeah.. let's hope he takes advantage of his opportunity behind Henry.

 

[Clonamery]

Hey 6.36 isn't bad... LOL.. let's remember this is top notch coaching staff.. not the remember that favor you owe me staff under BB or the YMCA who wants to be a volunteer staff like last season.. Bell has a real chance to get some snaps with hopper starting camp on NFI/PUP. So yeah.. let's hope he takes advantage of his opportunity behind Henry.

Hopper is a painter, Hooper is a TE. Bell has to worry more about Dippre.

 

[Real fan 02]

Hopper is a painter, Hooper is a TE. Bell has to worry more about Dippre.

Hooper* .. would be nice for Bell to carve out a role because Hooper and Henry are older players.

 

[VJCPatriot]

We've been essentially rebuilding since 2019.. had a fake rebuild year in 2021 under Mac. This team is redirected not rebuilt IMO.. You bring back 2 men with championship pedigree and intimate knowledge of how to build a contender.

I agree they will need time to gel. What i saw from Vrabel is he wants the team to continue to put in the hard work behind the scenes so game days are easy.

We had like 7 ones score losses last season.. under Mayo who led a dysfunctional team. Vrabel wins at least 5 of those. I expect them on week 1 to hit the ground running hard to set the tone and the standards for the Mike vrabel led patriots.

I think expectations are still too high if you think the Patriots are winning 10 games this season.

The Patriots lost most of their games because of talent deficiency. The bad coaching was just the glaring turd on top of the poop sandwich.

How much of that talent deficiency has been fixed is yet to be seen.

Coaching should be better that's a given. But that doesn't guarantee us +6 wins from a very bad team last year that honestly should have finished with the worst record in the league if it were not for Mayo's braindead anti-tank game.

Buffalo gladly assisted us in our misery by subbing in their 3rd string QB to give us a dumb win that actually made our future worse. Imagine on draft day being in position to trade up or down from the 1st overall selection in each round? Well we're moving on from that but I think the point is clear. We pretty much deserved to finish dead last in the NFL last year but Buffalo gave us a bone because they didn't need to win for playoff seeding.

 

[VJCPatriot]

Hunter Henry going to have a career year. Wish we had a talented young guy in the mix. Henry is Maye’s security blanket. Austin Hooper is a good TE2.

But aren’t both 31 when the season starts? Those bumps and bruises take an extra day or two to heal than when they were 23.

TE needs to be addressed in future drafts. But let's see how the current draft panned out first. Some will be hits and some will be misses. Everything will need to be re-evaluated after the season is over.

For now Henry is a reliable option for Drake Maye. Let's see if the OL can step up its game. Let's see if the WRs can get open and pick up Josh McDaniel's system. And that's not a given because the option routes requires intelligence and judgment by both the WRs and the QB.

 

[TommyD4207]

TE needs to be addressed in future drafts. But let's see how the current draft panned out first. Some will be hits and some will be misses. Everything will need to be re-evaluated after the season is over.

For now Henry is a reliable option for Drake Maye. Let's see if the OL can step up its game. Let's see if the WRs can get open and pick up Josh McDaniel's system. And that's not a given because the option routes requires intelligence and judgment by both the WRs and the QB.

It will be I'm sure. This wasn't a great TE draft by any means.

 

[Real fan 02]

I think expectations are still too high if you think the Patriots are winning 10 games this season.

The Patriots lost most of their games because of talent deficiency. The bad coaching was just the glaring turd on top of the poop sandwich.

How much of that talent deficiency has been fixed is yet to be seen.

Coaching should be better that's a given. But that doesn't guarantee us +6 wins from a very bad team last year that honestly should have finished with the worst record in the league if it were not for Mayo's braindead anti-tank game.

Buffalo gladly assisted us in our misery by subbing in their 3rd string QB to give us a dumb win that actually made our future worse. Imagine on draft day being in position to trade up or down from the 1st overall selection in each round? Well we're moving on from that but I think the point is clear. We pretty much deserved to finish dead last in the NFL last year but Buffalo gave us a bone because they didn't need to win for playoff seeding.

Our issue last few seasons were primarily QB, OL, and yes coaching too!

Vrabel =upgrade
Drake=upgrade
Roster =upgrade

Keep in mind.. we lost 7, one-score games last season primarily due to coaching. Vrabel wins at least 5 of them. Mayo was a despondent coach on the sidelines.. do you think Vrabel allows his team to be ran on 17 times in a row? And the DC have a job the next week? I for one underestimated last season the just how much coaching matters in the league. I'll never make that mistake again.

So while I understand your cautions you have to look at the real problems this team, and furthermore organization has had. Most of them self inflicted.

 

[State]

TE will be the LT heading into next year’s draft. And watch the offense sputtered, esp in the red zone, if old man Henry is hampered by injury. He’s Maye’s best bud and security blanket. Should have a career year.

 

[pazrul72]

I think expectations are still too high if you think the Patriots are winning 10 games this season.

The Patriots lost most of their games because of talent deficiency. The bad coaching was just the glaring turd on top of the poop sandwich.

How much of that talent deficiency has been fixed is yet to be seen.

Coaching should be better that's a given. But that doesn't guarantee us +6 wins from a very bad team last year that honestly should have finished with the worst record in the league if it were not for Mayo's braindead anti-tank game.

Buffalo gladly assisted us in our misery by subbing in their 3rd string QB to give us a dumb win that actually made our future worse. Imagine on draft day being in position to trade up or down from the 1st overall selection in each round? Well we're moving on from that but I think the point is clear. We pretty much deserved to finish dead last in the NFL last year but Buffalo gave us a bone because they didn't need to win for playoff seeding.

I think there are a couple things that lead to the 9 or 10 win expectations, better coaching, weak schedule, spent a ton in FA, but the number one thing for me is the offensive line. Now they didn't add any All Pros, nor do I believe Will Campbell is the next Orlando Pace but they did add smart competent starters to the worst Oline I've ever seen. The amount of times stunts, blitzes, and twists got home or had 1 guy being blocked by 3 was frankly disturbing and high school level at best. The most recent forged in foxboro episode has just reinforced my opinion the offensive line will be competent at worst compared to the flaming dumpster fire that was last year. That alone, just going from all time awful to say 20th best in the league will make a HUGE difference in wins, like +5 IMO. Assuming health of course, to be fair to last year they were hiring guys off the street to start that week at points due to injuries.

 

[Ring 6]

I think expectations are still too high if you think the Patriots are winning 10 games this season.

The Patriots lost most of their games because of talent deficiency. The bad coaching was just the glaring turd on top of the poop sandwich.

How much of that talent deficiency has been fixed is yet to be seen.

Coaching should be better that's a given. But that doesn't guarantee us +6 wins from a very bad team last year that honestly should have finished with the worst record in the league if it were not for Mayo's braindead anti-tank game.

Buffalo gladly assisted us in our misery by subbing in their 3rd string QB to give us a dumb win that actually made our future worse. Imagine on draft day being in position to trade up or down from the 1st overall selection in each round? Well we're moving on from that but I think the point is clear. We pretty much deserved to finish dead last in the NFL last year but Buffalo gave us a bone because they didn't need to win for playoff seeding.

The coaching was THAT bad. We lost games before they started.
We have replaced and upgraded half of the starters. We lost no one of consequence. We added a lot of depth players and move former poor starters into reserve roles where they are at least capable. The talent level on this team is night and day different from last year. And the most important measure of the talent level of a football team is the 2-3 best players they put on the field but the 2-3 worst. Bad players hurt a team much more than good players help it.
We have 8 games against teams who won 5 or fewer games. The level of improvement needed to win those 8 is not drastic.
I can’t imagine why you would want to have expectations lower than 10 wins. If the coach was the right hire, the qb is anywhere near what we think he is and the off season moves were fairly successful anything less would be a major failure.